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Old 30.12.2009, 12:31
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Collapse - The beginning of the end

I would encourage people to watch this documentary/interview with Michael Ruppert. Whether you think he's a crackpot or a wise old sage, it makes you think.

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Old 30.12.2009, 12:55
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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

A bit more radical thoughts than Marc Faber's or Jim Rogers'. Same line of thinking. Views that I do share. There are lots of **** coming in our way.

A bit spectacular though but anyway, he has to sell the movie and make a buck.

Jim Rogers' recomends: become a Farmer! (minute 7:00)

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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

Yep; I always read and listen to Marc Faber as I thought very similar to him before I knew he existed.

I think there will be a few shocks in the UK; Southern Ireland etc in 2010.
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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

Shocks or not but I am expecting one more BIG BOOM.. before a final bust, or maybe 2 because the present "mess" is still salvage-able.

Also we would need to have a war on one more front too, last days of Roman Empire?
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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

Just be sure to take a couple of anti-depressants before watching this movie - it is far from comfortable viewing. That said, many of the issues it raises should be being discussed, and tackled, much more widely,
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Old 30.12.2009, 13:37
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That said, many of the issues it raises should be being discussed, and tackled, much more widely,
I think a lot of us are in the denial stage (according to the Kubler-Ross model).
  • Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.
  • Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.
  • Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.
  • Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.
  • Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.
  • Testing stage: Seeking realistic solutions.
  • Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.
And where we need to be is at the Acceptance stage and understand that its still not too late to influence the inevitable.
Looking around its quite evident that metrics such as standard of living, quality of life, disposable income etc.. are all on the decline here in the West so this may quite literally be as good as it gets. The engine of growth for the last century has been oil and it is astounding just how dependent we are on it, not just for energy but for spin-off petro-chemicals e.g. agro chemicals, medicines, plastics etc.. As Ruppert says for every car it takes 7 gallons of oil to make one single tyre, and that same calculation could be used for many other things e.g. it takes 10 calories of fossil fuel energy to generate and transport each calorie of food to the supermarket.
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Shocks or not but I am expecting one more BIG BOOM.. before a final bust, or maybe 2 because the present "mess" is still salvage-able.

Also we would need to have a war on one more front too, last days of Roman Empire?
OK; Mr Wisdom; How is it salvagable (Use UK for your explanation) apart from the people of the Uk understanding that it needs to become like a third world country?
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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

Obamaggedon and the sugar-highs (which is what we have now)



I agree with another poster above, this will get worse.
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Old 31.12.2009, 16:33
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Re: Collapse - The beginning of the end

hmm...great topic for last day of the year huh? I'm sure it is going to get uglier next year and 2011. What amazes me is that people are taking it in the rear and you are not hearing/seeing protests on large scale. I mean US needs almost a revolution to get the country away from special interest groups etc etc....
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hmm...great topic for last day of the year huh? I'm sure it is going to get uglier next year and 2011. What amazes me is that people are taking it in the rear and you are not hearing/seeing protests on large scale. I mean US needs almost a revolution to get the country away from special interest groups etc etc....
I actually expect that there could be a bit of uncivil rest in the Uk at the back end of 2010, early 2011 which will be caused by unemployment.

I think the USA and the UK will just keep printing money because it has no other choice.
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I think a lot of us are in the denial stage (according to the Kubler-Ross model).
  • Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.
  • Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.
  • Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.
  • Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.
  • Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.
  • Testing stage: Seeking realistic solutions.
  • Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.
And where we need to be is at the Acceptance stage and understand that its still not too late to influence the inevitable.
Looking around its quite evident that metrics such as standard of living, quality of life, disposable income etc.. are all on the decline here in the West so this may quite literally be as good as it gets. The engine of growth for the last century has been oil and it is astounding just how dependent we are on it, not just for energy but for spin-off petro-chemicals e.g. agro chemicals, medicines, plastics etc.. As Ruppert says for every car it takes 7 gallons of oil to make one single tyre, and that same calculation could be used for many other things e.g. it takes 10 calories of fossil fuel energy to generate and transport each calorie of food to the supermarket.
i don't quite agree with your stages and also think that it isn't possible to change the inevitable collapse.

However, I believe as individuals we can prepare to protect ourselves and our family. My move to Switzerland was just one of the things I did to try and improve my position (although to be fair, Switzerland has it's vulnerabilities).
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My woman can kill, skin and dress a rabbit.

I'll be ok.
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I actually expect that there could be a bit of uncivil rest in the Uk at the back end of 2010, early 2011 which will be caused by unemployment.

I think the USA and the UK will just keep printing money because it has no other choice.
Agree on the civil unrest in the UK. I think that the UK has almost reached the limit of what the markets will tolerate in terms of money printing. It's a scandal that these extraordinary measures have been taken to fund govt spending at current rates and that the govt isn't already heavily cutting back just to curry favour ahead of the election.

The timing of the election/crisis is probably the worst possible combination in terms of fking up the UK economy.
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hmm...great topic for last day of the year huh? I'm sure it is going to get uglier next year and 2011. What amazes me is that people are taking it in the rear and you are not hearing/seeing protests on large scale. I mean US needs almost a revolution to get the country away from special interest groups etc etc....
People have been slowly dumbed down now for decades, what can you expect from a population that is largely apathetic and only interested in shallow pleasures.
With people looking only to themselves a revolution will just not happen, lessons learned by your cooperate masters in 68.
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I'll be ok.
It'll certainly provide some variety from the kebabs and roast dinners...

...but will it really help the economy in any significant way?

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gulp .....whats she like with hares ?
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With people looking only to themselves a revolution will just not happen, lessons learned by your cooperate masters in 68.
I do not think that past generations were that much more enlightened. People always looked mainly at themselves. Revolutions happened when they really did not like what they see (for their personal situation or future...).
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I do not think that past generations were that much more enlightened. People always looked mainly at themselves. Revolutions happened when they really did not like what they see (for their personal situation or future...).

there is plenty not to like these days.. I mean show me something positive general public can actually loof forward to? well I guess there is the media and politicians keeping everyone dumb, fat and happy...that is a powerfull way of keeping revolutions/unrest from happening...I personally think that sh!t has not yet really hit the fan...
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I would encourage people to watch this documentary/interview with Michael Ruppert. Whether you think he's a crackpot or a wise old sage, it makes you think.

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You don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to be faster than the slowest camper.
I was snorkeling in Magens Bay St Thomas on my own. I couldn't see many much so I decided to venture out of the booned area. I was afraid to go further out but met two women who said to stay with them they were experienced snorkellers. The water was gritty churned up, but the fish were getting bigger and more plentiful. I saw a flash of silver took a good look at the shape and realized it was a barracuda. I had flashy jewelry on which may have attracted it. The other woman panicked we surfaced and she screamed "barracuda". I swam as fast as I could still stupidly trying to suck air through the snorkel. My main thought was just get ahead of the other two, so that it will get them first.
When I got back to shore I thought "where the hell did that thought come from" Then I climbed a tree to photo a massive Iguana. The fear of the barracuda passed but the memory of my reaction still disturbs me.

I'll watch the documentary, then go to the gym- better stay fit!
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there is plenty not to like these days.. I mean show me something positive general public can actually loof forward to? well I guess there is the media and politicians keeping everyone dumb, fat and happy...that is a powerfull way of keeping revolutions/unrest from happening...I personally think that sh!t has not yet really hit the fan...
Population has become addicted to the governments we have nowdays. This is a brief history of taxes, government intervention and politicians' love for power:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...2802968775678#

Just pass the 1st minute of the introduction to the speaker. Video quality is poor.
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