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Old 29.05.2010, 19:54
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Re: The Apple iPad

Got one! Typing on it right now. Walked into the Apple shop in Schaffhausen yesterday lunchtime, no queues, no dramas and purchased it. My wife abandoned her Dell laptop and adopted my Macbook some time ago and for me this thing is looking like it might be great.
Read a few English language mags I've been missing. Got the Dr Zeus books for the little fella and they look fab on the iPad, spent a fortune on apps and in the bookstore though! I've even done some work on it -iWork, and synched it with my work calendar, keyboard is fine in landscape. Don't know if I will miss my MacBook anymore especially when I get the remote video streaming app working with my HD full of avi's.

Oh and I don't have a boiling laptop burning my leg anymore and I'm still waiting for the battery to run down....
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Old 29.05.2010, 20:38
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Re: The Apple iPad

It makes me laugh to hear people say that the iPad is useless. As an eReader alone it completely excels, I'm reading newspapers from around the world, the latest magazines in full colour (without having to zoom in/out) and in a matter of minutes I've filled up my virtual bookshelf with over 20 novels (epub format). For me it was a toss up between the iPad and the kindle dx and I am more than happy with my choice.
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Old 29.05.2010, 21:26
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Re: The Apple iPad

I have tried so hard to find a use for the iPad in my life, and have failed miserably. I'm not an avid reader (apart from tech manuals), nor am I anything more than a casual gamer. If I'm going to watch a film then my iMac or my 20 year old 15" CRT TV more than suffices. If I'm on the web then it's either my iMac or MacBook when at home.

On the move I find that my iPhone covers pretty much all of the above, but with the ability that I can stick it in my pocket. I avoid carrying bags like the plague, and I'd need a bag to carry the iPad. It's form factor just doesn't suit me, and I must say nor does the price.

I'm not saying I couldn't afford one - I can, but I find myself sucking air through my teeth when I see that even the lower spec models are costing the best part of circa 800CHF. That said it's kind of funny that I won't even flinch when handing over one or two of thousand for just a lens for my camera.

I guess for me I simply have other priorities when it comes to spending "hobby" money.
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Re: The Apple iPad

Well you see Slaphead, you don't need one. So don't buy it.
I need one for when I travel so I am going to buy it.

I decided not to buy a motorcycle so I didn't. No need to justify to anyone why.

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Old 30.05.2010, 10:25
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It makes me laugh to hear people say that the iPad is useless.
I don't think anyone said it was useless people have only said that it is too heavy and that the touchscreen keyboard is unusable apart from that it is fine.
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Old 30.05.2010, 13:41
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I don't think I will like it though. I think the screen is too small for a start. I like to type a lot and I think I will find the keyboard annoying. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing using more than your two index fingers and thumb will be difficult? :s
I touch type using all fingers at a speed of about 60 words a minute, and it's fine.

Ar present, I'm a little slower and with a higher error rate than on a normal keyboard but I'm improving daily. It's a bit like when I went from a manual typewriter to a word processing keyboard - the keys are in a slightly different place by a few millimetres and you only have to breathe to type; the learning curve has been the same for both.

There's an excellent autocorrect that is ironing out most of my typos, and it's mostly not necessary to go into the symbols screen to find the apostrophe, as it autofills. I've been typing on mine for a few weeks now, and am almost up to my regular speed. To be honest, the hardest part is confusion between this keyboard and my usual Swiss one, as I keep mistyping the letter y.

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Old 30.05.2010, 15:20
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It makes me laugh to hear people say that the iPad is useless. As an eReader alone it completely excels, I'm reading newspapers from around the world, the latest magazines in full colour (without having to zoom in/out) and in a matter of minutes I've filled up my virtual bookshelf with over 20 novels (epub format). For me it was a toss up between the iPad and the kindle dx and I am more than happy with my choice.
As I said before - I agree that it's a great eReader. I just think, if you only use it as such (and I personally don't know what else to use it for), it's way too expensive. I should have gone for the cheapest version rather than getting the 64gb WiFi. I also find it rather heavy. As I said - I'm waiting for something smaller with Android or WebOS on it and will sell the iPad as soon as Kindle releases their Android Kindle app this summer.

