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Old 23.08.2009, 13:58
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I never understood the virgin appeal. What man wants to have 40 inexperienced women? Hopefully they all come with a copy of the Kama Sutra. Considering the mindset of the men who believe in this, they probably would need the book, too.
Hinduisim has more evolved thoughts in this department. Instead of using nameless faceless 40 virgins, they have a set of top class whores employed in the heavans, who have exclusive training in the various aspects of love-making, They have class (they have done it with none less than the King of Gods himself), they have wide experiece, and they come with the added advatage that they never grow old. What a combination

That is why I became a devout Hindu

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I never understood the virgin appeal. What man wants to have 40 inexperienced women? Hopefully they all come with a copy of the Kama Sutra. Considering the mindset of the men who believe in this, they probably would need the book, too.

Sexism in organized religion is another thing that gets to me.
What gets to me even more is women who actually 100% subscribe to the claptrap and then further promote that built in sexism as sign of godly greatness Brain washed goodness!

Btw 2-3 days ago when it was boiling hot in the afternoon I saw an idiot who had his wife covered head to toe in layers of black outfit with just the face showing. He himself was wearing white baggy T-shirt. I really felt like wrapping him up tightly using black bandage Sexist inconsiderate pig! Oh! and she was the one doing all the pushing of the pram and stuff in the heat
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Old 23.08.2009, 14:03
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Hinduisim has more evolved thoughts in this department. Instead of using nameless faceless 40 virgins, they have a set of top class whores employed in the heavans, who have exclusive training in the various aspects of love-making, They have class (they have done it with none less than the King of Gods himself), they have wide experiece, and they come with the added advatage that they never grow old. What a combination

That is why I became a devout Hindu

But I admit this is a sexist set-up too. There is no equivalent service for women who make it to the heavans

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But if you have internet access, please continue to post on EF, we would like to hear your new experiences there

Nothing against any particular religion, each has its own share of comical tales, but something came to my mind when you mentioned hell and heavan and mates.

The Muslim belief (only for males, a tard sexist if you ask me) is that they will get to bed 40 virgins if they make it to heavan. Both the Jehadis and the Army soldiers who are fighting the Jehadis believe they will land in heavan, so they feel it is worth losing their earthly lives.

I haven't even touched upon the logistical angle of supplying that many virgins at heavan, or from the perspective of the 40 virgins, how they like the idea of being deflowered by a former terrorist

But so many people believe in religion and hell and heavan, so it must be true
According to my husband who is a Muslim and a believer, he is always amazed to hear that kind of fairytale and say this is rubbish!
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Old 23.08.2009, 16:51
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According to my husband who is a Muslim and a believer, he is always amazed to hear that kind of fairytale and say this is rubbish!
But he keeps hearing that kind of fairytale, right? That is the point
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According to my husband who is a Muslim and a believer, he is always amazed to hear that kind of fairytale and say this is rubbish!
Aren't all religions fairytale and rubbish anyway? Or is it just the parts that religious people don't like that are fairytale? As with all religions the bottom line is that no god ever told anyone anything. People have just made up and re-interpreted things through out history. Religion is just bunch of lies piled on top of other lies.

Btw is it 40 or 72 virgins? Niranjan you trying to keep 32 horis for yourself as the middleman? Shame in you
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Re: Religious Musings

Religions evolved as a way for man to comprehend what he saw around him.

Think about when you're off in a place and can see the stars without any ambient lighting from the cities. They seem close enough to touch. Thunderstorms, eclipses, earthquakes, mudslides, tornadoes, etc. all must have seemed to come from someone or something pulling the strings.
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Old 23.08.2009, 17:14
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And if asked I am sure you would consider yourself a very open minded and non-prejudicial person ;-)

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Old 23.08.2009, 17:23
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And if asked I am sure you would consider yourself a very open minded and non-prejudicial person ;-)
Sorry, I didn't get the connection of this post to the topic
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Re: Religious Musings

I've worked in a couple of predominately muslim countries on contracts, by and large, I didn't notice ramadam so much in so much as I was respected as someone who wasn't muslim, and wasn't expected to fast.

However, one of my colleagues had a shock in the Gambia when their driver fell asleep at the wheel (during fasting) and drove off the road. Luckily no one was hurt, but does that sort of thing happen often during ramadam?

The Gambia is terribly poor, so night time feasting was not as extravagant as other places.
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You said, religion give advices and not order, but don't some relig. order you to be in hell if you don't take their "suggestions" serious!?
Usually Priests, Mullahs, of each religion, would give you a list of Do's and Dont's and tell you if you follow this You will go to Heaven and if not then will burn in Hell.

But from what I've read and understood, Heaven and Hell is a "Consequence" of an individuals actions, if you believe in Universal Justice and that good actions will bear good fruits and ill deeds would lead to misery... this will be the case. Honest people sleep better, as they usually say (though evil seem to enjoy the waking hours more )

Speaking with Islamic perspective, even Heaven will have different Levels (Higher adn Lower) and Sections... for example a Painter's heaven would not be the same as a Musician's.
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Dervash, I've been wanting to engage someone from a muslim perspective in a conversation. I haven't found anyone. I'm quite inexperienced about the topic and would like to learn more. A lot of what I have read have either been propoganda, or simply wikipedia type descriptions. May I?

