Can I ask you where you learned all this?

I'd hate to tell you that a lot of what you are saying is not true. Jesus did not bring the Bible. It was written quite a time after his crucifixion.

It is commonly believed that Moses wrote the Pentateuch himself, but nowhere in it is any reference the Moses wrote it.

The Deuteronomic books were written well after Moses passed away. The Psalms and Proverbs are traditionally attributed to David and Solomon.

This leaves me to suspect that Muslims have their own particular version of history, or there are simply misconceptions that are being taught within certain places in Islam. Which would you say?

Thanks for that post, sorry I misunderstood the examples as being Islam has helped someone here and now around me etc... which was kind of non-significant for me, compared to historical importances of a Religion as you mentioned.

Yes I agree, Christianity and before that Judaism was the Religion of God (Still are, minus the human interferenes) and the biggest suport Muhammad (AS) had was from Christians, his first Wife was Christian who helped him understand certain signs and the first Revelation.

At the time of Advent of Islam... people (local Arabs) used to bury there female children alive and women were often traded as cattle... Islam actually GAVE Rights to wmen at that time.

Also there were lot of tribal wars and vendettas... and same enemy Tribes afterwards were united as formiddable force.

Child allowances from the State common in EU countires and a Welfare Fund for the needy also originated during the early days of islam.

There are good things about people anywhere and anytime... and dont think its reasonable to compare one against the other, as at th eend of the day we are all same Humans.

What's the US foreign aid budget got to do with Christianity then?

All of u r Talking about Islam Why not about christianity or jews some more strikt,or dont forget about first and second testiment,dont forget extremisem in christianity,dont forget the religious cold war.

I respekt all religion,in the world,everyone can critisized about every religion,but we no need to be a extremised,dont forget every form of extremisem is hating each other,either politik or religion,

so my friends let every one to live and alive.
religion is a very personal thing of every humanbeing.

I happen to think some US Foreign aid were acts of benevolence politically passed as acts of charity. Amirite?

I would say just bits "Lost in Translation"

You are right about what you said.. Bible according to ST John was not even written by St John, let alone Jesus (AS)

What he means his Jesus (AS) brought the Gospel (Good news), Moses (AS) brought the Torah (The Law)... Psalms and Proverbs are rightfully attributed to David (AS) and Solomon (AS)

Pslams is referrred to as "Zaboor" in Arabic.

What our friend is saying is those particuler Scriptures were brought by those Prophets of God... However, NOT Written by them physically as you stated.

Its more like those Divine Scriptures were "Revealed" via Inspiration to those Prophets.

My point is that what I often hear about Islam have negative undertones. I was simply trying to give you the opportunity to echo the positive aspects of the religion.

The Bible (Injeel in Arabic) and Torah was sent down to Jesus and Moses respectively as per Quran. Don't compare these to the current forms of these book now. Yes todays bible and torah were writtend many many years after. The bible and torah that was sent were the commandments from God and not in a compiled book form.

If you consider the history from the point of view of Jews, Christans and Muslims yes they differ with each other barring few facts/names/events. If they all were same than this all would have been so simple isn't it? We would not have been discussing all this and there would have been one religion.

Yes sure, we know that.
It's just christian fanticisim is not strong enough any more to talk about it too much, otherwise wouldn't do better than other appearances of extremism.

Hi Ryan,

This thread started out as a discussion of Ramadan fasting - once you realize that, it is not too surprising that people on it would be talking mostly about Islam.

Let these guys finish with Islam.. after that Im gonna start with Judaism and Christianity

The problems with the "Lost in Translation" excuse is that quite a LOT is actually lost. For example:

Now that is quite a significant piece to lose in translation. Jesus spoke of bringing the gentiles into the fold.

And it almost looks like a claim that only Islam can bring in the gentiles. But the fact of the matter is, the Good News permeated Europe.

You very well did...

but, in life, I have leanred to judge something for what it is.. not what it can do for you or did for you...like an Objective and Intellectual Analysis...

Theres a Chinese Proverb which says "Before flood waters run down a wall, it touches their feet"

Actually, Christian fanaticism has kinda changed to Christian Radicalism. But more on that in some other thread... pls.

I'm sorry, this still doesn't make sense. Are you saying that there was a version of the Bible that was given to Jesus, and that it was re-written?

You mention a Bible and Torah not in a compiled book form. ??? They were written on scrolls by disciples. Or perhaps you are saying that the Bible is a revelation?

I'm not at all trying to deride you... but I think there is something lost here that is not due to translation.

All i am saying is that Quran says scriptures that you see now is a modified version of the earlier scriptures sent to Jesus and Moses. Why is this hard to understand?

Wiki is a friend to us all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injil

I think the Hindus, Sikhs and Parsis are heaving a sigh of relief somewhere!

Yes but not for long... All shall come and face the EF Tribunal

You mentioned Parsis... I have seen them and known about them from back home.. but never got to know what exactly is their Religion, apart from that they worship Fire?

Would you know... since you mentioned?