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After the EU roaming charge caps that comes into force today, will Swisscom follow suit. I took my iphone to France for a week in April and got stuffed for CHF159, and that was with SFR who is Swisscoms partner in France. As I go back for 2 months on Saturday I'm dreading to even turn it on!

I have an old unlocked S/E with a Mobilezone PAYG sim that I may take and just get a French sim. My wife has a business phone on Swisscom, can I put that card in my iphone as she's coming with me for the first 2 weeks. Or have any of your guru's any tips for minimising the nut crunching bills.
If I heard right, the new charge limits only deal with phone calls and SMS, not data. Not sure if Switzerland will play along.
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

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I have an old unlocked S/E with a Mobilezone PAYG sim that I may take and just get a French sim. My wife has a business phone on Swisscom, can I put that card in my iphone as she's coming with me for the first 2 weeks. Or have any of your guru's any tips for minimising the nut crunching bills.
Swisscom have a little publicized fee that they charge (CHF 5.-, looks like this might now be 9.-) monthly which significantly reduces your international roaming charges when abroad. I don't have numbers, but give their hot line a call on 0800 556464 to see what the deal is, or search for "Data transmission abroad" on the Swisscom website.
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Old 01.07.2009, 11:35
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

I hope someone can help me. I want to mount my iPhone in my car to play downloaded music through my car stereo and use the new navigon application I have just purchased also through the cars speakers. I would ideally like to combine this with wireless hands free so I can make and answer calls. I have found a few kits through the Apple store but really don't know what I'm doing when it comes to technology. I am happy to spend what it takes to make it work well but I do not fancy walking into a store clueless and getting ripped off for unneccessary stuff.

My other question is the solutions I have seen require my car to have a 3.5 mm auxiliary port. How the hell do I know if my car has this?? My car is a Honda Civic Type S (2008) if that sheds any light on the situation.....

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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

If you have this port then it should be visible on the front of your car radio. I think only the newer models have this port. You can also go to a dealer to have a port like this fitted to your radio if you don't already have one.
With this port you can buy a cable (very cheap) at MedaMakt that connects directly with the port on the top of your iPhone.
Do not bother with the connections that play through your radio station frequencies - these are useless and also I think illegal in Switzerland.
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Old 01.07.2009, 11:56
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

I have a sign on the stereo which reads MP3 so I thought I would be able to uncover some kind of port to attach it to with the cable but I can't seem to uncover it and am afraid to use brute force for fear of damaging the faschia. I've searched the internet to try and find a pic of the interior of the car so I can post it here but no luck so far. You'd have thought they'd make these things simple for us dumb technophobes!!!!!
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Old 01.07.2009, 12:08
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Swisscom have a little publicized fee that they charge (CHF 5.-, looks like this might now be 9.-) monthly which significantly reduces your international roaming charges when abroad. I don't have numbers, but give their hot line a call on 0800 556464 to see what the deal is, or search for "Data transmission abroad" on the Swisscom website.
I find it to be rather well publicized:

http://www.swisscom-mobile.ch/scm/wo...n_flex-de.aspx

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Old 01.07.2009, 12:10
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I have a sign on the stereo which reads MP3 so I thought I would be able to uncover some kind of port to attach it to with the cable but I can't seem to uncover it and am afraid to use brute force for fear of damaging the faschia. I've searched the internet to try and find a pic of the interior of the car so I can post it here but no luck so far. You'd have thought they'd make these things simple for us dumb technophobes!!!!!
More than likely means you can burn MP3s to a CD and play that in your car. A port will be obvous on the front of the stereo or at the back in which case you will need a professional fitter to put the cable in, unless you want to try and reassemble your dash on your own. In my experience getting the dash and stereo out is NEVER a problem, putting it all back, not so much.
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I have a sign on the stereo which reads MP3 so I thought I would be able to uncover some kind of port to attach it to with the cable but I can't seem to uncover it and am afraid to use brute force for fear of damaging the faschia. I've searched the internet to try and find a pic of the interior of the car so I can post it here but no luck so far. You'd have thought they'd make these things simple for us dumb technophobes!!!!!
The MP3 sign usually just means that the CD player in your stereo will play MP3 CD's in addition to the normal audio CD's.

Many new radios do have an aux(iliary) in(put) ... and that's what you would need to connect your iPhone.
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Old 01.07.2009, 12:28
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Hi Mimi, I would burn MP3 CDs for your car and leave the iPhone for navigation and making calls. The iPhone is a great convergence device, but trying to make calls, use the satnav and listen to music (possibly at the same time) will really push it to its limits.

