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Old 27.04.2010, 15:56
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True multitasking is coming with OS 4.0, out in autumn for the iPad (at the bottom of the page).

http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/
unfotunately no - there's still not true multitasking in iPhone OS 4. Only a couple of core services are allowed to run in the background (namely GPS, VoIP and music). Whole apps are still not allowed to keep running in the BG. They're allowed to stay active for a short period of time to finish some calculation work or to send data out before they're closed - but that's it. If you switch from Twitter to your e-Mail client, Twitter is closed. just like now :-/
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unfotunately no - there's still not true multitasking in iPhone OS 4. Only a couple of core services are allowed to run in the background (namely GPS, VoIP and music). Whole apps are still not allowed to keep running in the BG. They're allowed to stay active for a short period of time to finish some calculation work or to send data out before they're closed - but that's it. If you switch from Twitter to your e-Mail client, Twitter is closed. just like now :-/
That doesn't exactly match my understanding of it. As far as I can tell, the app will not close when you switch away from it, rather it will stay active but in the background. It will still be running in a limited fashion, allowing it to be called again when it's needed and resume in its previous state. The only time it will be truly quit is if the OS runs low on RAM, in which case it will quit background apps as needed to allow the foreground apps to continue to run.

I agree it's not true multi-tasking in the desktop OS sense of the word, but to use your example of switching from Twitter to email, Twitter will continue to be an active, background app unless / until the system runs out of RAM to support those in the foreground. At least, that's my reading of the situation.
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Old 27.04.2010, 16:15
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Re: The Apple iPad

well, against better judgment I ordered an iPad last week (via eBay, from the US). It arrived yesterday. I spent all evening playing with it and some time during the breaks today. All I can say is: I'll play with it until the weekend and then give it to my wife. It's really not that useful - while I want to like it, I really don't know what to do with it. It's a decent eBook reader but my Kindle is better (much longer battery life, less eye-strain because it's not glossy, dictionary look-ups, free worldwide 3G included etc.). It's a decent video player but my notebook is (much) better - it's hard to see anything on it on the train because the screen is overly reflective.

I like some of the apps - the newspapers look great, stunning even - but then I get my news from Google News and Google reader. The lack of multitasking is highly annoying. So is the fact that you don't have any kind of file-system access outside of particular apps. To illustrate this: I can upload files (texts, videos etc.) to the device using an App called goodreader. That works great. Good reader sees the apps, I can read them etc. But it can't edit them. So I purchased a word processor called "Pages" (made by Apple). However, docs uploaded in good reader are only visible in good reader - and nowhere else. So when I open Pages, it won't show any docs on the device :-/ Good Reader has Dropbox integration - but what good does it do if I can't edit the files in Pages? If you want to have Pages show your files, you have to upload them using iTunes - and there goes your Dropbox support.

The iPad certainly is an "interesting" device. But "interesting" as in "that's an interesting stain on your pants" - rather than "I'd like to know more about it".

I'd advice against buying the non-3G version. It's really kind of pointless to have a device that completely and utterly depends on the internet without having internet access when you need it most: on the go.

Also, I can't believe the hype this thing is still causing. I'm generally among the first people to get new gadgets. But never has anyone stepped up to me on the train and asked if he can see the device I was just using. Three times in one morning. Considering that I really don't know what's to like about the iPad, this is kind of a joke.

Apart from the device itself, I fear that the iPad is bad news for free information flow. Most of the apps available now are geared at the US customer and go to great lengths to exclude everyone else. Most paid content can't be purchased outside the US - like the eBooks. After Amazon FINALLY got the US publishers to release their digital content internationally, Apple comes along and screws up everything again. This time permanently, I'm afraid.
Without the US content, I'm afraid there's not much left for European customers. European publishers have been more than hesitant when it comes to digital distribution. The iPad could end up much like Apple-TV: a somewhat capable device without any content outside the US.

Anyway, I can't say I'm disappointed because I really didn't know what to expect. All I know is: I believe it's a step backwards in terms of content distribution and I don't really see the point in having / keeping it :-/
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Old 27.04.2010, 16:18
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I agree it's not true multi-tasking in the desktop OS sense of the word, but to use your example of switching from Twitter to email, Twitter will continue to be an active, background app unless / until the system runs out of RAM to support those in the foreground. At least, that's my reading of the situation.
Well, I hope you're right - I'm not sure what to think after reading this:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/

they only talk about the core services here
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Old 27.04.2010, 17:33
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Well, I hope you're right - I'm not sure what to think after reading this:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/

they only talk about the core services here
I hope I'm right too, but I have no idea whether I am. I was basing my post on what Gruber wrote here, but that's obviously not gospel...
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Re: The Apple iPad

I've been on the road in Asia for the last 10 days. Must have spent at least 20 hours on my laptop. And 90% of this is just wasted time - i.e., waiting for my laptop to start up, trying to get internet connection, waiting for it to download updates, waiting for webpages to load up, waiting for it to switch off. Can't believe I am lugging this useless 2 kilo thinkpad around.

