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Maybe you know about the tip, to wash your hair before bedtime?
Many people go to sleep with their hair full of pollen and other irritants.
Thanks for the tip, Sbrinz.

My problem is I sleep with the window open as I don't sleep particularly well without fresh air. Fine for most of the year, but not good late April/May/June
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:19
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I have for the last 40 plus years.
With the amount of (head) hair you've got that must take about a nanosecond.
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:22
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The dirtiest thing in the toilet is the door handle on the way out..
....then wash my already clean hands and then mess them up on the door handle.
you mess them up already when you turn off the water using the tap!
I never thought I'd admit that (as even I consider it overly-fussy) but I clean the tap with the paper towel beforei I turn off the water and while I'm at it, I quickly wipe over the door-handle before throwing the towel in the bin and leave.
And I refuse to use cloth-towels anywhere outside my own house.
(Going through the "Wirtefachschule" did not really help my fussiness either as I got all my suspicions confirmed in writing)

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My Grandmother (Liverpool) used to say:

It was the same woman who explained to me why you should never take a mint from the bowl at the entrance to a restaurant...
Or eat peanuts from the "public" bowl at a bar
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:25
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With the amount of (head) hair you've got that must take about a nanosecond.
Haha, I had more 40 years ago
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:35
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you mess them up already when you turn off the water using the tap!
I never thought I'd admit that (as even I consider it overly-fussy) but I clean the tap with the paper towel beforei I turn off the water and while I'm at it, I quickly wipe over the door-handle before throwing the towel in the bin and leave.
And I refuse to use cloth-towels anywhere outside my own house.
(Going through the "Wirtefachschule" did not really help my fussiness either as I got all my suspicions confirmed in writing)


Or eat peanuts from the "public" bowl at a bar
I'm really not that fussy .. Well Ok, I won't buy/eat sweets from those stalls where hundreds of kids have been coughing over them.

But i woudn't beat myself up if i forgot wash my hands one time. After all, you walk into a toilet, you smell poop.. It's too late, it's all over, you already have the poop gas molecules in your lungs and mouth and up your nose..

Washing your hands aint gonna help
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I wonder at which age that kicks in.

I've been fighting a losing battle to get any kids eating at our house to wash their hands when they come in or at least before they eat or after the toilet. Sometimes they do but mostly they seem to avoid it.

My son has often scoffed a bag of crisps or handful of sweets or whatever while he's been out with his pals and his hands have been grubby from the playground or footie field or wherever they've been mucking about.

He's eaten breadrolls and whatnot which have been in his pocket with all sorts of stones and bits of twigs.

I'm surprised at how rarely he's sick.

I'm a hand-washer after the toilet and before preparing food / eating but not especially after being on public transport or "just because".
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Ha! The public door handle on the way out, I often elbow it open.. or use my foot to wedge the door if someone has just gone out before me.. am sure I look incredibly graceful and ladylike

Kids wash hands first thing in the door after school, day out etc. And if I don't hear the water tap run long enough, they have to do it again. I have shown both kids how to wash hands correctly - most people don't wash hands properly, forget to wash thumbs and between fingers. Apart from the sinus allergies/hay fever, I don't get sick very often.

Reminds me: allergy season is on its way
I don't know if this helps but i didn't like brushing my teeth until it was made more fun.

if you are short kid and wash your hands, you can barely reach the taps and water soapy and clean drips down your arm.. its not fun.

maybe have a step under the sink so they are a nice height, get fun soap? put a little sign 'thank you for washing your hands', subliminal? messaging works.. i seem to remember one town put 'do not steal' signs up and stealing went down..
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:42
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I don't know if this helps but i didn't like brushing my teeth until it was made more fun.

if you are short kid and wash your hands, you can barely reach the taps and water soapy and clean drips down your arm.. its not fun.

maybe have a step under the sink so they are a nice height, get fun soap? putj a little sign 'thank you for washing your hands', subliminal? messaging works.. i seem to remember one town put 'do not steal' signs up and stealing went down..
Little Rufus seems to enjoy the "performance" of a folding step. And comedy soap dispensers. I still have to employ The Flannel however.

