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Old 28.04.2010, 11:27
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Like most Apple products it would probably benefit from a matt (anti-reflective) screen guard.
yes, true - I'll keep my eyes open for one. Although I have to say that the one I use (*) (or have to use) on the Macbook isn't exactly great - while it does eliminate most of the glare, it also makes the screen look blurry to some extend. I still prefer it to not seeing anything at all on the screen, though

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Old 28.04.2010, 11:29
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Consistently negative? I have 2 Macbook Pros (a 13" and a 15"), an iPhone (again) and an iPad. I just like to voice my opinion, even about Apple products (which seem to be the holy cows for some people).

I love my 15" matte MBP. I like my 13" MBP (had to install an anti-glare film though, couldn't see anything on it on the train), I kind of like my iPhone (better than other products but far from perfect) but I really don't like the iPad. That about sums up my Apple experience.

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Oh, so you didnt take back your iphone....? Reading from the below quoted post of yours from just ten days ago on the 17th April, I thought you had a pretty negative appraisal of it, and had returned it to Swisscom!

And since I believe that was your second iphone, as you bought one last year that you did not like much either, according to several posts you made then, and several other posts criticising apples products and services, way of doing business etc, I just found myself honestly a bit surprised that you bought an ipad but not surprised at all that you didnt like it and intend to give it your wife. Especially since a lot of functionality on the ipad is similar to the iphone which you, lets be honest here, didnt exactly give a glowing review to.

How can you write what you wrote below and then say that you "kind of like your iphone"? Im pleased to hear that you like your macbooks though

I guess in the end you are a tech fan like most of us here, simply that you have high standards... as you once said yourself, all tech products are flawed, its just a question of by how much!


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in a moment of stupor I ended up buying an iPhone 3GS today. Unfortunately, I had to find out extremely quickly that I just can't go back - I mean come on, the screen sucks, there's absolutely no integration for social networking (friendstream anyone?), there's no decent google reader app like Newsrob, the whole device is one massive mess in terms of icon arrangement, there's 0 customizability and it doesn't have any widgets so no info on the home screen.

While the Desire has sucky battery life, I have to say that it's the first device that actually IS better than the iPhone in probably every other aspect. With everything else I always ended up back with the iPhone. Now I can't - feels like going back to the old Palm OS when compared to the Desire. Palm OS was good in its time, but now it's obsolete. And that's exactly what the iPhone is: obsolete. And from what I can tell, iPhone OS 4 won't change that much really. Still the same old looks.

Something else I find shocking: the Desire's keyboard is better than the iPhone's. Can't point my finger at why that's the case, but the iPhone keyboard just feels less intuitive (having to press additional keys to access punctuation, for example, is simply lame).

Anyway, I'm glad I bought the 3GS from Swisscom - I'll take it back first thing Monday morning. Thank goodness they give you a 14-day money-back warranty.

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Old 28.04.2010, 11:41
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Oh, so you didnt take back your iphone....?

Especially since a lot of functionality on the ipad is similar to the iphone which you, lets be honest here, didnt exactly give a glowing review to.

Im pleased to hear that you like your macbooks though

I guess in the end you are a tech fan like most of us here, simply that you have high standards...
Above all, I can't make up my mind. That's probably my most annoying character flaw (no, I won't mention that in my next job interview).

I kept the iPhone after I did another two commutes with the Desire (which I still think has the best user experience of the devices I have used so far) and just can't live with the battery life. HTC support tells me that they are aware of the network problems that kill the battery and they're working on it.

Apart from some minor problems you get used to quickly (smaller screen, lower resolution than other devices etc.), my main problem with the iPhone isn't with the device itself: I just can't identify with Apple's enterprise philosophy anymore. But one has to stay objective here - they still make (some) great products and it's tough to completely stay away from them.

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Old 28.04.2010, 11:53
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People constantly make fun of me because I am FOREVER slating Apple devices and then at the same time buying them. Just because I recognise that something has flaws doesn't mean that I don't think it's good.

I didn't have a good thing to say about the iPhone 2G. But I bought a 3GS. They improved the device. So I bought it.

