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An ALMIGHTY God, The Creator... call it Allah, Jehovah, Ram, Boj (or by any other name) is not PETTY enough to expect anything from meagre Humans, who are no better than Animals in their crude form.
Dervash, I've been wanting to engage someone from a muslim perspective in a conversation. I haven't found anyone. I'm quite inexperienced about the topic and would like to learn more. A lot of what I have read have either been propoganda, or simply wikipedia type descriptions. May I?

One of my big questions: In the muslim perspective of God, what is God's motivation for paying any mind to humans?
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....what is God's motivation for paying any mind to humans?
Yeah Dervaish fire that iphone and launch igod communication software.
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All religions are GOOD.
What, including Satanism?
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I would not stake my savings account on it, but I think Mr Advocate is just happy to see Mr Phos has posted again after a long hiatus and is anticipating a renewal of activity in the God vs. Atheism debate.
I see that my premonition has indeed materialised even beyond my expectation. The active participation of a Muslim party (represented by Mr Dervaish) was indeed not anticipated. He is a welcome addition to the debate and I look forward to perusing his contributions to learn more about his Weltanschauung vs. that of the usual suspects.

I am now comfortably seated in my armchair with a jar of pickles and a box of crackers on my left and copies of the respective Holy Books on my right (I take it I will not be needing the Book of Mormons or the Tao-te-ching).

Gentlemen, please proceed. You have my full attention.
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I see, monsieur Rustygraben wants to be entertained on this lovely Saturday morning

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I see that my premonition has indeed materialised even beyond my expectation. The active participation of a Muslim party (represented by Mr Dervaish) was indeed not anticipated. He is a welcome addition to the debate and I look forward to perusing his contributions to learn more about his Weltanschauung vs. that of the usual suspects.

I am now comfortably seated in my armchair with a jar of pickles and a box of crackers on my left and copies of the respective Holy Books on my right (I take it I will not be needing the Book of Mormons or the Tao-te-ching).

Gentlemen, please proceed. You have my full attention.
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I see that my premonition has indeed materialised even beyond my expectation. The active participation of a Muslim party (represented by Mr Dervaish) was indeed not anticipated. He is a welcome addition to the debate and I look forward to perusing his contributions to learn more about his Weltanschauung vs. that of the usual suspects.

I am now comfortably seated in my armchair with a jar of pickles and a box of crackers on my left and copies of the respective Holy Books on my right (I take it I will not be needing the Book of Mormons or the Tao-te-ching).

Gentlemen, please proceed. You have my full attention.
What?

You are not fasting?

To answer to someone about religion behing all good, I will agree with it. But the problem is not the religion, is what the men do with it, or did to it.
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What?

You are not fasting?

To answer to someone about religion behing all good, I will agree with it. But the problem is not the religion, is what the men do with it, or did to it.
Well man created religion

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Old 23.08.2009, 10:48
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I cannot actually see the sense on starving and dehydrating yourself all day and then getting up at some uneartlhy hour to binge.

Perhaps someone here can tell me the purpose of this and surely this is not what Alla would expect?
This is not restricted to Islam, Hindus too follow an umpteen number of rituals/fasts too, I think it has some historical roots particular to that region, but no longer relevant in the modern world.

See, just a century ago, food was scarce especially in those Asian regions, only the top 10% could indulge in meats and sweets on regular basis, and finding sufficient calories to survive was the goal of life. So for the working class, perhaps there was incentive to train their bodies to work at lower metabolism i.e. make the body more "efficient", but of course this would come at the cost of lower overall health and longevity. Now fasting and skipping meals is an excellent way to train your body to eat less without losing precious body weight.

A famous proverb in my native Indian language says "The one who eats thrice a day is a Rogi (diseased person); the one who eats twice a day is Bhogi (a sinful carnal pleasure-seeker), the one who eats once a day is a Yogi (the austere one)."

Now what will happen if these practices are applied to modern man living in cities whose diet is full of sugars and processed foods, meats etc and leads a sedentary life...who should rather be focusing on how to burn calories faster than he is eating?



That is where all these quacky diets and weightloss market comes in, subject of other EF debates
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See, just a century ago, food was scarce especially in those Asian regions,
I don't think I agree that fasting in hinduism is about food scarcity and conservation. I know its a yogic practice for the disciplining and balancing of the mind and body.
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Old 23.08.2009, 11:10
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I don't think I agree that fasting in hinduism is about food scarcity and conservation. I know its a yogic practice for the disciplining and balancing of the mind and body.
Sure, everone is entitled to their own thoughts, just as I am to mine
As for me, I am happier eating 5 meals a day, but you can eat once a day and be yogic

I think Hinduisim, as with most religions, used religious stories to scare people into doing what was desirable for survival in those days.

Why is eating cows a sin for Hindus? Simply because an alive cow was so much more useful, with milk, dung, even its uring used for so many purposes, and but for the religious scare, poor hungry people would be tempted to eat cows just like they stole neighbours' chicken and ate them . Religion as a deterrent. Same principle applies for keeping so many vegetarian days, bathing etc.
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Old 23.08.2009, 12:05
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This is terriible! Can't we all just decide whether to have respect for ideas based on their individual merits? Do we really have to have our considered opinions relocated? This is a forum for discussion of ideas and philosophies is it not? Why is Islam given protection over other ideas? I understand "off topic" is "off topic", but the motive of "respect for Islam" is clearly stated and I find enforced respect (whereby I am prcluded from criticising) offensive.
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Old 23.08.2009, 12:22
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This is terriible! Can't we all just decide whether to have respect for ideas based on their individual merits? Do we really have to have our considered opinions relocated? This is a forum for discussion of ideas and philosophies is it not? Why is Islam given protection over other ideas? I understand "off topic" is "off topic", but the motive of "respect for Islam" is clearly stated and I find enforced respect (whereby I am prcluded from criticising) offensive.
I moved the posts out of the thread because they were off topic to the original theme.

