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Just for clarity, I should point out that I'm not using any of this as some kind of defense of the iPhone's shortcomings, of which there are many - and christ knows it's easy enough to be written off as some kind of blinkered fanatic on this forum as it is anywhere else. My point is more that when a product gains as much media and public attention as this one, it becomes very difficult to separate myth from reality. And that goes for the manufacturers as well as the users.
Exactly. Every unlucky/ignorant/entitled owner's gripe or problem becomes a sensationalist headline of the iPhone and Apple's impending doom.
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Old 25.08.2008, 16:27
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

People moan about the iphone so much but apple does an amazing job of trying to make a good product, and continuously improving it.

So far we have had numerous software updates to improve functionality and fix bugs. Just recently the app store was added which has been a great success with users.

Personally, I think the level of commitment that apple has with the iphone is nothing less than simply outstanding.

When is the last time you got a firmware update with your last phone?

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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Just for information,
I have a mini, which has the iPod interface, it workd great with my 32Gb Touch, but the iPhone 3G does not charge. which is a pain in the **** as now i have to get a car charger......
You would think that Apple would not make these mistakes, I know that the BOSE sound dock has the same problem...............
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Because it's not the same package, as per Peter's post. Are you not planning on using data? If not, then I don't really see the attraction of an iPhone over anything else. If so, then the question of whether it's pre-paid or not should be relevant for you, surely?
Well, basically it is.You either buy the prepaid package from Swisscom (and throw away the prepaid card, or use your current Swisscom subscription), or the non-prepaid / non-subscription package from Orange (and use your Orange SIM-card).
So the only difference is the CHF 20 prepaid card that is included in the Swisscom package.

Also, using data traffic or not isn't relevant if you ask me. You can also want the iPhone for just calling, the looks, the apps or whatever.
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Just for information,
I have a mini, which has the iPod interface, it workd great with my 32Gb Touch, but the iPhone 3G does not charge. which is a pain in the **** as now i have to get a car charger......
You would think that Apple would not make these mistakes, I know that the BOSE sound dock has the same problem...............
When you say "mini", you mean the car, right? If so, are you saying the BMW iPod interface allowed you to use the iPod Touch to play music, or just charge the iPod Touch?

And why is it up to Apple to build their products for the BMW interface, and not the other way around?

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Well, basically it is.You either buy the prepaid package from Swisscom (and throw away the prepaid card, or use your current Swisscom subscription), or the non-prepaid / non-subscription package from Orange (and use your Orange SIM-card).
So the only difference is the CHF 20 prepaid card that is included in the Swisscom package.

Also, using data traffic or not isn't relevant if you ask me. You can also want the iPhone for just calling, the looks, the apps or whatever.
Sounds to me like you've made your mind up.

Personally speaking there would be no way in hell I would spend that kind of money on an iPhone if I wasn't going to use data with it, but that's just me.
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Old 26.08.2008, 07:35
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People moan about the iphone so much but apple does an amazing job of trying to make a good product, and continuously improving it.

So far we have had numerous software updates to improve functionality and fix bugs. Just recently the app store was added which has been a great success with users.

Personally, I think the level of commitment that apple has with the iphone is nothing less than simply outstanding.

When is the last time you got a firmware update with your last phone?
Nokia releases those all the time. They also give you access to their Beta programs, release SDKs, actually allow you to program and use the phone you bought the way you like it. What Apple is doing here is nothing special, really. Many of the problems people have with the iPhone stem from Apple's strange fight to keep the platform as closed as possible. I guess that made sense when the it was exclusive to AT&T and when the revenue-sharing model was still in place. Now that the phone is a) available all over the planet and is b) sold like any other phone, the whole thing is somewhat theatrical.

One should also note that despite the media attention Apple has been getting for the device, it's still selling (much) worse than, say, a Nokia N95, which doesn't get any free advertising whatsoever.

As for the numerous software updates and bug fixes: I would greatly appreciate it if Apple actually told me what all these updates do. I haven't seen any kind of improvement with any of them. I know the updates seem to have improved the stability on some devices - but I'm not really sure whether that's the update's doing or whether that simply happens when you do a restore. For me, 2.0.2 was just as buggy as 2.0 - only when I had to do a full restore were the problems mitigated somewhat.

Also, I think Apple should start thinking their "no app in the background" policy over. The app store is somewhat disappointing at this time - there simply aren't many killer apps here. By far most of the apps are useless crap, IMHO. If they scrap the push notification service now, many people (both users and developers) are going to be very, very disappointed.

That said - I still like the iPhone for its interface. Then again, I guess I have to like it since I'm locked in a 24 months contract now :-)

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Old 26.08.2008, 08:45
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Peter, I agree with you about Apple's "closed shop" way of doing things. As I'm sure you know, it's been their style since more or less forever, however for me until now it's always been nothing more than a little bemusing, but no big deal.

