yeah I wouldn't agree on that method too much either.


This is the recipe for a very unhealthy relationship. Some serious issues will arrive if you intend on having a normal relationship with mind games like this. I agree with never selling yourself short, but some time selling for something different can be very beneficial.

One should never limit dating someone because they're not thought of as good enough. It would be just a good chance to learn someone new and a different point of view. I'm not arrogant enough to think any my views or beliefs are absolute.

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No, it's not a mind game. Its basically a paraphrase of Alison Willcocks, "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back to you, then its yours. If it doesn't, then it never was."

Never ever accept to be second best or second choice in a love relationship. Respect yourself always.

My brother taught me that when I was about 14 - best advice I was ever given. Perhaps the best bit of advice I ever tried to pass on to students, especially girls- as a Secondary school teacher.

Once again you point out very well what I mean:
Not all men are @ssholes and not all women marry with the sole purpose to stab the heart out of him and take all his money for crying out loud.
Only very bitter people must think this way.

Interesting... sort of...
I don't see the point in men-bashing like that, after all, women also go through pre-adults period. I can speak for my self; what a fool I was at the age of 18 and my early 20's. Now I can see my 18 year old sister doing exactly the same as I did. I want to shake her and talk her out of it, but I guess she has to go through it herself to learn how life works *sigh*.
This book goes well with pink-media-philosophy, written by "experts", "teaching" other women all about men, how men are and what men think... In the garbage can. Why not ask men these questions? Or why not just stop eating up what others tell you how to be and just be yourself?

I did noticed while googling Cosmos cover pages, that almost every single one of them has "sex" on the cover page. I'm sure miss Hymowitz would find that interesting.

Last but not least; why is she talking shit about StarWars?

Football, and I speak here about the innocent amateurs, should not be business primarily but first of all pleasure and enjoyment. The disastrous financial results of professional CH football teams over the past 50 years clearly show that, with exceptions, those "super" teams do not attract enough fans to be commercially viable really. The two exceptions, at least to some extent, may be Young Boys of Bern and FCB of Basel. This is why the idea to merge GC and FCZ into one is increasingly finding approval in Zurich.

Love football, but really I do find this debate interesting to read for all that is openly said and all that is unconsciously suggested.
T'would be a pity if it became a ballgame debate

I stumbled across this and thought it might make for some good reading.
Most women will hate it. Thoughtful, intelligent, and introspective women will laugh wryly at the truths contained in this list. It’s a long list.

• If you think all men are pigs, expect to live alone when you get older.
• Prince Charming is gay
• Rich, attractive, nice – you can only pick two when dealing with single men.
• If you ask a man on a first date how much he earns or what kind of car he drives, he gets to look at your bare breasts while you are still in the restaurant.
• If you answer your cell phone during a first date, he has the right to immediately get up and leave with no explanation.
• Choosy and “stuck up” are closely related.
• If you expect a man to pay for everything, you’ll need a strong jaw and a good tongue.
• Perfect men don’t exist. Good men are everywhere.
• The karmic retribution for putting good men into the FriendZone while getting hurt by bad boys is to become bitter, angry, and the owner of at least three cats.
• You are not a princess no matter what your T-Shirt states. If you really think you are a princess, then you’d better have the body of a stripper, the face of an angel, and the personality of a saint. Even so, only Prince Charming can marry a princess and Prince Charming is gay.
• Your single girlfriends don’t want you to have a happy relationship with a man, that’s why they’re single and always telling you to “never settle”. Consider this when listening to their advice.
• A man won’t say “I love you” until he is 100% confident that you won’t use this against him. This might take years, be patient because men can be sensitive, too.
• Taking the time to look your best is not optional. After all, if you can catch his eye then you can catch his heart. Being agreeable, pleasant, and happy will seal the deal.
• Smiles and laughter are contagious and can melt any man’s heart.
• The unintended consequence of independence is loneliness.
• Excessive complaining is neither attractive nor polite.
• You are entitled to nothing. However, you can expect rewards for working hard for something.
• Before you say “it’s all his fault” after a bad date, look closely in the mirror.
• It’s not always men making you unhappy. Don’t let bitter women convince you of that.
• Being strong doesn’t mean being bitchy. Wise women have known this for generations.
• You can’t have it all. Please have the good sense to realize this.
• Compromise is not surrender, it’s what is necessary to have a good relationship.
• Don’t expect men to fall all over you just because you are a woman. Men have learned Game.
• There’s nothing wrong with looking feminine. Men like it.
• If he doesn’t call you back, it means he’s just not really into you. Deal with it.
• If you meet a man, don’t find reasons to reject him or things to change in him. Find reasons to accept him and respect him.
• The common word in “drink whore” and “dinner whore” is still whore.
• Sorry girl, it’s not all about you so you can change your T-Shirt now and grow up.
• Many men would rather chase women, not girls, so grow up if you don’t want to be single anymore.
• Given the current state of divorce laws, don’t expect any man to marry you. It’s not you, it’s just how things are right now.
• Hanging around gay men won’t give you any useful insights about straight men. Frankly, always hanging around gay men is kind of creepy. Um, they think it’s kind of creepy, too.
• No fat chicks” is the man’s version of “If you’re rich, I’m single”.
• Winning a man is easy, keeping a man requires hard work.
• Advertising “Bitch” on your T-Shirt or sweatpants won’t get you any dates. No man cares for that attitude.
• Deferring self-gratification is a sign of maturity. You can wait until dinner even if you’re hungry now.
• The real world is pushy, rude, and often unpleasant. That doesn’t mean you have to be the same way.
• If you dress like a whore, expect to be treated like a whore.

Nice to meet a man who is not bitter at all.
Good luck for the future, you are bound to find HER.

Yay! I am a "thoughtful, intelligent, and introspective" woooo-man because this is something I trot out to my single gfs too:

• If he doesn’t call you back, it means he’s just not really into you. Deal with it.

Gosh, I had quite forgotten about this thread! However, I am now wondering how the three girlfriends of Paulita have got on with dating in the intervening period.

I was also staggered to see that this thread has been viewed 25,000 odd times!!!! Is that a record??!!

Perhaps an indication that there are many out there still looking for elusive perfection. Are men any better in Malta Nicola? (I'm not looking btw found him in London 1970 and still tog.)

Yes, probably, and we all know that it is very hard to find!!

I can't really comment on the men in Malta () as I am not looking either, being married to a German who I met in London!!!

It's so easy to find a date in Zurich.


They're at Coop, Migros or middle eastern markets.

You wish. The UBS one has nearly three times the views...
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Ahhh, well I think that just goes to show that money is more of an issue with certain elements of the Forumers than dating!!

This is Zurich. Money is basically a prerequisite for dating.

ha ha - true, and not just in Zurich either!!

Come to think of it, Backwards Switzerland must have been up there too??

browsing through the thread and got a headache. Given the different feedbacks, I see big potential for love coaching in Zürich.

or he might just be busy - if you want someone on the end of the phone 24/7, call a chat line.