Granville! Fetch a cloth.
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Old 20.02.2017, 16:54
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Re: People not washing their hands after using the loo - how do you approach the subj

And remember a lot of these people go to the supermarket pushing trollies and carrying baskets - so much bacteria there and how many people wash their hands when they come in from shopping.....
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Old 20.02.2017, 22:10
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Ha! The public door handle on the way out, I often elbow it open.. or use my foot to wedge the door if someone has just gone out before me.. am sure I look incredibly graceful and ladylike
This, or grab a bit of paper towel to use when opening the door.

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I'm sure many people do. Who washes their hair on a daily basis before going to bed, seriously?
Maybe not every day but I generally wash my hair before bed as opposed to in the morning. It's great for cooling off in the summer.

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And remember a lot of these people go to the supermarket pushing trollies and carrying baskets - so much bacteria there and how many people wash their hands when they come in from shopping.....
I do. Then again I wash my hands and/or use hand sanitizer throughout the day so it's not out of the ordinary for me.
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Old 20.02.2017, 22:41
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Uuuu...
I guess the blokes don't realise they are 'eating and drinking' each other's poo and peepee... Cross-contamination innit.

I feel sorry for you, unfortunately even visibly neat people can be disgusting.

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I'm really not that fussy .. Well Ok, I won't buy/eat sweets from those stalls where hundreds of kids have been coughing over them.

But i woudn't beat myself up if i forgot wash my hands one time. After all, you walk into a toilet, you smell poop.. It's too late, it's all over, you already have the poop gas molecules in your lungs and mouth and up your nose..

Washing your hands aint gonna help
I feel so much better! I am not the only one imagining those fart particles and poop molecules!!!

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Horrible that some people do not wash hands after loo

but on the other hand (pun not intended) I also hate this germophobia, aka mysophobia, that is all around us- helped by graphic advertising campaigns all over UK TV. So many kids suffer from allergies, and even some auto-immune diseases because of this obsession bordering on 'terror' (again see advertising campaigns...) about germs- just goes too far. Treatment includes introducing dirt, and even worms- into the childrens' lives ! Kids growing up on traditional farms very rarely, if ever, suffer from allergies.

I always wash hands post WC of course, and always before food cooking, and during if touching meat or poultry- but otherwise just do not worry. As for washing hair before bed- no way!

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Old 21.02.2017, 09:15
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Horrible that some people do not wash hands after loo

but on the other hand (pun not intended) I also hate this germophobia, aka mysophobia, that is all around us- helped by graphic advertising campaigns all over UK TV. So many kids suffer from allergies, and even some auto-immune diseases because of this obsession bordering on 'terror' (again see advertising campaigns...) about germs- just goes too far. Treatment includes introducing dirt, and even worms- into the childrens' lives ! Kids growing up on traditional farms very rarely, if ever, suffer from allergies.

I always wash hands post WC of course, and always before food cooking, and during if touching meat or poultry- but otherwise just do not worry. As for washing hair before bed- no way!
After some companies that shall not be named made fortunes on exploiting people's (irrational) fears, we learn now that all those antibacterial soaps are not good for us....
https://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/con.../ucm378393.htm

I totally agree with you, Odile. Let's not talk about allergies and growing up on traditional farms, but about life in general when one has these fears that border mental pathology. Not funny at all...I believe.
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Horrible that some people do not wash hands after loo

but on the other hand (pun not intended) I also hate this germophobia, aka mysophobia, that is all around us- helped by graphic advertising campaigns all over UK TV. So many kids suffer from allergies, and even some auto-immune diseases because of this obsession bordering on 'terror' (again see advertising campaigns...) about germs- just goes too far. Treatment includes introducing dirt, and even worms- into the childrens' lives ! Kids growing up on traditional farms very rarely, if ever, suffer from allergies.