There are aspects about macs I don't like. I seem to talk about them more only because there are more people bowing down to macs rather than windows.
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Old 28.04.2010, 11:55
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Re: The Apple iPad

"At last Iphone that couldn't fit in the pocket"

That is the joke I heard recently about IPad
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Old 28.04.2010, 12:06
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People constantly make fun of me because I am FOREVER slating Apple devices and then at the same time buying them. Just because I recognise that something has flaws doesn't mean that I don't think it's good
I'm pretty much the same, in that I have several iPods (different generations), iPhone 3gs, Macbook Pro and soon an iPad 3G and yet I shudder at the thought of being called an Apple fan boy.
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Old 28.04.2010, 12:38
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I'm pretty much the same, in that I have several iPods (different generations), iPhone 3gs, Macbook Pro and soon an iPad 3G and yet I shudder at the thought of being called an Apple fan boy.
The less I wish to play about with computers and make them and overclock them etc, the further away I get from PCs.

But the main reason for me wanting a macbook pro is because they look so darn good
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Old 28.04.2010, 13:17
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I'm pretty much the same, in that I have several iPods (different generations), iPhone 3gs, Macbook Pro and soon an iPad 3G and yet I shudder at the thought of being called an Apple fan boy.
^^ Apple fan boy.
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Old 28.04.2010, 13:32
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Re: The Apple iPad

I am an apple fanboi, but I won't be getting the iPad. I already have an iPod, iPhone, iMac and a MBP. As others have pointed out, if you have all these things, the iPad is superfluous.

Saying that I'll probably wait a generation and see what apps come out, then I'll probably end up caving.
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Old 28.04.2010, 14:27
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Saying that I'll probably wait a generation and see what apps come out, then I'll probably end up caving.
thats my normal route in such matters.
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Old 28.04.2010, 22:18
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Re: The Apple iPad

We got one so we can download English books. Loving it at the moment.
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Old 28.04.2010, 22:37
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We got one so we can download English books. Loving it at the moment.
In that case it would make a lot of sense as a purchase, but since i spend quite a bit of time in front of screens one way or the other .... either TV or computer screens.... i find reading from an actual paper book to be quite a luxury and a diversion, without further eye strain.
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Old 29.04.2010, 08:22
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Re: The Apple iPad

Ok, so this is the second attempt to write this text. Apple should absolutely add an undo function to the iPad - I just managed to erase the whole text somehow. Don't know how.

But here it goes: I'm on my first 2 hour commute where I left the notebook at home. Do I regret it? You betcha. But first for the more positive aspects:

- battery life is pretty awesome. After 100 minutes of constant wifi usage I'm down to 87% percent.
- using a nexus one as a wifi hotspot for the iPad works great. Battery drain is surprisingly moderate. The Palm (or should I say HP?) Pre is reportedly dead within 30 minutes of doing the same. This as a side-note for those considering buying the non-3G version
- when it's not overly bright outside, the screen is awesome. It also works well for pages with light backgrounds - the Kindle app, for example. Once the sun hits it or the ceiling lights are in the direct line of sight, however, the pleasure's over

Now to the not so nice aspects:

- holding the iPad for a prolonged period of time is very uncomfortable.
- Typing while holding it is a pain
- the autocorrection might work well for the iPhone, but for the iPad it needs better word suggestions and perhaps a more intelligent prediction system.
- the lack of multitasking is getting more annoying by the minute. When I switch between net newswire and the mail app, net newswire has to do a full reload upon return. Very annoying
- I can't get any work done on it. Typing just isn't up to speed and the lack of file-system access and a decent folder structure is crap.
- my shoulders hurt like crap after staring on the screen so long - and my eyes are painfully dry.
- the lack of an undo feature is annoying.
- I'm worried that constant use of wifi on my lap will hurt my balls. But that's just me being paranoid.

While the ipad's undoubtedly a great multimedia device, it's, for me, unusable for work. Waiting for an Android or webOS pad for this purpose.

