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Old 08.06.2009, 22:28
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Hi,

so it looks like the iphone is still playing catch up with other phones. Voice commander, tom tom, wipe data etc. The only interesting thing was the price reduction.

Are they running out of ideas ?

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Running out of ideas or else trying to milk the iphone franchise for all its worth. This is the 3rd incarnation and they're still playing catch-up with the circa 2006 Nokia N95 which had GPS, Tomtom, Wifi, Video capture, 5mp camera, FM radio, removable battery/memory etc..
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Running out of ideas or else trying to milk the iphone franchise for all its worth. This is the 3rd incarnation and they're still playing catch-up with the circa 2006 Nokia N95 which had GPS, Tomtom, Wifi, Video capture, 5mp camera, FM radio, removable battery/memory etc..
Which is of course why everyone wants a Nokia and no one wants an iPhone . . . hmmmmm. It's all about usability. And latterly the app store.

More importantly to current iPhone owners in Switzerland:

- Are Swisscom or Orange changing their iPhone tariffs, in particular their stingy data quotas?
- Will tethering be implemented? (Not much point if the data quotas stay the same, but still . . .)
- Will current owners be offered an upgrade path and at what cost?

Both provider's websites are stumm, maybe worth a phone call tomorrow?
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Old 09.06.2009, 08:23
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Well, the 3GS doesn't really seem to bring much to the party does it? Certainly for me there's nothing of significance to make me want to upgrade.

The 2x quoted speed increase looks good on the surface, until I consider that my existing iPhone works fast enough for me the vast majority of the time.

The other new features seem to be the kind of "impress your mates down the pub" features which get used a few times simply to impress said mates, and then never again. Well, I'm speaking my opinion here, maybe one of the new features will be the killer feature for somebody else.

All in all a bit disappointing and flat for me really.
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Old 09.06.2009, 08:28
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Which is of course why everyone wants a Nokia and no one wants an iPhone . . . hmmmmm. It's all about usability. And latterly the app store.

More importantly to current iPhone owners in Switzerland:

- Are Swisscom or Orange changing their iPhone tariffs, in particular their stingy data quotas?
- Will tethering be implemented? (Not much point if the data quotas stay the same, but still . . .)
- Will current owners be offered an upgrade path and at what cost?

Both provider's websites are stumm, maybe worth a phone call tomorrow?
Well, I don't know anything about new tariffs or an upgrade path (unlikely, Swisscom usually doesn't do that) - but as far as tethering goes:

- Orange: Yes
- Swisscom: No (for now)

Orange is on the list of providers that will offer tethering while Swisscom isn't. I suppose this has to do with the relatively small amount of data that's included with the current subscriptions. Perhaps this would be the time to intro unlimited data plans for all subscriptions, or at least bump the included volume of the Piccolo and Mezzo tariffs to 1gb and offer unlimited data to the Grande users. However, I suspect Swisscom will try to milk this new cash-cow and will thus charge you extra for tethering, much like AT&T :-/

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Old 09.06.2009, 08:31
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Well, the 3GS doesn't really seem to bring much to the party does it?
The only really new thing is Nike+ (which, of course, the iPod Touch has had for 3/4 of a year already) - the iPod Nano I've been using for jogging recently died. If Swisscom should end up offering decent upgrade conditions, I might consider the 3GS, otherwise: nope. I have the nagging feeling that Apple is trying to sell the same phone all over again here. It's a mystery to me what the whole R&D department has been doing for the last year or so :-/

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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Nuts to tethering (for me). I'd like to know if we get MMS?
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Old 09.06.2009, 08:42
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Nuts to tethering (for me). I'd like to know if we get MMS?
it seems like it (not that I need it). But AFAIK you won't even have to buy a new handset for that - the new firmware (3.0) that'll be released on June 17 will add that ability to the current iPhones as well.

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it seems like it (not that I need it). But AFAIK you won't even have to buy a news handset for that - the new firmware (3.0) that'll be released on June 17 will add that ability to the current iPhones as well.
Yep, that's my understanding too. I've never used MMS in my life, but my colleagues have been going on about it so I guess it's important to some.

More important to me is if Orange will impose something similar to ATT's horrendous upgrade prices. If it's not too steep I could be tempted for the increased speed, but there's no way I would pay the kind of percentage bump up that ATT want.
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it seems like it (not that I need it). But AFAIK you won't even have to buy a news handset for that - the new firmware (3.0) that'll be released on June 17 will add that ability to the current iPhones as well.
I really don't need it either. I kind of hoped Apple would set the trend and never include it so that we have to e-mail each other pictures using the inclusive data package, but unfortunately not everyone has an iphone (yet).


