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Old 05.02.2010, 11:42
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Adobe hits back over Apple’s Flash comments...
I'd be prepared to cut them a lot more slack if there wasn't already a stabler, open alternative on the table. YouTube and Vimeo have already starting implementing HTML 5, and it was announced yesterday that H.264 will remain royalty-free for the next five years. I have a feeling Flash is going to go the same way as Shockwave, as soon as Mozilla jump on board it'll be game over...
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Old 05.02.2010, 11:50
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Doctors are already using pda's and the iphone. if they can slip it in the pocket of their white coat, it's a good thing. You can dictate, read papers and keep a copy of drug reference guides on your pda. If you have a web browser on your pda, you can even access records. (Something that makes hospital information security folk cringe). Many hospitals have laptops or tablet pc's that circulate with the docs on rounds and allow them to update records, receive results and order tests, diagnostics, etc. I guess one advantage of the iPad is the size... bigger to see text and images easier, but still easy to carry... maybe.
I like the dictaphone idea. Should be trivial to record voice.

If you can scribble on it with a stylus, it could easily replace a clipboard. But AFAIR there are only 1000 sensors on the screen. Is that enough to do hand writing?

Compromise for data input has to be the keyboard. I wonder how good the soft keyboard is?

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I have the kindle reader on my iPhone, and it's ok, and I read pdf docs on my iPhone when I'm not near my computer. and iPad would make that much easier. If I could get a version of text to speech working, it would be that much better. Will I get one right away? Nah.
Sppech to text? Not on that CPU I think. And do you want people to hear what you're saying? I wouldn't want to hear it. Even more annoying than a person having a mobile phone conversation. For how long can you keep talking?

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Well if Citrix do this then the ipad might become a lot more useful.

http://community.citrix.com/pages/vi...geId=115343605

It would mean you could have a real desktop OS running on the citrix server and the ipad could become a good thin client.

Also there are already RDP clients for the iphone and so that would provide you another way of doing the same thing.
Thin client is a good idea. Provided input is easy enough. I'm not sold on the soft keyboard, but I haven't tried one yet.

One for my wish list: A touch screen that can raise bumps for tactile feedback.
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Well if Citrix do this then the ipad might become a lot more useful.

http://community.citrix.com/pages/vi...geId=115343605

It would mean you could have a real desktop OS running on the citrix server and the ipad could become a good thin client.

Also there are already RDP clients for the iphone and so that would provide you another way of doing the same thing.

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Except that the Windows OS presented by Citrix isn't designed for a gesture/touch interface.

It might look like getting more out of the tablet device and in a way it is, but it's also hobbling it with clumsiness . . . Apple decided the device didn't need (or wasn't up to) a full OS, but Citrix is second guessing.

Does anyone actually use the RDP client or Citrix 'Receiver' successfully on an iPhone? I mean successfully as in a preferential, productivity use rather than as a last-best-hope-while-in-an-on-call-pickle or just as a one off demo.
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I'd be prepared to cut them a lot more slack if there wasn't already a stabler, open alternative on the table. YouTube and Vimeo have already starting implementing HTML 5, and it was announced yesterday that H.264 will remain royalty-free for the next five years. I have a feeling Flash is going to go the same way as Shockwave, as soon as Mozilla jump on board it'll be game over...
I'm not allowed flash at work, I find it inconvenient, but it's amazing how many sites don't even provide a backup page for users without flash, very shortsighted.

It'll be interesting to see if the combination of iPhone and iPad will get websites moving away from flash for fear of losing customers.
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It'll be interesting to see if the combination of iPhone and iPad will get websites moving away from flash for fear of losing customers.
Possibly Adobe might get their act together and do a security life cycle on Flash.
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Old 05.02.2010, 14:35
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If you can scribble on it with a stylus, it could easily replace a clipboard. But AFAIR there are only 1000 sensors on the screen. Is that enough to do hand writing?
Not unless you plan to carry around a bingo marker as a stylus. Anyway I too think they've missed a trick by not having a pen interface, the reason was probably because they wanted a nice, clean glass screen as opposed to a spongy plastic one.

Having said all that, I'll probably still get one
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For you, its comparable to any of the other Tablet PC's that exist, http://www.pencomputing.com/TabletPC/, however I suspect that unless it has the words Apple and iPad in the title, for you it would not meet the functionality required.
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The near future ?? Would be nice.


Such ugly pieces of equipment. So many buttons and geek trimmings.
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I like the dictaphone idea. Should be trivial to record voice.

If you can scribble on it with a stylus, it could easily replace a clipboard. But AFAIR there are only 1000 sensors on the screen. Is that enough to do hand writing?

Compromise for data input has to be the keyboard. I wonder how good the soft keyboard is?


Sppech to text? Not on that CPU I think. And do you want people to hear what you're saying? I wouldn't want to hear it. Even more annoying than a person having a mobile phone conversation. For how long can you keep talking?
Dictation has been around for a while. Generally these services work by allowing you to dictate the message and then send it electronically, e.g. a wave file, to a transcriptionist or to call a recording device. Either way, the transcriptionist on the other end gets the dictated note, transcribes it, and sends the text (electronic or hard copy) back to the originator for review. The iPhone right now has several applications for dictation but each requires a transcription account.

In the US, you can get an iPhone app created by Nuance, which makes Dragon , a speech to text program. I'd love to try it, but I don't have a US iTunes account. I use Dragon myself for speech to text on my laptop, and it's pretty good, once you've trained it. Because my handwriting is chronically horrible to the point that writing is painful (I am dysgraphic), I type or dictate pretty much anything that I write.

