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Or perhaps because on Android, if you don't like your handset, you can get a different one, taking all of your apps with you. On the iPhone, if you don't like a model, you're screwed. As there's absolutely no choice.
Because there are loads of amazing Android handsets on offer? The Desire is a decent phone and I'm posting from one right now. It's still no iPhone though and I will be going back to Apple when the new phone is released. I'm glad I tried Android though as it proved to me that it is no match for iOS at this stage. For me Android, particularly with HTC Sense, is WinMob done right, but lacking a few features.

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Or perhaps because on Android, if you don't like your handset, you can get a different one, taking all of your apps with you. On the iPhone, if you don't like a model, you're screwed. As there's absolutely no choice.
But all you have to do is not-buy-an-iPhone.

You don't have to bang on about why other people's phone choices are crap.

Do you see many iPhone owners criticising Android phones?
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Old 08.06.2010, 11:00
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FaceTime is no standard. It's standard-based - much like micro-displayport which nobody on the planet is able to use without a 90 Fr. conversion cable. Apart from the fact that this will only run on WiFi, the standard for video telephony is already a part of the WCDMA / 3G definitions and has (literally) been around for years. My first 3G handset already did video telephony. FaceTime is yet another example of Apple's trying to force stuff on people and to change an already existing standard into something else.
Obviously a bad choice of words on my part, I'm so sorry for saying standard. My point was that it's open, in answer to the usual complaint that they try to lock down everything.

And how the hell is offering the feature in a new handset "trying to force stuff on people"?

I really don't get any of this. If someone doesn't like something, don't buy it. I don't like asparagus, but I don't bitch and moan everytime I see someone trying to sell it.
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Old 08.06.2010, 11:24
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Re: The iPhone 3G 3GS & 4G thread and FAQ

Most phone comparisons are made using tech specs . . . it's all about file support, how many megapixels the camera is etc In response many iPhone supporters cite numbers of apps available and the pleasure of using the interface.

What I like about Apple products in general is the build quality. My Macbook Pro is a few years old now, but still feels solid and reliable. Other laptops I've had from other manufacturers, started to look shabby fairly quickly. On top of that there's the quality of the industrial design . . . they look and feel nice.

It looks like the new iPhone is going to be fantastic in terms of look and feel. There have been 'wow' reports about the new screen, and using toughened glass at the back is going to feel and look better than the current plastic one. It all conveys quality . . . but, of course, you pay for it.

Tech spec comparisons are a bit silly as they normally simply depend on the propuct release schedule. Yeah, the iPhone screen looks to be top at the moment, but it won't be long before an HTC phone beats that. And then the iPhone will be playing catch up.

I would be tempted by an HTC (the EVO 4G looks, um, deftig) . . . but as I use a Mac, the integration with the iPhone would be hard to give up.
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Old 08.06.2010, 11:26
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Do you see many iPhone owners criticising Android phones?
yes, I absolutely do - just go over to Macprime or macrumors

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Old 08.06.2010, 11:30
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Because there are loads of amazing Android handsets on offer? The Desire is a decent phone and I'm posting from one right now. It's still no iPhone though and I will be going back to Apple when the new phone is released. I'm glad I tried Android though as it proved to me that it is no match for iOS at this stage. For me Android, particularly with HTC Sense, is WinMob done right, but lacking a few features.
I won't drag this on, as this is an iPhone thread - however: which features are lacking? I've had a hard time letting go of my iPhone (and even though some of my posts here might indicate the contrary, I actually liked it a lot for a long time - I've had the 2G, the 3G and the 3GS). I just don't like Apple - and by now I simply can't bring myself to give them another chance until Jobs finally retires. By now, however, I personally think that both the Nexus One and the Desire are nicer to use than the iPhone - and I think I can say in all honesty that I like Android better now.
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Re: The iPhone 3G 3GS & 4G thread and FAQ

Hi guys..
anyone knows if Swisscom will offer similar to AT&T....ie to allow existing iphone 3g users to upgrade to the iPhone 4 "up to six months early."

