The General iPhone Thread and FAQ

[Gastro Gnome]

I wonder how long iPhone locking can continue . . . Apple can't really continue to disallow SIM swap on the iPhone but allow it on the iPad. I guess this is mainly pressure from the phone companies, for whom data roaming is a growing source of revenue.

	Quote:	Gastro Gnome
	You don't get iPhone owners over on the Android thread moaning about new Android phones. Why does the iPhone attract such negativity?

Nobody is stopping them.

IMO the main reason the iPhone attracts such negativity is because of fanboys who defend it as being the best thing in the world and every feature is innovative.

Saying that, the new iPhone looks nice, but there is nothing to take me away from my HTC Desire I'm afraid.

The screen is suppose to be almost as hard as saphire crystal!

[Jaro]

I'm upgrading myself from the 3g as soon as this thing hits CH. My corp contact at Swisscom will get it for me with no contract for around CHF500 like last time. Wife will see huge difference from her 3g. Great update of a already great product! would have been nice to see it is silver/all aluminum but oh well.

[Assassin]

I'm a hard core Apple fan, so I would no doubt buy Apple toilet tissue if Steve made it, but I'm already seeing accessory problems with the 4G. My car's charging cradle and holder is made for the curved original and 3G/3GS models, so that's history, as are all the cases and most of what Belkin have made in the past 3 years. So, back to the store a few weeks after my 4G arrives and we're into more accessories. Capitalism, a working model, now in stock at a local showroom near you.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Assassin
	I'm a hard core Apple fan, so I would no doubt buy Apple toilet tissue if Steve made it, but I'm already seeing accessory problems with the 4G. My car's charging cradle and holder is made for the curved original and 3G/3GS models, so that's history, as are all the cases and most of what Belkin have made in the past 3 years. So, back to the store a few weeks after my 4G arrives and we're into more accessories. Capitalism, a working model, now in stock at a local showroom near you.

you should email steve and suggest he makes some. i think mac haters would also like to wipe their arses with apple products - and iphones are a bit too hard, cold and non-absorbent

i'm pretty impressed with the announcement of the new iphone. they've made some good improvements and taken a few core features and tried to do them well. i've not seen a single good implementation of video-calling for phones, so it will be interesting to see if the new iphone cracks that.

at the moment, my core applications on the phone are:

mail - profimail
web - opera mini 4
gps - nokia maps (world maps saved onto memory card and free navigation)
phone/text

i would be surprised if the apps on iphone will top either profimail, opera mini 4 or nokia maps, but i would be happy to be proved wrong.

the android vs iphone war is heating up and it will be interesting to see the next round of products...

	Quote:	Assassin
	I'm a hard core Apple fan, so I would no doubt buy Apple toilet tissue if Steve made it, but I'm already seeing accessory problems with the 4G. My car's charging cradle and holder is made for the curved original and 3G/3GS models, so that's history, as are all the cases and most of what Belkin have made in the past 3 years. So, back to the store a few weeks after my 4G arrives and we're into more accessories. Capitalism, a working model, now in stock at a local showroom near you.

The glass is suppose to be comparable in strength to saphire crystal. That is on the front and back of the phone. I think that pretty much negates the need for a screen protector or a cover!

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	The glass is suppose to be comparable in strength to saphire crystal. That is on the front and back of the phone. I think that pretty much negates the need for a screen protector or a cover!

hmm. i've seem so many shattered iphone screens, that i'm highly sceptical of such a claim. why did they use glass of the back? surely they could have made it lighter with some other material?

[BaselLife]

Answering Gastro Gnome questioning why there is often so much negative criticism of Apple/iphone. I think it is a combination of 4 things, firstly Apple itself has exhibits an arrogance with its product range where it tries to lock down everything and use proprietary technologies where ever it can. If you believe that you should decide what you run and what you do not run a device can be a big problem.

The other problem is the fan boys who hype up anything Apple produces as being magical where as often it is simply evolutionary or something that is already available elsewhere for a lower price.

Also the way the media treat Apple is completely different from other technology companies. They always seem to get an easy ride and recently even articles in the press about the ipad which were more advertisments than editorials.

Finally the way the anti trust departments around the world treat Apple has meant it has been able to do many things that other companies would not be allowed to do. For example, it is amazing that it's strangehold on mp3 players has not been challenged.