As for listening to another person - well, I would assume that the person doing the dictating would use good sense and do it in private. Not sure about the lenght of time you can dictate - there are apps that let you send 20 -30 second speech to text messages.

Lots of electronic systems for patient record and order entry exist right now, and most of them use touch screen or mouse clicks. One of the ideas with these systems was to get away from idiosyncratic language and poor handwriting which made patient records and orders ambigious and hard to read, and often at risk of being misinterpreted, especially when you have multiple entry points. I don't see anyone giving a doctor an electronic stylus. More a point and click technique.
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I'm not allowed flash at work
but I bet they'll let you do PDF, right? PDFs a fraking ton works than Flash, yet every company seems to like it :-/

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Old 01.04.2010, 10:20
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but I bet they'll let you do PDF, right? PDFs a fraking ton works than Flash, yet every company seems to like it :-/

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They do, and I hate PDF, but so many companies use it for docs and manuals, **** knows why. Most aren't searchable, can't be copied from (probably the favourite selling point) and are slow. Better than getting manuals in Word though.

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I reckon it'll be a huge success, most people with some computer literacy will miss the selling point and insist a cheap laptop is a better alternative.
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Old 01.04.2010, 11:03
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Re: The Apple iPad

I bought the iPhone straight away... and am now on the 3rd Generation iPhone. I'm like Apple products, BUT I'm still undecided about the iPad, mainly because I really wanted just a small Apple Netbook to do some webbrowsing, emailing, watching a video, using it as a backup device for my DSLR pictures when on the move and the occasional programming. I guess I could do most of it with the iPad but not the programming and for transferring images it'll take another device (this stupid camera connector kit). That is all still quite unsatisfying. I might wait for the 2nd generation.... or bite the bullet and buy the far too heavy and expensive mac book. But what's the point? I already have a very powerful iMac. I don't need another powerful machine.

I do agree though that this device will be great for less technical people. But they'll ask the same question, why can't they just have a USB connector to hook up their little digicam to quickly upload or send some pictures via email.

The fact that it doesn't have flash and doesn't do tab browsing is pretty crap. But so was the fact you couldn't copy and paste in the iPhone....... people still loved it.
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Old 01.04.2010, 11:08
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I bought the iPhone straight away... and am now on the 3rd Generation iPhone. I'm like Apple products, BUT I'm still undecided about the iPad, mainly because I really wanted just a small Apple Netbook to do some webbrowsing, emailing, watching a video, using it as a backup device for my DSLR pictures when on the move and the occasional programming. I guess I could do most of it with the iPad but not the programming and for transferring images it'll take another device (this stupid camera connector kit). That is all still quite unsatisfying. I might wait for the 2nd generation.... or bite the bullet and buy the far too heavy and expensive mac book. But what's the point? I already have a very powerful iMac. I don't need another powerful machine.

I do agree though that this device will be great for less technical people. But they'll ask the same question, why can't they just have a USB connector to hook up their little digicam to quickly upload or send some pictures via email.

The fact that it doesn't have flash and doesn't do tab browsing is pretty crap. But so was the fact you couldn't copy and paste in the iPhone....... people still loved it.
It kind of has tabbed browsing, same idea as the iPhone:



Totally agree re USB connector, typical Apple idiosyncratic approach to interfaces. That's one of the reasons I'm going to be holding off to see what comes in later versions.

I'd be willing to bet it'll never have Flash though, although for me this is a good thing as I hate it. Good to see that some major sites are alreading moving across to H.264/HTML5 implementation. As I said elsewhere, I reckon once Mozilla wakes up and gets behind this, we'll see Flash go the same way as Shockwave and the like.
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I really wanted just a small Apple Netbook to do some webbrowsing, emailing, watching a video, using it as a backup device for my DSLR pictures when on the move and the occasional programming.
Except for the programming bit, this is exactly why the ipad is appealing to me. It does all of the above without the "baggage" of having a laptop.
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I reckon it'll be a huge success, most people with some computer literacy will miss the selling point and insist a cheap laptop is a better alternative.
I'm computer literate and an Apple user (is that an oxymoron ), and I must say I do seem to have missed the point with this thing. Personally I would have preferred Apple to have released a small "Netbook" type thing that runs the full OS X. I could use that, but I really cannot see how this iPad would fit with what I do.

Maybe when I've seen it I'll change my mind, but at the moment it seems that it's just the wrong product for me. That said I can see where others could get get some milage out of it, but it doesn't stop me thinking it's a bit of a gimmick.
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I'm computer literate and an Apple user (is that an oxymoron ), and I must say I do seem to have missed the point with this thing. Personally I would have preferred Apple to have released a small "Netbook" type thing that runs the full OS X. I could use that, but I really cannot see how this iPad would fit with what I do.
It won't, it's not aimed at you, that's the point. I won't be getting one either.

Saying that, there's a chance it could get some very specialised apps taking advantage of the touch screen, in which case, I might get interested.
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what's wrong with PDF?
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what's wrong with PDF?

Surely you jest? That hated link that suddenly freezes your browser without warning.

Put it another way, what's good about it?
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They do, and I hate PDF, but so many companies use it for docs and manuals, **** knows why.
You can guarantee the look of the document, across platforms and there's a free and widely distributed client. Not so difficult to understand . . .
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You can guarantee the look of the document, across platforms and there's a free and widely distributed client. Not so difficult to understand . . .
So it's good for marketing shots and advertising. Browsers are also widely available, cross platform and free and have useful features like search.
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