Also, I have to say that my dislike for Apple has changed into outright hatred. It just grosses me out reading the fanboy comments on macprime.ch and seeing people cueing up for 4 hours to buy a device they have never even touched before and that they have absolutely no clue what to use it for. I feel like I did 15 years ago when I first started using Linux because I hated Microsoft so much.
I just can't bear seeing the iPhone interface anymore - to me, it demonstrates everything that's been going wrong with the computing industry (with Apple at the helm) in the last couple of years. Closed, proprietary, simple-minded, geared at herd-animals rather than individuals. Android, on the other hand, is developing in the opposite direction. While the first iterations were just like the iPhone, Google is now taking advantage of the people's dislike of closed, DRMed systems ran by psychos like Steve Jobs. Froyo is absolutely stellar. It's open, it lets you do anything you like with it. I guess my ten year engagement with Apple products is about coming to an end - I already sold my 13" MBP two weeks ago, next thing will be the exchange of my 15" MBP that I used for processing my images for a Dell Latitude E6510 with the FHD LED display - and once the iPad's gone, I'm outa here. The iPad experience - not only with the device itself but also with the customers' reception) has pushed me over the edge, I'm afraid.


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To be honest, the hardest part is confusion between this keyboard and my usual Swiss one, as I keep mistyping the letter y.
Can you change it to Swiss German layout?
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Old 30.05.2010, 15:43
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Can you change it to Swiss German layout?
not without changing the input language to German, I believe.
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Old 30.05.2010, 15:48
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Can you change it to Swiss German layout?
Swiss French, but probably, I guess. I'm trying to become bi-typist, so I can just switch from one to the other without affecting speed or performance!
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Old 30.05.2010, 16:12
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As I said before - I agree that it's a great eReader. I just think, if you only use it as such (and I personally don't know what else to use it for), it's way too expensive. I should have gone for the cheapest version rather than getting the 64gb WiFi. I also find it rather heavy. As I said - I'm waiting for something smaller with Android or WebOS on it and will sell the iPad as soon as Kindle releases their Android Kindle app this summer.

Also, I have to say that my dislike for Apple has changed into outright hatred. It just grosses me out reading the fanboy comments on macprime.ch and seeing people cueing up for 4 hours to buy a device they have never even touched before and that they have absolutely no clue what to use it for. I feel like I did 15 years ago when I first started using Linux because I hated Microsoft so much.
I just can't bear seeing the iPhone interface anymore - to me, it demonstrates everything that's been going wrong with the computing industry (with Apple at the helm) in the last couple of years. Closed, proprietary, simple-minded, geared at herd-animals rather than individuals. Android, on the other hand, is developing in the opposite direction. While the first iterations were just like the iPhone, Google is now taking advantage of the people's dislike of closed, DRMed systems ran by psychos like Steve Jobs. Froyo is absolutely stellar. It's open, it lets you do anything you like with it. I guess my ten year engagement with Apple products is about coming to an end - I already sold my 13" MBP two weeks ago, next thing will be the exchange of my 15" MBP that I used for processing my images for a Dell Latitude E6510 with the FHD LED display - and once the iPad's gone, I'm outa here. The iPad experience - not only with the device itself but also with the customers' reception) has pushed me over the edge, I'm afraid.


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Wow, thats quite some rant
Personally I'm not precious about any of my Apple stuff (MBP, iPhone, iPad) but I will not compromise and buy a buggy, low quality piece of kit just to stick it to the Apple man. I look around at the market place and I still cannot see a notebook that matches the build quality and battery life of the 13" MBP. If all I did was run Windows 7 on it, it would still be the best looking, sturdiest Windows PC out there.

As for the iPhone, well I'm more than happy to switch to Android but again what I'm now seeing is dozens of handsets, lots of different specs, different firmwares (e.g. why is the Xperia X10 stuck on fw 1.6, why can't you put a generic 2.1 fw on it???) and plenty of users complain of 'Out of memory' issues which sounds eerily similar to Windows Mobile .