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Old 29.04.2010, 08:35
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Re: The Apple iPad

Great write-up as usual Peter, I'm just wondering whether a lot of the software issues you mention won't be addressed alongside the OS4.0 roll out since Apple cannot hope to compete with other tablet devices without multi-tasking, file structures etc.. As for being uncomfortable to hold, would a padded booklet type case not help?
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Old 29.04.2010, 08:42
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While the ipad's undoubtedly a great multimedia device, it's, for me, unusable for work.
I'd say this was a very fair summary. I never saw this as a replacement for a proper laptop, due to all the reasons listed above.

What it is is a brilliant space-saving and improving replacement for mostly paper-based activities leisure activities - reading (books, magazines, web content) and game playing (traditional board ones like Monopoly and cards as well as the more obvious pooter-based ones).

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Old 29.04.2010, 08:59
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Great write-up as usual Peter, I'm just wondering whether a lot of the software issues you mention won't be addressed alongside the OS4.0 roll out since Apple cannot hope to compete with other tablet devices without multi-tasking, file structures etc.. As for being uncomfortable to hold, would a padded booklet type case not help?
I bought a Belkin sock-type case for it. I can put that underneath it when it sits on my lap. Perhaps I should have expressed that more precisely: you can't hold the thing in front of you for 2 hours - for that, even the 700g it weighs are too heavy. So I need to have it rest on my lap. That way, I have to constantly look down, which causes neck and shoulder pain.

As for the features: you're right about the multi-tasking - but I don't think I've heard about improved folder access. They're introducing "folders" the way Android phones already have them - you can add a folder on the desktop and move App-icons in them for organizational purposes. But I don't think they'll let you do anything on the file-system
Apart from that: while OS 4.0 is supposedly going to be released in June for the iPhone, it won't be out until November for the iPad :-/

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Re: The Apple iPad

What Peter says confirms what I'd already suspected, so thanks for the write up.

Seems to me if you want to send a couple of emails, watch the odd YouTube clip, or browse the headlines, it's probably a fun little device. As I've said before, I reckon my Mum would love it for exactly those reasons.

As a serious work tool or laptop replacement, probably best to look elsewhere.

Is that about right?
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What Peter says confirms what I'd already suspected, so thanks for the write up.

Seems to me if you want to send a couple of emails, watch the odd YouTube clip, or browse the headlines, it's probably a fun little device. As I've said before, I reckon my Mum would love it for exactly those reasons.

As a serious work tool or laptop replacement, probably best to look elsewhere.

Is that about right?
yupp, that's the way I see it. It's just not intended/useful for any kind of serious work. This is not a bad thing per se - I think the problem with the device is that it actually looks as though it could be used for work, but in the end, it can't. I'm sure, though, it's great to take along for vacations etc. Also, playing games on it is definitely an all new experience (in a positive way, this time).

I'm just not sure how one should justify the price-tag (which Apple calls "aggressive") - for a pure multimedia-toy, it's very expensive. Especially after the SUISA has added its tax on the ones sold in Switzerland.
The 3G-enabled 64gb version will cost as much as a Macbook. I really wouldn't call that "aggressively priced".

Peter


ps: something I haven't mentioned yet: if you're used to relatively moderate prices for Apps purchased from iTunes, think again when it comes to the iPad. Most apps easily cost 2-3 times as much for the iPad as for the iPhone. Sure, they mostly look better on the bigger screen, but I seriously doubt they cost more to develop - especially since most developers can use the whole core functionality from their existing iPhone apps.
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Re: The Apple iPad

I would love to buy one but...

...it is too expensive
...it is too big
...I fear I might look like a bit of a tit if I had one
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What Peter says confirms what I'd already suspected, so thanks for the write up.

Seems to me if you want to send a couple of emails, watch the odd YouTube clip, or browse the headlines, it's probably a fun little device. As I've said before, I reckon my Mum would love it for exactly those reasons.

As a serious work tool or laptop replacement, probably best to look elsewhere.

Is that about right?
Where do people get the idea that this is supposed to replace the laptop? Apple (Jobs) didn't say it. Last I heard Apple is still selling macbooks, and they even released an update a few weeks ago. I know people are disappointed that the iPad is not a laptop, but it was never intended to be one in the first place. Isn't this clear from the beginning?

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