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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

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Just to confuse matters, I think that the term American is less often used when referring to people from Hawaii or Alaska though.
Not among Americans.
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

I guess I just don't understand why ANYONE would really give a hoo whether people from the USA are referred to as "Americans" or "US Americans."

Besides, it's not like the word "American" really has a very nice connotation at this point. I wouldn't blame Mexicans, Canadians, etc. etc. if they actually were offended if someone called them an "American."
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Old 12.06.2011, 23:10
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

I guess for me it is that I find it absurd that people want to be so PC as to call people from the US "USians" or something equally odd, when they're just...Americans.
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I guess I just don't understand why ANYONE would really give a hoo whether people from the USA are referred to as "Americans" or "US Americans."

Besides, it's not like the word "American" really has a very nice connotation at this point. I wouldn't blame Mexicans, Canadians, etc. etc. if they actually were offended if someone called them an "American."
For that reason my US friend put a CA flag on his backpack when he was traveling, so people would leave him alone.

I reread this today, reminded me this discussion.
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(I will grant you that calling Lake Michigan "The All American Lake" is awfully pretentious.)
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I don't know anyone who actually calls it that, but I'm not from an area that borders on Lake Michigan. Those who refer to it as this are probably doing so from the standpoint of the fact that all the other Great Lakes are shared with our Hat.
I grew up and lived in the Chicago area for more than 30 years and never heard Lake Michigan called that, but I agree with KF as to why it might be called that.
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

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Pointless exercise, all I am trying to say is that US Americans do not have exclusive access to that title. If you don't believe me , do some research into the meaning of the word/term "American".
While that may be true academically, it is not true in practice. Nobody from outside USA self-identifies as "American", which de facto leaves "American" to mean peoplefrom USA specifically. Additionally, the entire world refers to people from USA as Americans.

Now, if you are talking to geographers, the matter is totally different. But that is a specific context and lingo, not at all the same as everyday (i.e. political/nationalistic) context.
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While that may be true academically, it is not true in practice. Nobody from outside USA self-identifies as "American", which de facto leaves "American" to mean peoplefrom USA specifically. Additionally, the entire world refers to people from USA as Americans.

Now, if you are talking to geographers, the matter is totally different. But that is a specific context and lingo, not at all the same as everyday (i.e. political/nationalistic) context.

Agreed. It has nothing to do with the logical use of historical root words (any language has tons of these which are theoretically wrong, but the used-language has adopted different meanings, it's accepted), it has to do with a language being a means for humans to communicate with each other. If you aren't using 'American' as a reference people of the US you will not be communicating properly.
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While that may be true academically, it is not true in practice. Nobody from outside USA self-identifies as "American", which de facto leaves "American" to mean peoplefrom USA specifically. Additionally, the entire world refers to people from USA as Americans.

Now, if you are talking to geographers, the matter is totally different. But that is a specific context and lingo, not at all the same as everyday (i.e. political/nationalistic) context.
Source please ?

Americans are from America. US Americans are from US of America.
I guess I was taught properly free from US influence.

It's very simple to me, the US are trying to usurp that word. It makes their life easier and remains in sync with the blinkered approach to the world outside their borders. Europeans are from Europe, Americans are from America. Not all Europeans are French, not all Americans are from the US.

Of course, I am backed up by most of the references for the word "American". What are your sources please ? Wishful thinking perhaps.
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

I used to be a US-American.

Then I was was a Swiss-American.

Now, I'm just Swiss.

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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

Can't you just simply use term Yank or Gringo to simplify the petty argument about semantics.
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

American...

OED: 2. A native of America of European descent; esp a citizen of the United States

Collins: 4. A native or citizen of the US

Fowler: English speakers outside North America usually call the United States 'America' and its inhabitants 'Americans'. (So does everyone in the United States from the President downwards.)

... and I don't think Dr Johnson was talking about Mexicans when he said:

"I am willing to love all mankind, except an American"
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Old 13.06.2011, 22:26
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

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OED: 2. A native of America of European descent; esp a citizen of the United States

Collins: 4. A native or citizen of the US

Fowler: English speakers outside North America usually call the United States 'America' and its inhabitants 'Americans'. (So does everyone in the United States from the President downwards.)

Anyone care to argue with those sources?
So, as I am no longer a US citizen, am I still an American (being a native of European descent)?

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Source please ?

Americans are from America. US Americans are from US of America.
I guess I was taught properly free from US influence.

It's very simple to me, the US are trying to usurp that word. It makes their life easier and remains in sync with the blinkered approach to the world outside their borders. Europeans are from Europe, Americans are from America. Not all Europeans are French, not all Americans are from the US.

Of course, I am backed up by most of the references for the word "American". What are your sources please ? Wishful thinking perhaps.
I looked up the word American in several dictionaries, including Oxford English Dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, etc. Each one had the first definition of American as someone from the USA or relating to the USA.

The UN uses American to refer to those from the USA. Example article

So what sources are you using?
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I looked up the word American in several dictionaries, including Oxford English Dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, etc. Each one had the first definition of American as someone from the USA or relating to the USA.
So, am I still an American despite no longer being a US citizen?

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So, as I am no longer a US citizen, am I still an American (being a native of European descent)?
In America (and, yes, I do mean the USA, not a continent), if an Italian moves to the country and becomes a naturalized citizen and gives up their Italian citizenship, most people would still call this person an Italian, despite their citizenship.

Based on that, I'd say you're still an American, as that is your immediate cultural heritage.
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Re: Correct term - is it Americans or US Americans?

upzehatters, you really seem to have a problem, no?

Maybe 143 can help ... not sure if they speak Engrish.
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American...

OED: 2. A native of America of European descent; esp a citizen of the United States

Collins: 4. A native or citizen of the US

Fowler: English speakers outside North America usually call the United States 'America' and its inhabitants 'Americans'. (So does everyone in the United States from the President downwards.)

... and I don't think Dr Johnson was talking about Mexicans when he said:

"I am willing to love all mankind, except an American"
Herr piglet (nice avatar, btw), please do not let the facts get into the way of a fun (UTH) argument.
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In America (and, yes, I do mean the USA, not a continent), if an Italian moves to the country and becomes a naturalized citizen and gives up their Italian citizenship, most people would still call this person an Italian, despite their citizenship.

Based on that, I'd say you're still an American, as that is your immediate cultural heritage.
Are you ignoring the whole "hyphenated American" topic?

An Italian moves to the US and he becomes an Italian-American.

Etc.
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In America (and, yes, I do mean the USA, not a continent), if an Italian moves to the country and becomes a naturalized citizen and gives up their Italian citizenship, most people would still call this person an Italian, despite their citizenship.

Based on that, I'd say you're still an American, as that is your immediate cultural heritage.
Interesting, but I view myself as a Swiss with American roots!

Now, here's a tough one. I have some friends, they moved from Italy to California as babies, then moved back to Italy as teenagers. They are not US citizens, nor do they green cards, but they only speak English to each other (this is true, not hypothetical).

So, are they Americans?

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