any insight will be appreciated !!
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Old 08.06.2010, 11:35
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What I like about Apple products in general is the build quality. My Macbook Pro is a few years old now, but still feels solid and reliable.
I agree with you there. Although I wouldn't call the current iPhone solidly built (the cracks in the casing aren't something you'd expect from a 1199 Fr. handset), some Apple products definitely are (the current MBP series, for example). I also prefer having things that look nice - but there's a difference between looking solid and actually being solid. The MBPs look great but they don't actually last longer than a cheapo Dell in most cases. If I had the choice, I'd buy the better looking device any day - I don't have that anymore, since I won't buy Apple products. HTC, btw., makes a beautifully solid unibody-design device called the legend.

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Hi guys..
anyone knows if Swisscom will offer similar to AT&T....ie to allow existing iphone 3g users to upgrade to the iPhone 4 "up to six months early."

any insight will be appreciated !!
Probably not - AT&T has done that before (when the 3GS came out) and Swisscom refused to let you renew early back then.
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Old 08.06.2010, 11:53
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I won't drag this on, as this is an iPhone thread - however: which features are lacking? I've had a hard time letting go of my iPhone (and even though some of my posts here might indicate the contrary, I actually liked it a lot for a long time - I've had the 2G, the 3G and the 3GS). I just don't like Apple - and by now I simply can't bring myself to give them another chance until Jobs finally retires. By now, however, I personally think that both the Nexus One and the Desire are nicer to use than the iPhone - and I think I can say in all honesty that I like Android better now.
Compared with WinMob mainly the things that you would expect MS to do better like Exchange integration and features (i use a hosted Exchange account for my personal email calendar etc) and hotmail handling. Also the ability to customize the lock screen to show more useful information. Installing apps on SD, but Froyo should fix that. Overall its better than WinMob, but to me both the hardware and software are better on the iPhone. I could go further and give you an in-depth personal comparison of the three operating systems and hardware and throw blackberry in there for good measure but this isn't the right thread!
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Most phone comparisons are made using tech specs . . . it's all about file support, how many megapixels the camera is etc In response many iPhone supporters cite numbers of apps available and the pleasure of using the interface.

What I like about Apple products in general is the build quality. My Macbook Pro is a few years old now, but still feels solid and reliable. Other laptops I've had from other manufacturers, started to look shabby fairly quickly. On top of that there's the quality of the industrial design . . . they look and feel nice.

It looks like the new iPhone is going to be fantastic in terms of look and feel. There have been 'wow' reports about the new screen, and using toughened glass at the back is going to feel and look better than the current plastic one. It all conveys quality . . . but, of course, you pay for it.

Tech spec comparisons are a bit silly as they normally simply depend on the propuct release schedule. Yeah, the iPhone screen looks to be top at the moment, but it won't be long before an HTC phone beats that. And then the iPhone will be playing catch up.

I would be tempted by an HTC (the EVO 4G looks, um, deftig) . . . but as I use a Mac, the integration with the iPhone would be hard to give up.
As another poster said I certainly wouldn't cite the iPhone for having great build quality. I had a cover on mine from day one and had a lot of cracks forming after 7 months. They swapped it for me which was great...but I'd rather not have to do that!

As an aside when I swapped the phone second time around for the same reason, they said if it happens again they won't really be able to do it. This is because the white iPhone doesn't have a pigment so is more liable to cracking. I had the biggest face you can imagine when he said that. I didn't argue because A)They are changing the phone B) I was selling it in 5 minutes so it's not my problem anymore!

I don't think I will be swapping my Desire for this. Once the Desire get's Froyo, I'm hoping to get an iPad. Best of both worlds
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Old 08.06.2010, 12:14
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Re: The iPhone 3G 3GS & 4G thread and FAQ

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/?cid=...962-2962&sr=em

I just got this, and whilst I'm not fond of my Iphone from a reliability view point as I've had 2 fail in 13 months. Apple want chf 265 change it even though they have record of the phone being 'seen' at the genius bar twice when it was in warranty, so there customer service is dis-appointing, as they say it's my fault for not demanding it be swapped... like I should know more than their guru's! I just don't see the iphone as a durable bit of kit, and haven't got the confidence to shell out for a new one. Nice toy and all, but I'd just be happy if it worked properly all the time.
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What I like about Apple products in general is the build quality. My Macbook Pro is a few years old now, but still feels solid and reliable. Other laptops I've had from other manufacturers, started to look shabby fairly quickly.
Unfortunately, it is not always the case.