As for the iPad, let a cheaper, lighter competitor come on the scene which content providers are willing to service and I am completely there dude. However lets not undermine Apple's achievements here, the tablet sector has been moribund for ages, I've played about with various Windows tablets and it just felt like I was using my finger to control a mouse. So how come with almost a 10 year head start nobody has managed to build a tablet that could sell in 1 year, what Apple sold in a month. Without a doubt the future will consist of everyone owning a cheap, slate device which can be used for work and play. With lower production costs they will be as cheap and ubiquitous as mobile phones and print media will be a thing of the past. In that sense its nice to be holding a little bit of the future in your hands.
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Old 30.05.2010, 17:06
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I was able to set an English keyboard with a QWERTZ layout - have a look in the keyboard settings?
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Old 30.05.2010, 17:34
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Wow, thats quite some rant
Personally I'm not precious about any of my Apple stuff (MBP, iPhone, iPad) but I will not compromise and buy a buggy, low quality piece of kit just to stick it to the Apple man. I look around at the market place and I still cannot see a notebook that matches the build quality and battery life of the 13" MBP. If all I did was run Windows 7 on it, it would still be the best looking, sturdiest Windows PC out there.
I agree - Apple's unibody design is unmatched (except perhaps by HP's unibody design, which they clearly stole from Apple). The 13" MBP, however, has one gigantic flaw: the glossy screen is utterly useless for a device in that weight-class. Most people buy their 13" MBPs to carry around - because they're light and well-built. On the train, on the plane, in any kind of uncontrolled lighting, the screen becomes unusable. It plain sucks. The resolution is also rather low. Those were the reasons why I sold it and am now using my HP M5310 (a huge fingerprint magnet, but otherwise a very decent piece of kit) from work for my commute.

In terms of looks, unibody is unmatched. But if one remains objective: it's not like Apple notebooks ACTUALLY last longer than other devices. It's just not the case. We buy about 30 laptops per year. About 5-10% of these are Macs, the rest are Dells and HPs. While the Macs clearly look sturdier than most of the Windows notebooks, they don't cause any less trouble then the latter. In the 10+ years I have been in charge of budgeting and purchasing all of our IT equipment, we haven't had a single case of someone actually damaging the body of a notebook due to normal wear and tear. We've had two total wrecks due to bicycle accidents (one MBP, one HP). They all have their equal share of mainboard and battery trouble (the two main reasons for warranty cases) and they all look like shite after 3-4 years. Apart from the case, the E6510 is at least as well equipped and costs almost 1500 Fr. less than the comparable MBP (the i7 version of the MBP with the high-res anti-glare screen and a 3-year warranty costs 3,473.01 Fr.) - as a matter of fact - for close to 3500 Fr., I can almost get 2 of the i7 E6510 with a 3-year on-site warranty (which Apple doesn't offer at all) and the HD screen. The Dell also weighs about the same and the build is pretty good. The only thing it lacks (and I agree that this sucks) is the back-lit keyboard.

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Old 30.05.2010, 20:10
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Re: The Apple iPad

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Andy (Slaphead): I agree completely with what you have written the current generation of the ipad is a difficult device to buy. This form factor could work but it will need a significant reduction in price and the addition of at least a usb port and sd card reader before I would feel like I could justify it. It has to be cheaper and significantly lighter than my light weight notebook.

Peter: You should be a product reviewer.

The ipad has been pushed heavily by the media as they try to see if they can build walled gardens for their content. If more devices are sold but if this is at the price of vaguely objective journalism that seemss a price they are willing to pay. Look at some of the recent examples from the guardian.

The problem for Apple is that it might be about to suffer the fate it has suffered in the pc market where it is very much an also ran. In the US it is number 3 in the smartphone market behind RIM and Android handsets.

An Android based tablet is likely to be cheaper and offer the missing functionality from the ipad. Also it will allow development of apps on all platforms and will not come with Apple as an arbitary gatekeeper.

Now would seem to be the time to wait and see rather than to jump in. There is no urgency for such a product.

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Old 30.05.2010, 20:35
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This form factor could work but it will need a significant reduction in price and the addition of at least a usb port and sd card reader before I would feel like I could justify it.
You can already buy a so-called Camera connector kit for the iPad giving you an SD slot and USB port. Plus it won't be long before an app makes its way on Cydia which allows you to USB tether to a phone, mount a hard disk etc..

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Old 30.05.2010, 20:45
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Re: The Apple iPad

I played with an iPad yesterday for about 20 minutes.