Your car already has a pretty advanced feature (MP3 CD support) and so if you have your music nicely arranged in iTunes, all you need to do is creat a playlist (called car or something) and drag the music you want into that playlist. Make sure the playlist contains less than ~700MB since thats the capacity of a CDROM, and then click click Burn Playlist and specify an MP3 CD as opposed to an Audio CD. Technically the music should sound better coming from an MP3 CD than if you were feeding it from your iPhone thru an Aux port on your stereo.

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Old 01.07.2009, 12:38
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Mel,

These are often (if not on the radio itself) in the Glove Box or in a tray/storage area in the centre console.

My Ford has it in the Glove Box, But the UK Brochure (http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/_assets/...ivic_TypeS.pdf)
for your car shows this socket next to the cigarette power socket in the storage area in the centre console (Page 9 and 10 of this PDF)

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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Mimi1981. Playing music from CDs is not always a good experience but obvoiously the quick fix here.
Better you buy a TomTom navigation system.
Have your iPhone jack plug fitted by an expert.
Play your songs from your iPhone. You can have over 2500 CD qulaity songs on your iPhone.
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Old 01.07.2009, 15:21
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I find it to be rather well publicized:

http://www.swisscom-mobile.ch/scm/wo...n_flex-de.aspx

Also, as pointed out in other threads - this option will reduce the per / mb rate but will at the same time raise the billing intervals to 300kb junks. Meaning any data package that's less than 300kb (which is pretty much every e-mail) will be billed as 300kb. This effectively means that each e-mail you receive or send will cost you 1 CHF.

For 99% of the people using their phones abroad the 5 CHF option will double or triple their roaming charges rather than reducing them, so be careful here. The option's only good for notebook users who download larger amount of data. It's a rip-off for cell-phone users where only small junks of data are transmitted at a time.

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Old 01.07.2009, 15:33
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

^^ good info there peter.

those conniving [insert curse word of choice here].
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Old 01.07.2009, 20:46
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

Thanks for the info so far, and basically taking my iphone to France for 2 months will well and truely put my financial t1ts in the mangle
What about using Mama G's Swisscom sim, as that got all sorts of weird and wonderful bits (if she wanted a Balckberry etc) would simply taking my Swisscom sim out and puttting hers in work?
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Old 03.07.2009, 10:22
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

I just found out how to type letters with diacritics (ö, è, etc.). Just tap and hold the letter and a row of variants will appear.



I'm an iPhone newbie, so sorry if this is already common knowledge.
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No worries Dodger, took me a while to figure that one out too!
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Thanks for the info so far, and basically taking my iphone to France for 2 months will well and truely put my financial t1ts in the mangle
What about using Mama G's Swisscom sim, as that got all sorts of weird and wonderful bits (if she wanted a Balckberry etc) would simply taking my Swisscom sim out and puttting hers in work?
It should work. Just pop it in and see if you can make a call.

I'm wondering when Europe will get tired of paying 2-3x as much for calls and data at home, and 10x as much for the same land area coverage while "roaming" as they do in the US. It's really outrageous. Roaming charges between US states were eliminated at least 10 years ago. That means I can have a plan in NY and make a phone call in LA for the same rate. In Switzerland, you can drive 2 hours in any direction, make a phone call, and your wallet is suddenly on fire.

That's not to mention the complete absence of unlimited data plans for cell phones in Switzerland. 10r/20kb- Are we stupid?
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Old 04.07.2009, 16:48
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I'm wondering when Europe will get tired of paying 2-3x as much for calls and data at home, and 10x as much for the same land area coverage while "roaming" as they do in the US.

The situation is hardly the same here - the US states form a country. The EU states are a (very) loose arrangement of individual countries with many different forms of government, different economies and a plethora of different companies. It'll be at least another 20-30 years until mobile communication is unified throughout the EU (which Switzerland isn't even a member of) - right now there's no legal background to even attempt that.

Apart from that: yes, roaming charges are very high here. But we're most certainly not paying 2-3x times as much for calls and data here. Have you recently checked AT&Ts prices for the iPhone? 1st of all, the iPhone itself costs more in the US. AT&T charges at least 299$ for the 32gb version. Here it's 199 CHF for the 32gb version with Swisscom's liberty grande - that's about half as much as in the US. Subscriptions start at 70$ per month (that's 39$ for the smallest voice plan plus 30$ for the necessary data plan). For that you get unlimited data and 450min included but no included SMS, no tethering (not available yet, will cost another 20-30$ per month in addition once it's there) and no MMS.

