Maybe you are right, but I would also say that things are never as black and white as they seem. My sense of self-worth is much less likely to be endangered by a guy I don't EXPECT to care about me and act in a particularly thoughtful way than by someone I think I can trust acting like a total Berk. And in life, there is always one person who comes first - yourself. Even the most altruistic good folk will not give their last piece of bread to another starving person. Except maybe a parent to their child. So if you are having a relationship with someone and expect to come first, it's not going to happen.

Like I said elsewhere, if most people will simply mess you around, better to be the one who is the affair and knows how things stand than to be the one whose life falls to pieces. Unless you can implement a " Worldwide Sisterhood of Women Who Don't Hurt Other Ladies", in which case I may rethink. Or get burned at the stake.

Congratulations!

Haha, "bunny boilers".

For those too young for that cultural point of reference:

And you totally ignore the fact that schoolgirls, when they were more mature and more attractive than the boys of their age, they just made fun of them, humiliated them, and went for the "cool" older boys?
This is justice, and nothing else.

Wasn't meant to be a religious discussion of who does what, was meant to be a question of what modern society deems acceptable or not in a sense of relationships and marriage.

This founding is based on religious instruction and probably goes against the very foundation of human nature.

Anyone thought how much religions make out of marriages?

Do we really need these religious fools to make that commitment to another person? Do we need them to tell us what is acceptable and what is not?

My answer is I don't think so. I'm capable of making my own decisions in my life and I don't expect others to give me moral guidance.

Ooooh we're into dodgy areas now.

Oh, don't be so bitter. I've got over my bitterness over it.

In a Poker tournament table, it's not any particular hand that must be won, it's the last hand that truly counts.

Quite a lot of civilised behaviour goes against the very foundation of human nature.

I changed this for you, this is part of life so "toughen up"

Well, that just makes me sad. You say that oneself should always come first ... but it would appear that you are perpetually placing yourself as second best.

I can sense that you have been hurt in the past but by continuing to not place a real value you on your own sense of self worth then I fear that you are not allowing yourself to meet a man who truly values you, and you alone.

Okay, let's not talk about religion. We can talk about history.

There was some historical context to monogamy. Society was a mess before it. There are documented social problems occurring in societies that did not practice marriage. Brothers murdered brothers over their wives. Men slept with their mothers. I don't think that is nature either. I believe there was a point in time in some previous society where it was necessary for social order. Now that it is prevalently practiced, it is hard to imagine what use it has. But that is just looking at it in present day context.

Not beeing bitter

About poker, I dont agree, cause if you dont play during the whole game, just sitting on your chips until you have a royal flush, you might win the game, but you havent really had fun, and didnt really play.

Well, that would be me would it not?

...oh yes, and what if the royal flush never comes? then you havent played, havent had fun, and you havent won.. (that would be bad)

That happens today in some US states, with the religious zealots in place. So explain what's the difference. I have a feeling this is more a beer evening conversation...

I was referring to a Texas Hold'em elimination game, where the last player wins.


You got lucky that ONE particular time, and I'm glad we were playing with worthless chips, not pieces clothing.

Although not in the biscuit game

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=biscuit+game

How about:

Knowing who his mommy and daddy are is quite nice for a child when he is growing up.

Does that one work?

So really, it's so hard to find a date because everyone is batsh*t crazy.

It still happens in Islamic cultures, right?

Perhaps it was mainly for Romans and Greeks running around at the time. Perhaps they needed it.

alright, let's not go down the religious path. Those kinds of threads are tiresome.

As a rule of thumb (without taking into account exceptions and miracles) most things in this world follow Nature's laws. If you lay a piece of Iron in damp conditions it will rust, till what it originally was, cannot be recognised. Same goes for one's heart and soul.

Things can always change for the better, unexpectedly but you dont really plan your life on exceptions and rarities.