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Re: The Apple iPad

I'm selling my 1st Gen iPad (16gb, wifi&GPRS) not because I'm getting the 2nd Gen or because I don't like it, but because it's upgrade time for my main computer and I can't justify to myself having a laptop, an iPad (as they both perform a similar function for me) and an iPhone. Does anyone else have both?
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Old 03.03.2011, 10:39
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last year's model was an entirely different story.
However, as for "here today, gone tomorrow": Apple will release the next iPad in about half a year, so the iPad 2 is definitely not here to stay. They only released it so the Android crowd wouldn't out-spec them until they come up with something better.
What's underwhelming by the competiton? Most of them have better specs (better cameras, SD-slots etc.) and within a year's time, Android will be dominating that market segment as well.

The reason why Apple devices seem to be less "fleeting"? The very long release-cycles Apple is choosing. I have the feeling, however, that they'll need to re-think that strategy very soon, if they don't want to be out-paced by the general development in this technological field.
The fact is that specs aren't everything, usability, desirability, residual value, ergonomics etc.. also come into play. I could sit there all day pontificating to my missus why the Xoom is a better machine than the iPad, but will she listen to a word I say, or order an iPad II with a pink cover?
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Old 03.03.2011, 10:50
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Re: The Apple iPad

Hi,

I own an ipad, laptop and PC and certainly the ipad is to a replacement to either the laptop or pc. It is a companion device which is great for reading magazines on, checking email and living room surfing. There would be a number of changes to the device that would make it a competitor to a PC. Especially mouse support and removable storage. In addition being treated as an adult in terms of what software I am to install.

I like the ipad but the ipad 1.5 is quite underwhelming for me as the enhancements really would make not difference to how I use the device. It does not seem slow and why do I need a vast improvement in graphics processing ?

In the end I think the absurd in app subscription model with the 30% Apple tax will push be to alternative slate solution.

I have started using an Android phone and I am really finding Android to be much more enjoyable experience than iOS.

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Old 03.03.2011, 10:58
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Hi,

I own an ipad, laptop and PC and certainly the ipad is to a replacement to either the laptop or pc. It is a companion device which is great for reading magazines on, checking email and living room surfing. There would be a number of changes to the device that would make it a competitor to a PC. Especially mouse support and removable storage. In addition being treated as an adult in terms of what software I am to install.

I like the ipad but the ipad 1.5 is quite underwhelming for me as the enhancements really would make not difference to how I use the device. It does not seem slow and why do I need a vast improvement in graphics processing ?

In the end I think the absurd in app subscription model with the 30% Apple tax will push be to alternative slate solution.

I have started using an Android phone and I am really finding Android to be much more enjoyable experience than iOS.

Have fun
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Haha! Mr Anti-Apple owns an iPad! Never thought I'd see you admit that.

Surely mouse support would completely defy the point of a touch-screen 'computer'?
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Old 03.03.2011, 11:05
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It really annoys me when an Apple fanboy goes around spouting that the iPhone was the first touch screen mobile phone.

By saying this dual core malarkey, he is just misleading his legions
I've no idea what or who the first sentence refers to and don't really care, but all this derogatory rhetoric about fanboys (whatever they are) and legions etc just seems OTT to me. Why can't everyone be allowed to enjoy what they have?

If my next door neighbour's happy with his phone, should I really judge him by what type it is? Is he more stupid / less trustworthy / to be avoided because he bought brand X and not brand Y? I don't get all the hate - in both directions - I really don't. It just doesn't matter that much.
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I've no idea what or who the first sentence refers to and don't really care, but all this derogatory rhetoric about fanboys (whatever they are) and legions etc just seems OTT to me. Why can't everyone be allowed to enjoy what they have?

If my next door neighbour's happy with his phone, should I really judge him by what type it is? Is he more stupid / less trustworthy / to be avoided because he bought brand X and not brand Y? I don't get all the hate - in both directions - I really don't. It just doesn't matter that much.

It's an invitation to troll, on an iPad thread at that.

If you look at the history of Apple, it isn't a company lead with a herd mentality. It is a leader and its products are on the cutting edge. Few other companies can take such big bold risks, they simply copy Apple and each other. I don't really understand the animosity against it, other than perhaps it is some wierd form of envy. But in any case, everybody has benefitted from Apple products whether they buy it or not. Apple products tend to change the rules of the game. 'nuf said.
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Old 03.03.2011, 12:06
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I've no idea what or who the first sentence refers to and don't really care, but all this derogatory rhetoric about fanboys (whatever they are) and legions etc just seems OTT to me. Why can't everyone be allowed to enjoy what they have?

If my next door neighbour's happy with his phone, should I really judge him by what type it is? Is he more stupid / less trustworthy / to be avoided because he bought brand X and not brand Y? I don't get all the hate - in both directions - I really don't. It just doesn't matter that much.
I have nothing against Apple and I don't care about what brand I buy...I buy what I think is best.