I don't plan on upgrading, seems to be no massive advantage from the 3G and no doubt this time next year they design will radically change, just as my 2 year contract runs out...
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Old 09.06.2009, 09:14
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I really don't need it either. I kind of hoped Apple would set the trend and never include it so that we have to e-mail each other pictures using the inclusive data package, but unfortunately not everyone has an iphone (yet).
True, but on an estimated 90% of all phones today you can send and receive pictures by e-mail - I never understood the appeal of MMS

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Old 09.06.2009, 09:20
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

the SAR reports are out, too:

- 16GB version: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...27BCGA1303B%27
- 32GB version: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...27BCGA1303A%27

1.19 - pretty high. This is for 1g/kg

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True, but on an estimated 90% of all phones today you can send and receive pictures by e-mail - I never understood the appeal of MMS

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90%? is that a real statistic or your approximation?

We might not see the appeal but the carriers & idle-teenagers certainly do.
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Old 09.06.2009, 09:27
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90%? is that a real statistic or your approximation?

We might not see the appeal but the carriers & idle-teenagers certainly do.
my approximation - considering that close to all Nokias and SE phones are sold with e-mail clients, I think it's realistic. If those clients are set up, now that's a different question.

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Old 09.06.2009, 09:39
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Which is of course why everyone wants a Nokia and no one wants an iPhone . . . hmmmmm. It's all about usability. And latterly the app store
Usability seems to be the mantra, but in reality how usable is it when you can't clip n paste in emails, you can't cache maps to memory, you can't take a decent photo in low light, you can't record a short video clip, you can't tether etc.. To make my iphone more usable I've had to jailbreak it!

Don't get me wrong its a revolutionary phone in many regards however I am tired of Apple's arrogance in assuming they know best all of the time. Most of the features they are now trumpeting on the 3GS could/should have been there from the beginning, which is why I accuse them of drawing it out with these piecemeal improvements.
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Old 09.06.2009, 09:49
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I never understood the appeal of MMS
I agree. In all the years I had an MMS capable mobile I can honestly say that I never once sent, or received, an MMS.

That said, given it's part of the standard, there was absolutely no excuse for apple leaving it out on all prior versions of the iPhone software.

On a side note it looks like MMS and tethering is going to be available to everybody except those who reside the USA - Apparently AT&T's network is simply not up to it at the moment. Register report here
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I kind of hoped Apple would set the trend and never include it so that we have to e-mail each other pictures using the inclusive data package, but unfortunately not everyone has an iphone (yet).
You think one day everyone will have an iPhone? Amusing.

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Usability seems to be the mantra, but in reality how usable is it when you can't clip n paste in emails, you can't cache maps to memory, you can't take a decent photo in low light, you can't record a short video clip, you can't tether etc.. To make my iphone more usable I've had to jailbreak it!

Don't get me wrong its a revolutionary phone in many regards however I am tired of Apple's arrogance in assuming they know best all of the time. Most of the features they are now trumpeting on the 3GS could/should have been there from the beginning, which is why I accuse them of drawing it out with these piecemeal improvements.
Spot. On.
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Usability seems to be the mantra, but in reality how usable is it when you can't clip n paste in emails, you can't cache maps to memory, you can't take a decent photo in low light, you can't record a short video clip, you can't tether etc.. To make my iphone more usable I've had to jailbreak it!

Don't get me wrong its a revolutionary phone in many regards however I am tired of Apple's arrogance in assuming they know best all of the time. Most of the features they are now trumpeting on the 3GS could/should have been there from the beginning, which is why I accuse them of drawing it out with these piecemeal improvements.
I've found it more usable than any other phone I've had in the past, including many Nokias and Sony Ericssons.

The incremental feature release makes it easier to support and also provides development advantages. Most of the features you mention are now being fixed in a free software upgrade too . . . no need to fork out for new hardware.

Map cache-ing has been available via a third party app for a while now, e.g. Offmaps

I don't think Apple are really arrogant . . . they're simply making a product and offering it on the market. No one ever accused Nokia or Sony Ericsson of being arrogant. What's the difference?
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Old 09.06.2009, 11:37
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

The new iphone 3G S is out. Have anyone read if the video shooting mode will also be available to its predecessor (iphone 3G) via software update? -THANKS
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I don't think Apple are really arrogant . . . they're simply making a product and offering it on the market. No one ever accused Nokia or Sony Ericsson of being arrogant. What's the difference?
Apple are arrogant because of the contempt for which the treat their userbase, they are often percieved as a smug and elitist outfit and this is common opinion on the internet. That's no news to anyone (or shouldn't be).
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Apple are arrogant because of the contempt for which the treat their userbase, they are often percieved as a smug and elitist outfit and this is common opinion on the internet. That's no news to anyone (or shouldn't be).
Yep, I'll go along with that. I use, and like using their products, but their attitude towards their users stinks IMHO
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