Orange charges 39 CHF / month for their entry level plan. That includes unlimited calling to 3 fixnet or orange numbers, 1gb of data (I don't know anyone who every used more than that, seriously), 30min of talk time to all Swiss mobile networks, all Swiss fixnet numbers, almost all European fixnet numbers, all US and Canadian fixnet and mobile numbers and if you subscribe right now you get unlimited calls for evenings and weekends.

That's a crapload cheaper than the US tariffs, if you ask me.

Swisscom's charges more for the grande package but has 50Rp / hour rates to all landlines and Swisscom mobile phones - which may still turn out a lot cheaper for most people than AT&T's 450min deal. Also, Swisscom's 3G and EDGE network beats the crap out of AT&T's. Ever been to rural America? It's easy to offer unlimited data if you can only use that in 10% of the country.

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Old 04.07.2009, 20:26
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Re: The iPhone 3G thread and FAQ

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That's a crapload cheaper than the US tariffs, if you ask me.

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Whoa, just a minute. This is exactly the propaganda that keeps the rates high here, and most of the European carriers are owned by the same handful of conglomerates, yet their subdivisions are what allow them to feign competition and non-cooperation. Tmobile and Orange are everywhere, and they still charge roaming on their own networks.

I'm actually shocked to hear someone defend Swiss tariffs. But let's take a look at the difference between the best US and the best Swiss tariffs. First a couple of things- I'm hardly just talking about iPhone plans, though my jailbroken phone can can use Tmobile in the US too, so let's not limit this to AT&T. Second, I lived in rural USA half of my life, and Data is plentiful there. It may not be 3G everywhere. But if you get a voice signal, you get data.

The problem with comparing is with the fact that all incoming calls on Swiss cell plans are free. So let's say half your calls are incoming, to be fair. And since there's no way to compare the 50rp per call to anything, since that's 50rp per hour but also 50rp per minute if your call is one minute long (most of my calls are a couple minutes long), let's just look at the per minute tarrif of the other calls, including the tarrif to other carriers and fixed network. Oh, it is 50rp per minute. At least Orange and Sunrise are a little more reasonable on this, between 25 and 45rp per minute. If we average that with free incoming calls (x.5), that's between 12 and 22rp per minute. And Data, if you really use it (I know plenty of people who use way more than 1gig- just look at this thread to find more) is waaaaaaay to expensive. Sunrise charges 10rp/20kb. And that's not to mention the monthly subscription price of CHF40-120 that gets you very few included minutes. Please, 30 minutes? Remember, if you make more calls outside the network, you're paying significantly more than the monthly fee.

In the US, let's start with AT&T. You cited the worst deal, with 450 minute plan. But still that breaks down to $.08 per minute. With the 1350 minute plan, it's $.05 per minute. And that's with unused minute rolling over. Sprint and Verizon are even cheaper. And all have free nights and weekends. And it doesn't matter if the calls are to another carrier or landline, the price is the same. And all the data plans for all carriers are unlimited, anywhere from $15 to $40 per month. How can you compare that to a 1GB cap and 10rp/MB at best?

Swiss carriers might be cheaper under their advertised "ideal" imaginary circumstances. But who makes 1hr long phone calls from their mobile? And why can I get unlimited data from a Laptop dongle but not from a cell phone SIM? What happens when I go over my data limit? And what happens when I use the pitiful included call time? Suddenly the deceptive low monthly subscription price is hugely inflated.

The bottom line is that US carriers offer more freedom and flexibility for much less money, over 10million sq km. You don't have to constantly worry if you're using too much data, or if your iPhone is checking email too often, or what network someone is on before you call, or whether to leave a voicemail. It's all included. Swiss carriers have so many different prices for each service that it's impossible to decipher. And don't even get me started about the cost of SMS and MMS.

My 2-3x was actually being generous. The EU and Swiss carriers can't keep trying to convice us that their technology is new, or that they have real costs that justify high prices. Somebody is getting rich here, and the consumer is getting ripped off. There's no real competition, as usual.

Nothing personal, but I just can't stand this idea that we're supposed to limit our lifestyle to match what the market offers. You can argue that I shouldn't be using my mobile so much, or that 1GB of data should be enough, but that's not really the point, is it?

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