But when Apple purposefully say things like The first dual core tablet to ship in volume. I mean what's the point in saying that? You got beat to being the first dual core tablet. Deal with it.

You don't see HTC releasing something and saying this is the first touch screen phone to be released in the year 2011 on a Saturday.
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It's an invitation to troll, on an iPad thread at that.

If you look at the history of Apple, it isn't a company lead with a herd mentality. It is a leader and its products are on the cutting edge. Few other companies can take such big bold risks, they simply copy Apple and each other. I don't really understand the animosity against it, other than perhaps it is some wierd form of envy. But in any case, everybody has benefitted from Apple products whether they buy it or not. Apple products tend to change the rules of the game. 'nuf said.
The only thing cutting edge about Apple product is the software they run on. The hardware is nothing special.

There is nothing cutting edge about having a 4:3 display on a multimedia device in 2011....for example.
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But when Apple purposefully say things like The first dual core tablet to ship in volume. I mean what's the point in saying that? You got beat to being the first dual core tablet. Deal with it. .
It's called Marketing and Advertising. It reaffirms Apple's commitment to leading. It's aimed at shareholders and analysts, less for consumers and techies. Most of its consumers don't even know or could care less what the dual core process gets them, only that it is faster than the other.



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The only thing cutting edge about Apple product is the software they run on. The hardware is nothing special.

There is nothing cutting edge about having a 4:3 display on a multimedia device in 2011....for example.
It's not even the software that is cutting edge. Your average Apple user could care less what is under it, but that their application allows them to do something they were not previously able to do. Apple is really more of a "usability" company than a technology company. THAT is the cutting edge. It's the Application of technology, coupled with a market clout that allows them to really change the rules of the game.
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It's not even the software that is cutting edge. Your average Apple user could care less what is under it, but that their application allows them to do something they were not previously able to do. Apple is really more of a "usability" company than a technology company. THAT is the cutting edge. It's the Application of technology, coupled with a market clout that allows them to really change the rules of the game.
The usability come from the well coded and easy to use software. Apple would be nothing without the software.

Don't get me wrong. I love Apple products. At the moment there is nothing for me in their line up though.

My 70 year old grandmother never uses a computer and just manages to keep an old Nokia phone. When I went back home over xmas she was playing with an iPad. I think that's something amazing.

I don't hate Apple. I just hate some of the things they do
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The usability come from the well coded and easy to use software. Apple would be nothing without the software.
No, it's not just software or hardware. There are superior hardware and software, and superior code. What sets Apple apart is their design philosophy. This is more of a creative output than technical output.
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No, it's not just software or hardware. There are superior hardware and software, and superior code. What sets Apple apart is their design philosophy. This is more of a creative output than technical output.
Okay you win. I was wrong.
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Yeah the Xoom looks amazing...

http://www.xmlaficionado.com/2011/03...pointment.html
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And Google doesn't make the developers wait a month for the approval of new versions.
And as a consequence it later has to withdraw some . . .

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03...droid_malware/
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And as a consequence it later has to withdraw some . . .

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03...droid_malware/

There are two thoughts on issuing development licenses; a) make it easy for anyone to get, b) screen applicants to control quality.

(A) will get you a a large quantity of applications quickly, but the quality and user experience will suffer. This is the approach Nintendo used in the early console days. The result was a jungle of crappy Nintendo games.

(B) is the path Sony took with Playstation. Not everyone can develop a Playstation title, but the end user experience is better, and the quality of the brand is upheld.

Sony won that match. I think Apple will be using a similar strategy against Google.

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Re: The Apple iPad

actually, i found the quality of both apple and android apps to be pretty good.

even symbian apps were good (probably because you had to be more determined to write a symbian app) - there just weren't many of them and restrictive nature due to small screen and variable interface (touch screen is at least a common interface).
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And as a consequence it later has to withdraw some . . .

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03...droid_malware/
it's not like Apple has never pulled apps - Netshare springs to mind, VLC - the former violated Apple's TOS, the latter violated the GPL. Then they also regularly plug apps that don't fit into Steve Jobs' personal world view:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022305170.html

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/21/ap...-to-wikileaks/

and it's also not like iPhone apps don't spy on their users:

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/...ps-track-users

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Old 03.03.2011, 17:07
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and it's also not like iPhone apps don't spy on their users:

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/...ps-track-users
This just suggests that Apple's vetting procedure isn't rigorous enough, not that there shouldn't be one.

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Old 03.03.2011, 17:09
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This just suggests that Apple's vetting procedure isn't rigorous enough, not that there shouldn't be one.
Well, obviously I don't have a problem with Apple's removing malicious apps. I, however, do have an issue when they remove apps that don't fit into their political world-view.
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