For example, the silencer button on my iPhone fell off.

A considerable number of the the 3G/3Gs phones developed cracks on the plastic shell (mine did too... albeit being a black shell, one doesn't really see them as it's just around the headphone plug).

The screen hinges on a large number of Mac notebooks in the past few years have broken with alarming consistency.

It's it's not just external things, but internal too such as on the Time Machines that had (and still have) a design flaw where the heat generated by the disk causes premature capacitor failing, and thus dead TM's within 6-12 months of being purchased.

And the new Core i7 based laptops are also heating up severely. Whilst corresponding i7 machines from companies like Dell have peak CPU temperatures of around 80 degrees (severe throttling usually begins to happen at 100 degrees), the new Macbooks have been found to run at +120 degrees. That's just asking for trouble in the long run, i.e. the technicians did not sufficiently redefine the casing of those machine to take the increased heat from the new processors.

But as with anything, it can be hit or miss. Mercedes used to be a brand with exceptional quality ratings, very durable parts that lasted ages. Then the bean counters got on the deal and quality slipped. It's only in the past few years that they've been picking up their act again.

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I just got this, and whilst I'm not fond of my Iphone from a reliability view point as I've had 2 fail in 13 months. Apple want chf 265 change it even though they have record of the phone being 'seen' at the genius bar twice when it was in warranty, so there customer service is dis-appointing, as they say it's my fault for not demanding it be swapped... like I should know more than their guru's! I just don't see the iphone as a durable bit of kit, and haven't got the confidence to shell out for a new one. Nice toy and all, but I'd just be happy if it worked properly all the time.

That is poor showing from Apple.
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Re: The iPhone 3G 3GS & 4G thread and FAQ

It is, but after 12 hours of the motorola razor something or other those nice chaps at Swisscom leant me whilst they sort it out with CrApple.... I want my iphone back. Compared to the easy iphone the menus for the Motorola seem to have been designed by an Afghan goat herder who uses to much of his main export.
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Re: The iPhone 3G 3GS & 4G thread and FAQ

Having wrote earlier that it wasn't all down to a comparison of technical specs, here's a tech spec comparison between the iPhone 4 and some other smartphones, including the HTC EVO 4G . . .

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/i...-plus-and-hd2/

There aren't any CPU benchmarks yet, but I suspect when there are that the A4 will beat the 1GHz Snapdragon.

Any idea why having a SIM, as opposed to a Micro SIM, should be seen as an advantage?
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Any idea why having a SIM, as opposed to a Micro SIM, should be seen as an advantage?
maybe cos you don't need to cut up your sim card and make it incompatible with 99% of the phones out there?
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maybe cos you don't need to cut up your sim card and make it incompatible with 99% of the phones out there?
I guess computers should still have 5.25" disk drives too!

It's not a real disadvantage for most users, simply the march of progress.
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I guess computers should still have 5.25" disk drives too!

It's not a real disadvantage for most users, simply the march of progress.
I am not being a smart a55 when I ask this...

How is it the march of progress?

Now if they reduced the SIM to micro size so that we could put two SIM cards in SIMultaneously, then that would be progress. At least, it would be, to me.

Don't get me wrong, I am now faced with only one dilemma. That of when/where to get my 1st gen. iPhone replaced by the 4th gen. version, as I am moving back to the US, in a few months.
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How is it the march of progress?

Now if they reduced the SIM to micro size so that we could put two SIM cards in SIMultaneously, then that would be progress. At least, it would be, to me.
It takes less space for one, something that is very scarce in a little magical and revolutionary device like the iPhone.

Also, I believe that MicroSIM has some added storage and security features but I don't know what they are.
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