But they've now moved into a whole different arena with this product, and I believe someone is going to have to get in line - either Apple will force the industry to do things their way (unlikely in my view, despite what they did with the record companies and iTunes), or they are going to have to start making some compromises.

Despite their history of stubborness, their change of communication tactic over the MobileMe mess shows that they can shift direction if they need to - given time, I think we will see more openess in the iPhone area as well. At the moment they're getting every last cent they can using the current strategy, and that's working well but can only be short-term. To sustain it they'll need to show a bit more flexibility, and I don't think they're dumb enough not to do this.
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Old 26.08.2008, 08:57
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

I simply do not see why retaining a measure of control over your own product should be perceived as such an "evil". It baffles me to be honest. I have no affiliation with Apple, nor do I even work for a company that manufactures anything. This is just my view.
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Old 26.08.2008, 09:02
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I simply do not see why retaining a measure of control over your own product should be perceived as such an "evil". It baffles me to be honest. I have no affiliation with Apple, nor do I even work for a company that manufactures anything. This is just my view.
I'm not saying its evil - I'm saying it's idiotic. Preventing users from using a product the way they like NEVER works in the long run. Just look at the whole DRM mess in the music business.

Not being able to fully access all features of the phone hinders sales, angers customers, hurts the app sales and generally leaves a bad after-taste.

I'm also not saying the should open-source their whole OS and give away iPhones for free.

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Old 26.08.2008, 09:04
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When you say "mini", you mean the car, right? If so, are you saying the BMW iPod interface allowed you to use the iPod Touch to play music, or just charge the iPod Touch?

And why is it up to Apple to build their products for the BMW interface, and not the other way around?



Sounds to me like you've made your mind up.

Personally speaking there would be no way in hell I would spend that kind of money on an iPhone if I wasn't going to use data with it, but that's just me.
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Yes, i am sorry.
Well all the other Apple devices work with the Interface(except the shuffle). Apple and BMW about three years ago, made a very large splash, that the Ipod was now complete intergreated into BMW/Mini cars. It operates like a CD drive, you can play play list, go up and down tracks etc. Its a normal option that you can add onto your car, Also it charges from the Car, you can control the music from the steering wheel. The old Iphone worked completely, like the Ipod touch works, its just the new iPhone that does not work.

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Old 26.08.2008, 09:28
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Yes, i am sorry.
Well all the other Apple devices work with the Interface(except the shuffle). Apple and BMW about three years ago, made a very large splash, that the Ipod was now complete intergreated into BMW/Mini cars. It operates like a CD drive, you can play play list, go up and down tracks etc. Its a normal option that you can add onto your car, Also it charges from the Car, you can control the music from the steering wheel. The old Iphone worked completely, like the Ipod touch works, its just the new iPhone that does not work.

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I know how it works as I have one too, my question was more about the the iPod Touch, as I could never get mine to work with the system, and had therefore assumed that the Touch / iPhone simply needed a newer type of interface. Especially as the splash that Apple and BMW made was before the Touch was released.

Mine was only fitted in '07 - have they updated it since?
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

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I for me i just plug in the Itouch, and it worked without a problem i have a 2005 Mini, might be you need to ask the garage to check the firmware in the Radio.
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Old 26.08.2008, 10:11
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

does anyone else find the actual 'phone' function of the iphone annoying? I am glad I don't make and receive many calls on my iphone as I am finding it a bit of a nightmare - for example it is far too easy to call someone by mistake, its far to easy to not hang up properly as you have to touch the screen to hang up and not the home button and yesterday my husband and I were in the same area, trying to meet up we were both trying to phone each other and couldn't get through yet we had full reception granted this may actually be a swisscom problem.

I still love the phone but I am just struggling to get to grips with actually using the 'phone' I have become increasingly paranoid about calling people by mistake, I have already done it a few a times, when you go into phone and you get the recently dialed list, you only have to tap one of the names quickly by mistake and it starts dialing, I would prefer a tap to one of the names then another screen to select dial just as a buffer incase you hit the wrong name by mistake

Anyone else have the same issues/problems?

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Old 26.08.2008, 10:32
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

I have phoned a few people by mistake but normally by being careless.

just tap the sleep button on top of the phone when not using it. Then no calls can be made.

I tend to use the microphone on the headphones to end calls, this works well.
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Yes, i am sorry.
Well all the other Apple devices work with the Interface(except the shuffle). Apple and BMW about three years ago, made a very large splash, that the Ipod was now complete intergreated into BMW/Mini cars. It operates like a CD drive, you can play play list, go up and down tracks etc. Its a normal option that you can add onto your car, Also it charges from the Car, you can control the music from the steering wheel. The old Iphone worked completely, like the Ipod touch works, its just the new iPhone that does not work.