I was trying to change my flights online this afternoon, and after almost 1 hour I had to run downstairs to the hotel lobby for an appointment without finishing the process. The guy I met had an iPad with him. He let me use it.. and I did the whole process in less than 5 minutes. Then I played around with it. My god I want one and I am so going to leave my thinkpad at home next time.
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Old 27.04.2010, 19:31
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Re: The Apple iPad

Just had a quick play on one.

I like the size and I don't think the weight would be too much of an issue for me for reading or watching a film.

It only had the out of the box apps on there, but I was impressed by the speed of Maps and the New York Times site loading. The screen is fantastic.
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Old 27.04.2010, 23:12
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Re: The Apple iPad

I've got one, as of yesterday when hubby brought it back from the US. So far, I've used it for web browsing and reading magazines (I have a number of subs to mags via exacteditions.com, which does them in pdf). It's wonderful for reading and browsing on, because I can now do it really comfortably in bed.

Reading, I'm less convinced about. The iBooks app is 'ooooh...' clever, with a gorgeous page turn appearance like real paper, but I'm very, very attached to reading on my iPod Touch now, as I don't mind having the text small and love holding a 'book' and turning a 'page' with one hand. I can't read the iPad whilst laying in bed, for example, or cleaning my teeth (well, that two minute thing is sooooo long otherwise).

The kids are enjoying watching YouTube on it, and I expect it will function a lot like a portable DVD player for holidays, etc.

The screen is a delight, and the built-in speaker is hugely better than that in my iPod Touch. I use my iPod for things like listening to a podcast whilst folding laundry, and I'll probably now use the iPad for that instead (I know, I know, we have lots of speakers dotted about, but it's so easy just to find a podcast, hit Play and toss it on the bed whilst folding clothes).

Now, the techie bit is absolutely not my area, but apparently hubby's set up a US iTunes account using some address or other (friends or fictional, not sure) and has charged up the account using the prepaid vouchers you buy in the shops (purchased in the US, in dollars, but I imagine available via Ebay). This means he has been able to download apps onto the iPad, as iTunes doesn't seem to care about the whole 'credit card registered to this address' thing if there is credit on the account.

Hubby's away again now (I met him in Geneva Airport yesterday for a quick breakfast/ suitcase and clothes swap/ pick up lovely iPad) so I haven't got the iPad set up properly yet, as I'll wait for him to get back to explain the US iTunes/ only using the VPN thing to me properly. But I'm expecting games, newspapers, etc to be terrific on the screen.

For me, it's a good fit. It will replace things in paper (online mag and newspaper subs), we can use it collectively to play board and card games (clear off the top two shelves in the dining room), the kids can use it as a second TV (we only have one) as we have a VPN to watch things like BBC iPlayer. I can web browse whilst all slouchy, which is more of a 'want' than a 'need', but still...

If I had to pick one or the other, though, at present I'd still rather have my iPod Touch, for its portability and more convenient reading size (I read a LOT). This is a handy 'family communal' addition, but I don't just yet see us rushing out to get one each, like we did with Touches.

Any questions, ask away - it's sitting here beside me!

kodokan

Edit: I would really recommend having the Apple iPad case, too: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC361ZM/A. It's a very solid, tactile piece of kit and holds the iPad at all useful angles. You can fold completely underneath, so it's not hanging off the side, making the iPad twice as big like some cases I've seen on iPods. I like the way I can flip the case over so that the iPad is horizontal and sloping upwards, like an old-fashioned school desk. This is very comfortable for typing (I touch type, no looking, all fingers - which explains why I can go on a bit on forum - and can type reasonably accurately using this soft keyboard and the case combined. It's a bit weird, a little like the initial shift from a manual typewriter to a pooter keyboard, a sort of 'whoa, I didn't mean to touch that key, stop, stop!' sort of thing, but I know this will pass). The case is worth the money, compared to the price of the iPad - 'in for a penny/$599 dollars, in for a pound/$39 dollars'...
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Old 27.04.2010, 23:54
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Why do you bother? You are consistently negative about apple products.... you should rather simply stay away from them.

Do you buy them just so you can complain about them? No, really!
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Old 28.04.2010, 00:41
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Why do you bother? You are consistently negative about apple products.... you should rather simply stay away from them.

Do you buy them just so you can complain about them? No, really!
His views are valid precisely because he's willing to put his money where his mouth is.
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Old 28.04.2010, 09:57
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Why do you bother? You are consistently negative about apple products.... you should rather simply stay away from them.

Do you buy them just so you can complain about them? No, really!
I think that's a bit harsh.

I'm a big Apple fan, but find reading opinions about their products from others who are probably more objective than me interesting, and dawiz falls into that category. He's clearly knowledgeable about the tech area in general and backs up his opinions.

