So motivated by this thread, I decided to finally take a serious stab at this dating thing.

I headed out to the nearest bar (alone of course: cross-thread, how do you like that!) and staked out till I say a pretty young female who looked like she was worth a wooing.

Remembering that women like funny guys I told her: "I was planning to tell you a joke about my penis, but it's too long."

She responded with: "That's such a pity, I was going to tell you a joke about my vagina but you'd never get it."


forever alone.

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I actually agree to most of the points, except
which I think is rubbish created by men and women who are so threatened by independent women that they have to create this kind of philosophy to scare women away from being independent.
This is what I usually use a guideline, but this can be a little tricky since some men are simply scared to death, and what's even worse; guys who have been unsuccessful with women and now live completely by the book of "the game" *shivers*. In that book it is written that they shouldn't call... Now I try to avoid these guys, so I guess this rule works fine for me in any case.

Also, don't forget that many of these bullets can also be transferred to men.

Yeah, if it doesnt say "desperate" on your forehead, that obviously seems to help

I dont agree with this point, for the rest AMEN!

Men are not scared of strong women. Men are not scared of independent women.
That's just women rationalizing to try to protect themselves and justify the choices they've made.

Men are attracted to feminine women. Simple as that.

I don't care whether Cosmo et al. has told women that they have the right to be strong & independent. They have every right to follow that philosophy but men are not obligated to find those traits attractive.

So we can safely conclude that Women cannot suitable guys because they are too intelligent and guys are scared or intimidated by them?

And Men cannot find suitable guys because they are too nice and Women just want bad boys and will rip off any guy who marries them?

Seriously, this is no way to live a life! Its just dignifying the lack of something we really need. All these articles are fun to read for the humour value but should not be taken seriously because humans can be way too complex (especially the female kind) and we do a lot of things for a lot of complicated reasons but at the same time we behave totally different when the circumstances change. Nothing is a fact.

A lot of times what we see in other people is our own reflection, appeal to the good side of the people and you will see good in them. Men should be Gentlemen and the first ones to let go. Women hardly ever want to admit mistakes, there have been times when I got blamed for something the lady did stupid/wrong and I was never even there! I just admit it yes it was my fault or just give a compliment that you are too pretty to have a brain rather than trying to put her down, as I know that she knows that shes in wrong and thats good enough for me. And believe me, next time she will admit her mistakes as she feels comfortable with it. We men dont have to do any such as we never make mistakes

In my observation, the biggest hurdle to having good relationships is playing the defensive and more concerned about "What if it goes wrong" and that does not help. Sometimes we have to take a chance and give it a sincere shot. Let not the past bad experiences influence the future ones. Each day is a new day and each person is a new person. We've all made mistakes and learned and let them be past, no point holding the grudge against the other side. "Life lived in fear is life half lived" and dont listen to pessimistic and unhappy people.

For me, the most beautiful thing in this whole wide Universe is a Woman, and there is nothing they can do to put me off them, except ofcourse cheating, as that is solely for me to do.

P.S. Begga@ If you Groan at me this time then thats it, Im Flouncing!!!

Obviously not all, but many are.
+ strong and independent women can also be feminine. I think I would qualify as one myself.

Begga, should we beg you for that? what are you waiting...

I had the genius idea to start copy-pasting Dervaish's posts from early on in this thread as my own and see how long it took for someone to catch on. But I'm lazy and it's funnier to just talk about it .

Some people are watching

I was never known to have strong Morals or Principles anyway, I will stay. So ...

Thats' great. When I was playing the field back in my late-twenties & early-thirties, that was exactly what I wanted, for casual sex and f-buddies. Those strong, independent feminists rationalized being treated that way as "empowerment".
It's easy for any halfway attractive woman to get a man's attention but can those 30-something "professionals" (from the OP's post) get a high-quality man to commit to a life-long partnership?

I think that over the last few decades the female mass media has sold women this idea that they can "have it all" - the career, the party lifestyle, etc. Then when the biological clock starts ticking, an amazing man is going to appear to provide her with the home & family.
Sorry, but men just don't agree.

Of course, when I settled down, I chose a 25 year-old (ie. at her peak) who's very intelligent, feminine, caring, nurturing, from an intact family herself (ie. expects a marriage to last forever) and fairly traditional in her views. We've been blissfully happy together for 15 years.

Totally agree - and I've been happily married to the same man for near on 40 years. it can work very well, but it does take a very special kind of man, and sadly not enough to go round.

"...and they lived happily ever"
touching story, i almost shed a tear. So where did you find this princess or gem and how did she accept to marry a monster lux_interior

And I'd be willing to bet that you didn't wait until your thirties to snag your special husband?

In the lunch queue at work, funnily enough.
And she literally shed tears of joy when I asked her to marry me.

Sorry to spoil your illusions, but being a tall, arrogant a-hole with a successful career and an penchant for manly pursuits like adventure-sports and motorcycling, is anything but a disadvantage when it comes to meeting women.

Ok, here's the thing - if a guy seems incompetent at stuff, I WILL take over and do a better job. Saves time, soothes the nerves and leads to the desired end result. I act this way with everyone, unless I'm trying to teach them to do something, then I am more patient. So I'm not trying to castrate the guy, I just want things sorted. But no, men take this entirely the wrong way. So what are my options? Either to leave the room while he is making a complete mess of putting together the IKEA shelves OR find someone who is at least at a par on the skills department. My parents taught me to do everything by myself because they didn't want me to have to put up with some f**kwit solely for practical reasons.

I think there are quite a few other Swiss girls like this, maybe it's a backlash from the late women's liberation or whatever, but many of us have been taught not to "need" a man. Make your own money, find your own place, fix your own stuff. This is probably the main problem, men seem to like to be needed, to be the hero. Not to be confused with über-dependent, psycho women who think their world will end if he is not around for five minutes.

In contrast, a lot of Swiss men have been spoiled to bits by their mothers, so while they are "good guys", they are high maintenance and never really say thank you for ironed shirts and cooked food. No wonder more and more women are single, entering into a relationship looks like a very unprofitable enterprise.

If, however, a guy came alone who was more alpha than yours truly plus emotionally stable, I might rethink. No bad spellurs plz.

Don't even know where to start..
I'm utterly gutted by the suggested pretention that it is correct that there should be a difference.

You are quite right on this occasion! Not very hard to calculate, as I did become entitled to my bus pass yesterday.
And yes Kittser, I thank my mil every day. (virtually as she passed away quite a few years ago).

Nah, if he's interested, he calls or contacts you in some other way. I've been on dates with guys who run companies and they found the time to call/e-mail/text the very next day and I've been on a date with a guy on the dole who called after a week with the "I was busy" excuse.