I was not surprised to find that even in landscape the soft keyboard was a little cramped for my tastes. But I am an inveterate craptop/ netbook hater, that being one of the reasons.

I imported a spreadsheet into Numbers and played around a little. I think that with a bit of practice, it would not be any clumsier than using a PC keyboard + mouse. (Numbers itself has the nice idea of a canvas which means you can embed lots of tables on the same tab, and not have to endure all farting the about with cell formatting like you must with Excel or its freetard wannabee clone Openoffice.)

iBook seemed fine. I didn't hold it for long enough to assess if it was comfortable for hand-held reading or not.

The Times reader app seemed quite well thought out.

There was some sort of science magazine reader installed, This was awful to use, not least because it did not seem to respond to my gestures properly.

A man on my left asked me how to go back to the main menu - which only goes to show that the adjective "intuitive" has no place in UI terminology. Intuition is always learned.

So for me, it was a bit "meh!". Looking at the price, it becomes a strong "No!".
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Old 31.05.2010, 16:47
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Also, I have to say that my dislike for Apple has changed into outright hatred.
I just can't bear seeing the iPhone interface anymore - to me, it demonstrates everything that's been going wrong with the computing industry (with Apple at the helm) in the last couple of years. Closed, proprietary, simple-minded, geared at herd-animals rather than individuals. Android, on the other hand, is developing in the opposite direction. While the first iterations were just like the iPhone, Google is now taking advantage of the people's dislike of closed, DRMed systems ran by psychos like Steve Jobs. Froyo is absolutely stellar. It's open, it lets you do anything you like with it. I guess my ten year engagement with Apple products is about coming to an end - I already sold my 13" MBP two weeks ago, next thing will be the exchange of my 15" MBP that I used for processing my images for a Dell Latitude E6510 with the FHD LED display - and once the iPad's gone, I'm outa here.
My My, you do change your mind a lot don't you. Not long ago your posts indicated that you pretty much hate all apple products although, curiously, you keep buying them.... including your purchase of two iphones, two macbooks, and an ipad. You sold your iphone because you didnt like it, then you bought another, as far as i remember.

Then when I question this behaviour a few weeks ago you start raving about how good your macbooks are and that that you "absolutely love" them.... and now you hate them again and have sold one macbook, and another you want to sell as well???

No, you shouldnt be a reviewer, in my view. You should just get on with it and sell out and never come back to apple. I think it is good that you finally state in the open your blatent hatred of all things apple. This has been clear to me for a long time already, although you haven't admitted it as much before.

However, it is also clear that this hatred of all things apple skews your opinions enormously, to a basically almost unhealthy state. Move on.
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Re: The Apple iPad

I got mine last night at Gatwick. Not being able to charge off USB is a real pain :-( Whilst these littlke fella's below may solve a problem or too, they will make the Ipad very uncomortable to use in certain positions (Lying in bed, or on the sofa... ) Why oh why isn't the charge/comm socket at the side or the top ??

I have had it for 24 hours now. It's a thing of beauty. I have logmein Ignition loaded and so have access to my PC's . I had to download/reinstall all my apps again, twice the pain because 1/2 of my apps are on my UK account and 1/2 on my Swiss account, several mistakes on my part meant I have purchased stuff twice.

Cheeky beggars in the App stores are charging a fortune for the same product but running in so called 'HD' mode... Now that browsing is highly useable in Safari at this res/size , a lack of flash is starting to be felt.

I went for the entry level Wifi/16GB edition, just couldn;t justify the extra expense for features that I may never even use or miss.

Battery life is not that good. Just playing with it lasted 6 hours on a full charge today, no heavy video but loads of downloads , wifi always on and playing the odd game or two. Again, not being able to charge off the work PC is a real pain.

It's hard to describe something that is hardly needed but so lovely to use, indeed something that teases you to use it.

Am off to try out Angry Birds and Bejewelled now...

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not without changing the input language to German, I believe.
Unless it's drastically different from OS X, that's exactly what you do. The choice of input language doesn't affect anything except the keyboard layout.

On OS X proper, selecting German for the input language offers the regional variations such as Swiss, Austrian, German, so my real question should have been

"Does the iPad support these variations even if your main language is English"
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