The Apple vs. Microsoft bickering got really old several years ago so I try to stay clear of all the juvenile bitching that inevitably comes from both sides with any discussion of Apple, but I wouldn't place the post you're referring to anywhere near that category.
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Re: The Apple iPad

Hi,

as someone who shares a healthy scepticism about all things Apple I am much more interested in what someone says who is not part of the "cult" as if they say it is good and useful it will carry much more weight. In my eyes Apple have a much higher barrier to cross than many other companies.

If the only voices that are allowed are ones that believe that Apple is always right and everything they do is fantastic just because it is Apple then it would be a very boring world.

The world is enriched by different opinions

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Old 28.04.2010, 10:21
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Why do you bother? You are consistently negative about apple products.... you should rather simply stay away from them.

Do you buy them just so you can complain about them? No, really!
like a lot of techies he doesn't quite know where the ipad fits in, in the scheme of things, so he bought one, fair play. Maybe actually using one it would become clear its the best thing since sliced bread and he'd be a happy bunny. You don't know unless you try.

I've also been sceptical of the ipad, but if I had the money spare I'd buy one just to see what the fuss was about. there is no denying they are a very nice looking bit of kit, I just have no idea what I'd use it for.
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Re: The Apple iPad

I've been having a play with one this morning, and it does seem quite good - especially if all you're really interested in is web and email (without flash of course). It's very smooth, and intuitive, and the virtual keyboard is remarkably useable, as it should be if you're used to the iPhone virtual keyboard. The internal speaker is also very good for what it is. There's no bass as such but the mid to highs sound very clear.

With the adaptor for SD cards it might just be the device that I'd take with me if I was going on a few day photo trip as it's a lot lighter than a laptop, but only as long as I don't have to do any photo editing.

It'll certainly sell well over here when it's released, and going by my brief experience with it it deserves to, but it certainly isn't a laptop replacement, at least not for me.
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Old 28.04.2010, 11:10
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Re: The Apple iPad

I also do not yet see where an ipad fits into my digital life.

The core functions offered do not replace either my phone or my laptop. I can only imagine that a lot of clever apps might change my mind, somewhere down the line.

My current laptop is due for upgrade. I have considered the idea of switching to an imac / ipad combination but something still seems to be missing there. Increased power at home, but I cannot help but see the ipad as a reduction in overall functionality compared to a laptop.

Now, I do not generally use my laptop all that much on the move... but ichat, and all my files, and a dvd player, are nice to have when I am on the run.
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Why do you bother? You are consistently negative about apple products.... you should rather simply stay away from them.

Do you buy them just so you can complain about them? No, really!
Consistently negative? I have 2 Macbook Pros (a 13" and a 15"), an iPhone (again) and an iPad. I just like to voice my opinion, even about Apple products (which seem to be the holy cows for some people).

I love my 15" matte MBP. I like my 13" MBP (had to install an anti-glare film though, couldn't see anything on it on the train), I kind of like my iPhone (better than other products but far from perfect) but I really don't like the iPad. That about sums up my Apple experience.

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My current laptop is due for upgrade. I have considered the idea of switching to an imac / ipad combination but something still seems to be missing there. Increased power at home, but I cannot help but see the ipad as a reduction in overall functionality compared to a laptop.
that's what I had in the back of my mind when I ordered the iPad. I have very long commutes 3 times per week. I've been carrying around my 13 MBP, which is a great device but still a tad too heavy. A netbook won't cut it because of the screen size.

I rooted my wife's "old" Nexus One (she wanted to go back to the iPhone but I couldn't sell the N1 anymore because she's put a dent in it) this morning and can now use it as a WiFi hotspot. I'll give the whole "notebook-less" thing a try tomorrow and on Friday. To be honest, I'm not sure how this is going to turn out - I have some serious doubts about the screen. While it's bright and gorgeous to look at in semi-controllable lighting situations, I found it to be close to unusable on the way home yesterday when they had turned on the ceiling lights on the train - I just couldn't see anything on it for all the reflections.
I'm also not sure how comfortable it's going to be having to hold the iPad for 2 hours while working and playing on it.

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Consistently negative? I have 2 Macbook Pros (a 13" and a 15"), an iPhone (again) and an iPad. I just like to voice my opinion, even about Apple products (which seem to be the holy cows for some people).

I love my 15" matte MBP. I like my 13" MBP (had to install an anti-glare film though, couldn't see anything on it on the train), I kind of like my iPhone (better than other products but far from perfect) but I really don't like the iPad. That about sums up my Apple experience.

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I'll give you 200 chf for the ipad
:-) The only reason why I can afford those gadgets is that I (well, generally) know when to sell the stuff I don't like. I'm in no rush to get rid of it yet
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I just couldn't see anything on it for all the reflections
Like most Apple products it would probably benefit from a matt (anti-reflective) screen guard.
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