One of my big questions: In the muslim perspective of God, what is God's motivation for paying any mind to humans?
I would love to engage in any conversation, even Religion, Got too much mental energy and time to kill...

Too approach the idea of God... you will have 2 options:

1) There was Nothing, there is Nothing and there will be Nothing.

2) There was God and then He Created the Universe and everything etc..

Humans are the last creation of God, after Angels and Jinns which do not have Freewill or Intelligence.

Humans are the Only Creation who posessed both Freewill and Intelligence and God's motivation for Humans was too Create somethng in his own Image and the Purpose of this life is to Define it.
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Btw is it 40 or 72 virgins? Niranjan you trying to keep 32 horis for yourself as the middleman? Shame in you
I quite often here this 40 or even 72 Virgin thing...

Can anyone prove where it says in Islam that?

1) the "number" 40 or 72?
2) the "state" i.e. being virgin
3) the sex i.e. females

Religions are NOT fairytales, people ascribe fairtytales to Religions and then accuse it of being a fairytale!!!
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Old 24.08.2009, 10:33
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I quite often here this 40 or even 72 Virgin thing...

Can anyone prove where it says in Islam that?

1) the "number" 40 or 72?
2) the "state" i.e. being virgin
3) the sex i.e. females

Religions are NOT fairytales, people ascribe fairtytales to Religions and then accuse it of being a fairytale!!!
It unimportant whether something is explicitly written in the scriptures, or mreley passed down by word of mouth. Fact is there are some people who belive this, and that matters.

As an aside, I was wondering what a waste of resource it would be if an ex-terrorist gets 40 virgin girls and he turns out to be gay.

Will people get "straightened" once they reach heavan, or is heavan becoming more liberal in this matter nowadays?
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I have been in Ramadhan in Muslim countries and here are my honest observations:

- People are quite sleepy and even lazier than usual
- They work fewer hours, and less efficient. Some industries, tourism,... suffer.
- No talk about smell of mouths!
-Food consumption goes up, so often the prices
- more sickness and hospitalization, as mentioned before
- Too much eating in the evening, while body is not made for that, so more gain in weights.
- Body clock suffers
-Many fast simply because it is impossible or very hard to find food if you work outside home
-Non-religious suffer a lot
- I heard of some arrests of smokers in public
-Believe me but I saw a young 21 year old dying of it! he was a shy slim person living with father(his mother was dead) near where i was staying. He was fasting and going to university. He got stomach bleeding and then faint at home, and until his father noticed it, his blood pressure was too low, so he died an hour later in hospital! quite sad story. God didn't help him at all, at least in this life.
My observation from being in Bahrain, Egypt and Morocco during Ramadan.

- People are calmer, more reflective and less stressed (inc Cairo cabbies)
- The giving of charity soars, with many people taking food to the mosques for distribution to the poor
- The evenings (after fasting ends) is a colourful, light-filled festival of food and drink
- Women are far less likely to receive unwelcome male attention during this month
- Expats also work fewer hours
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I would love to engage in any conversation, even Religion, Got too much mental energy and time to kill...
People like to say that all religions worship the same God, but under different names. But when investigating the actions and attitudes of the God described in the scripture of the religions, they portray very different personalities. I understand, with PC and all, and man's desire for peace among religions. But Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Christians each paint a different personhood of God.
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The Muslim belief (only for males, a tard sexist if you ask me) is that they will get to bed 40 virgins if they make it to heavan. Both the Jehadis and the Army soldiers who are fighting the Jehadis believe they will land in heavan, so they feel it is worth losing their earthly lives.

I haven't even touched upon the logistical angle of supplying that many virgins at heavan, or from the perspective of the 40 virgins, how they like the idea of being deflowered by a former terrorist
Get your facts right. Dont believe everything mullahs in your country tell you.. I honestly believe Islam is hijacked by these Mullahs and they add new things in the religion all the time. Trust me it doesnt say anywhere in Quran that faithfuls a allotted 40 virgins apiece...
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It unimportant whether something is explicitly written in the scriptures, or mreley passed down by word of mouth. Fact is there are some people who belive this, and that matters.

As an aside, I was wondering what a waste of resource it would be if an ex-terrorist gets 40 virgin girls and he turns out to be gay.

Will people get "straightened" once they reach heavan, or is heavan becoming more liberal in this matter nowadays?

Don't you know gays go to hell? I think it's the position in the 3 big monotheist religions, no?
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Don't you know gays go to hell? I think it's the position in the 3 big monotheist religions, no?
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Get your facts right. Dont believe everything mullahs in your country tell you.. I honestly believe Islam is hijacked by these Mullahs and they add new things in the religion all the time. Trust me it doesnt say anywhere in Quran that faithfuls a allotted 40 virgins apiece...
Okay, so I will believe you and the Quoran. So I will believe there is hell and heavan, and I will end up in hell for all the hersies I committed while on Earth

Geez, to me they are all basically comic fairy tales, all three major religions, even after you take away the further embellishments added by their mullas and acharyas.
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