Also, out of respect, I don't think that religions should be trashed in the same post as a celebratory message of that religion. I"d have said out of respect for (insert religion here) based on (insert holiday theme post here). Nothing specific about Islam, except that happened to be the original subject.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of any organized religion, nor do I hold any as off limits to discussion. But everything has a time and place, so this new thread is the place for discussion of ideas and opinions on religion.
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Re: Religious Musings

I have been in Ramadhan in Muslim countries and here are my honest observations:

- People are quite sleepy and even lazier than usual
- They work fewer hours, and less efficient. Some industries, tourism,... suffer.
- No talk about smell of mouths!
-Food consumption goes up, so often the prices
- more sickness and hospitalization, as mentioned before
- Too much eating in the evening, while body is not made for that, so more gain in weights.
- Body clock suffers
-Many fast simply because it is impossible or very hard to find food if you work outside home
-Non-religious suffer a lot
- I heard of some arrests of smokers in public
-Believe me but I saw a young 21 year old dying of it! he was a shy slim person living with father(his mother was dead) near where i was staying. He was fasting and going to university. He got stomach bleeding and then faint at home, and until his father noticed it, his blood pressure was too low, so he died an hour later in hospital! quite sad story. God didn't help him at all, at least in this life.
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I moved the posts out of the thread because they were off topic to the original theme.
Fair enough.

economisto: I wouldn't have posted in the original thread what I have posted in this thread. Can you now see evilshell is actually promoting free exchange of thoughts and considered opinions
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The more appropriate Question would be.. Do you believe in God, Religion, Hereafter, Heaven and Hell?

Or even, does Heaven and Hell exist and Why?
The bad luck I have had over the last three years, how could I possibly believe in God, or if he exists he is a total sadist

I'm opting for hell; its warmer and most of my mates will be there.
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The bad luck I have had over the last three years, how could I possibly believe in God, or if he exists he is a total sadist

I'm opting for hell, its warmer and most of my mates will be there
But if you have internet access, please continue to post on EF, we would like to hear your new experiences there

Nothing against any particular religion, each has its own share of comical tales, but something came to my mind when you mentioned hell and heavan and mates.

The Muslim belief (only for males, a tard sexist if you ask me) is that they will get to bed 40 virgins if they make it to heavan. Both the Jehadis and the Army soldiers who are fighting the Jehadis believe they will land in heavan, so they feel it is worth losing their earthly lives.

I haven't even touched upon the logistical angle of supplying that many virgins at heavan, or from the perspective of the 40 virgins, how they like the idea of being deflowered by a former terrorist

But so many people believe in religion and hell and heavan, so it must be true
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Re: Sawm of Ramadan ( 2009 )

God works in mysterious ways. I will let you in on a secret....god committed suicide long time ago
Don't say that god would never do that because you guys just don't have the mental capacity to understand how he works Anyway he is dead and gone forever. RIP dear god!

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God works in mysterious ways. I will let you in on a secret....god committed suicide long time ago
Don't say that god would never do that because you guys just don't have the mental capacity to understand how he works Anyway he is dead and gone forever. RIP dear god!

Yeah that would be putting it mildly
Sheeesh! This is sacrilege, you are taking things too far with this. Don't you know it is always God, with Capital G? It is a mark of respect. And it only increases if you are talking of a departed soul.
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But if you have internet access, please continue to post on EF, we would like to hear your new experiences there

Nothing against any particular religion, each has its own share of comical tales, but something came to my mind when you mentioned hell and heavan and mates.

The Muslim belief (only for males, a tard sexist if you ask me) is that they will get to bed 40 virgins if they make it to heavan. Both the Jehadis and the Army soldiers who are fighting the Jehadis believe they will land in heavan, so they feel it is worth losing their earthly lives.

I haven't even touched upon the logistical angle of supplying that many virgins at heavan, or from the perspective of the 40 virgins, how they like the idea of being deflowered by a former terrorist

But so many people believe in religion and hell and heavan, so it must be true
I just don't get the virgins aspect....as the great Billy Connolly says "the thought of all those virgins isn't a prize its a punishment...give me two fire-breathing whores any day of the week!"
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But if you have internet access, please continue to post on EF, we would like to hear your new experiences there

Nothing against any particular religion, each has its own share of comical tales, but something came to my mind when you mentioned hell and heavan and mates.

The Muslim belief (only for males, a tard sexist if you ask me) is that they will get to bed 40 virgins if they make it to heavan. Both the Jehadis and the Army soldiers who are fighting the Jehadis believe they will land in heavan, so they feel it is worth losing their earthly lives.

I haven't even touched upon the logistical angle of supplying that many virgins at heavan, or from the perspective of the 40 virgins, how they like the idea of being deflowered by a former terrorist

But so many people believe in religion and hell and heavan, so it must be true
I never understood the virgin appeal. What man wants to have 40 inexperienced women? Hopefully they all come with a copy of the Kama Sutra. Considering the mindset of the men who believe in this, they probably would need the book, too.

Sexism in organized religion is another thing that gets to me.
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