I always wash hands post WC of course, and always before food cooking, and during if touching meat or poultry- but otherwise just do not worry. As for washing hair before bed- no way!
Pretty much the same for me.
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I mentionned farmers' kids because this is what the allergy specialist said at the end of his lecture we attended recently- that in all his long career, he had never had a patient who grew up on a farm.
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Old 21.02.2017, 10:28
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I mentionned farmers' kids because this is what the allergy specialist said at the end of his lecture we attended recently- that in all his long career, he had never had a patient who grew up on a farm.
I know someone who did a Phd in this field. One of the things I remember her saying is that allergies are highly cultural, the most common allergy in NA is peanuts, in Europe it is celery. (This was 15+ years ago.)
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I mentionned farmers' kids because this is what the allergy specialist said at the end of his lecture we attended recently- that in all his long career, he had never had a patient who grew up on a farm.
He might not have but it's not that simple. I didn't grow up on farms but in the country. And I'm generally a very healthy person. When I was a child I suffered from bad allergies if I wore new clothes before washing them (which speaks for your "farm-theory" as it must have been the chemicals in the material). I don't know if I still suffer from that as it wouldn't cross my mind now not to wash new clothes before wearing. I'm allergic to all kinds of stuff in cosmetic-products and had to buy non-perfumed/non-what-so-ever body-lotion and soap at the pharmacy as a child - until the numerous baby-products solved that problem for me. This can go so far that if somebody kisses me hello (the Swiss way), wearing cheap-shit make-up, I can get an allergy from it. LOL.
I've always been allergic to insect-bites, specially bees and wasps and that - unfortunately - increases the more often one gets bitten in life so now that spring is arriving I have to be on my toes more. I got very good at spotting the ba****ds from far away in order to avoid having to take my emergency drugs
So you see, country kids do not necessarily have it easier allergy-wise in todays world
Washing your hands regularly and being aware of germs is fine - just be careful what you wash yourself with.
The point is - I guess - to find out what the personal problems are, take the simplest precautions and not go hysterical about it.
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I know someone who did a Phd in this field. One of the things I remember her saying is that allergies are highly cultural, the most common allergy in NA is peanuts, in Europe it is celery. (This was 15+ years ago.)
That's funny, I've never heard of a single person in Europe who is allergic to celery but know a few who are allergic to peanuts.

Hand washing is a matter of common sense in my opinion. Washing hands after using the toilet, before preparing food, after touching meat etc are just common sense and should be an automatic reflex in my opinion. Manically washing hands, contorting oneself to not touch door handles etc is excessive in my opinion. Small regular doses of microbes help build up immunity.

Instead of worrying about door handles an the like which have very low levels of humidity think about kitchen sponges, towels etc which provide a much better breeding ground for germs.

https://www.quora.com/Microbiology-H...s-clothing-etc

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That's funny, I've never heard of a single person in Europe who is allergic to celery but know a few who are allergic to peanuts.
That was _exactly_ what I said to her. Her thesis more or less addressed the question "What is the border between an "intolerance" and a "medically significant reaction?" so she was looking at a whole range of things which are biologically speaking an allergy, but not limited to what we think of as a "treatable reaction".
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Old 21.02.2017, 12:43
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but on the other hand (pun not intended) I also hate this germophobia, aka mysophobia, that is all around us- helped by graphic advertising campaigns all over UK TV.
This.

Basic cleanliness is good, but some people do themselves and the environment more harm than good.

Often its the very same people who freak out that there might an airborne germ might settle on your apple between two bites who have no qualms about buying food that is absolutely pumped up with antibiotics and pesticides.
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For another thread perhaps - although I was not the one who diverted to washing hands in general and other cleanliness issues- but it is tragic that those with severe allergies, true anaphylaxis - are often not taken seriously due to the myriad of vague or even fashionable so-called 'intolerances'.

A huge difference with getting a bit of dispepsia or tummy ache, or even diahorrea- to full anyphylactic shock which can kill (my grandson is extremely allergic to egg even in minute dose - and has to carry an epipen and anti-histamines all the time- and has ended up in Casualty several times).
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