T
I think the best solution is to pick up an el cheapo 4GB Ipod Mini/Nano off Ebay and use that as a dedicated in-car player (which is what I do). With iTunes its easy to have an iPod and iPhone syncing off the same music database so you can keep your tunes nice and fresh.
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Old 26.08.2008, 11:49
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

i am still a bit ****ed how the iphone works, especially with some very easing features that improve the use, but you dont come across if nobody would tell you. e.g. after i have bought my touch, i went to apple n asked for a earphone controller which was non existent for the touch. now i was wondering what that one "tube"part was on my iphone package earphones and was close to remove it until someone said its your receiver and microphone and ipod controller. ->

what i had probs with was battery life. what eats battery most is the email push feature. since i have switched that off...fantastic! battery lasts 2 days now by heavy use of ipod, more to come.

one thing that is still annoying is the forced use of itunes synch to get music on your phone. i have uploaded 2gb music and last sunday i wanted to upload a single album. therefore i did a new list in itunes and i wanted only to synch with that in full belief it would only bring this record on and leaves the rest untouched. hahahaha! all music was gone and i had this one album on only! i mean, i assume that the iphone synchs always the complete list, not the new added one only?

man, it takes ages to synch! this process is circuitous! why no simple drag n drop? (rhetoric question as you arent any developper or sales guys with plan why...)
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

You can drag and drop into itunes, just open an adjacent window to itunes, create a playlist in itunes, click the playlist so it shows an empty window to the right, then drag the contents of your album (from windows explorer) into itunes.. easy peasy

Then in itunes go into iPhone options> click on the music tab> sync selected playlists only and choose which ones you want. If you choose sync all then it will mirror your itunes library on your iPhone (unless you run out of memory on your iPhone of course).
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i am still a bit ****ed how the iphone works, especially with some very easing features that improve the use, but you dont come across if nobody would tell you. e.g. after i have bought my touch, i went to apple n asked for a earphone controller which was non existent for the touch. now i was wondering what that one "tube"part was on my iphone package earphones and was close to remove it until someone said its your receiver and microphone and ipod controller. ->

what i had probs with was battery life. what eats battery most is the email push feature. since i have switched that off...fantastic! battery lasts 2 days now by heavy use of ipod, more to come.

one thing that is still annoying is the forced use of itunes synch to get music on your phone. i have uploaded 2gb music and last sunday i wanted to upload a single album. therefore i did a new list in itunes and i wanted only to synch with that in full belief it would only bring this record on and leaves the rest untouched. hahahaha! all music was gone and i had this one album on only! i mean, i assume that the iphone synchs always the complete list, not the new added one only?

man, it takes ages to synch! this process is circuitous! why no simple drag n drop? (rhetoric question as you arent any developper or sales guys with plan why...)
flow, nearly all the problems you have described on here since you bought your phone are not actually problems with the phone at all, but have come about because you do not understand how it works. This time is no exception.

I cannot think of many other electronic products on the market which have so much information about their functions so freely available. In addition, many people on here, including me, have spent a lot of time explaining to you how the thing works, yet you still seem to refuse to take it on board. Why is that?
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

mate, maybe it seems like im sitting here like a buddha with chromosome 23 defect, but it is simply that i dont get the answers to my "problems"
on the internet. what ever bullhecking manual i read, i dont get the what i am particularly looking fior. otherwise i wouldnt ask. how in the world shall i know that the earphones now do have a controller after i have asked for it in march? i have never seen anyone so far using it, whether for ipod nor for the iphone. not that it is written on the package somewhere.

i never have synched anything ever and i dont like that concept.
the prob was: i have set up an new playlist with one record in it. i have clicked "synch list xy" and the whole list was gone. it was synched, but with only one record... i thought this record will be placed within the existing one...
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mate, maybe it seems like im sitting here like a buddha with chromosome 23 defect, but it is simply that i dont get the answers to my "problems"
on the internet. what ever bullhecking manual i read, i dont get the what i am particularly looking fior. otherwise i wouldnt ask. how in the world shall i know that the earphones now do have a controller after i have asked for it in march? i have never seen anyone so far using it, whether for ipod nor for the iphone. not that it is written on the package somewhere.

i never have synched anything ever and i dont like that concept.
i will try the way you guys have said it works with drag n drop...lets see.
The headset is descibed on page 16 of the manual, in Chapter 2 called Basics. That's the same manual that I and krlock linked to last time you brought this issue up:
"Stereo Headset with Mic. Click the mic button to answer or end a call. When listening to iPod, click the button once to play or pause a song, or click twice quickly to skip to the next track".
It's quite obvious that the problem is not with the manual, it's that you haven't bothered reading it.

As for syncing vs. drag and drop, this is old ground - again, you obviously haven't bothered to read what was explained to you pages back, and as a result you're posting the same old crap on here all over again.

And your claim that you don't get answers to your problems - given the amount of time that I and others have wasted on you, that's simply rude.
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