Have fun
Martin

[Jaro]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	hmm. i've seem so many shattered iphone screens, that i'm highly sceptical of such a claim. why did they use glass of the back? surely they could have made it lighter with some other material?

come on now...the glas surface is very thin and very light....anything else would have been heavier and would scratch easy. It is the right move

[Gastro Gnome]

	Quote:	BaselLife
	For example, it is amazing that it's strangehold on mp3 players has not been challenged.

Is Apple's success in the MP3 player market uncompetitive? Do they unfairly prevent entry to the market? As far as I'm aware no one's stopping anyone from downloading tunes from Amazon and slapping them on to a Zune.

If you are sick of fan boys or slack journalists, why not criticise them rather than Apple?

Did we actually get a release date at the conference last night?

[Gastro Gnome]

	Quote:
	Did we actually get a release date at the conference last night?

Not for Switzerland.

	Quote:
	The new iPhone 4 model will go on sale on June 24 in the U.S., France, Germany, Japan, and the United Kingdom. In the U.S., it will cost $199 for the 16GB model and $299 for the 32GB model with a new 2-year contract. iPhone 4 will be available in 88 countries by the end of September.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/07/...ecording-more/

[Worm_Buffet]

	Quote:
	Did we actually get a release date at the conference last night?

From Engadget's liveblog of yesterday's event:

	Quote:	http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010
	"Pre-orders start a week from tomorrow. And we're shipping in 5 countries. In July we're shipping in 18 more."

I'd like to think that Switzerland is one of the 18 countries that get it in July.

Edit: In fact, I found this picture.

[Ed Pummelon]

	Quote:	BaselLife
	...I think it is a combination of 4 things, firstly Apple itself has exhibits an arrogance with its product range where it tries to lock down everything and use proprietary technologies where ever it can...

Like HTML5 and the new FaceTime standard?

[pk01]

does anyone know the price of iphone 4g without contract.. no answer googling

[Worm_Buffet]

	Quote:	pk01
	does anyone know the price of iphone 4g without contract.. no answer googling

In Switzerland? No one knows yet. Presumably it will be around 900-1100 CHF.

[dawiz]

	Quote:	eyebeebe
	Sign of being a market leader. Up there on a pedestal for all to take aim at.

Or perhaps because on Android, if you don't like your handset, you can get a different one, taking all of your apps with you. On the iPhone, if you don't like a model, you're screwed. As there's absolutely no choice.

[dawiz]

	Quote:	Gastro Gnome
	People have been saying that Apple have been behind the technological lead with the iPhone ever since it first came out. That hasn't exactly impacted sales.

That's probably because most people don't need a smartphone anyway - if you only use your phone for calling and sending SMS (and that's what most iPhone owners use it for), you'll never even notice your handset is lacking in some aspects. Also, the iPhone is very easy to use - not a feature I necessarily look for in a toy (the easier it is to use, the quicker the fun's gone...) - but one that most people will prefer over better features. Although the current iterations of Android are very simple to use as well - but much more customizable.

[dawiz]

	Quote:	Worm_Buffet
	In Switzerland? No one knows yet. Presumably it will be around 900-1100 CHF.

since the on-contract prices haven't changed, it's reasonable to think that they will cost the same as the current 3GS versions. 1199 for the 32gb version and around 999 for the 16gb version. Probably a bit cheaper for the SIM-free ones - but those won't be available in larger quantities until later this year.

The one good thing about the new iPhone is that Sunrise will be offering it as well. http://www.digitalliving.ch/macworld...es_iphone.html - perhaps this will at least make the contracts a bit cheaper - and perhaps they'll offer unlimited data on it.

Peter

[dawiz]

	Quote:	Ed Pummelon
	Like HTML5 and the new FaceTime standard?

FaceTime is no standard. It's standard-based - much like micro-displayport which nobody on the planet is able to use without a 90 Fr. conversion cable. Apart from the fact that this will only run on WiFi, the standard for video telephony is already a part of the WCDMA / 3G definitions and has (literally) been around for years. My first 3G handset already did video telephony. FaceTime is yet another example of Apple's trying to force stuff on people and to change an already existing standard into something else.