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Old 26.11.2010, 23:50
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Little to no heat

Well, winter is here and the apartment i live in seems to have little to no heat. What I mean is that even though the heater dial is turned all the way up (beyond 25 degrees), the radiator elements are cold.

They do get heat from time to time, but it doesn't look like it's respecting either a schedule or the thermostat. Lately around 4-5 in the morning it gets quite cold and since I'm not used to sleeping in the cold it's very uncomfortable.

Any idea how the heating should actually work? I mean, once I turn up the thermostat dial, should I get heat regardless of other factors until the set temperature is reached? Or is heat on a schedule so that even if I set 30 degrees, the heat actually only comes e.g. at night?

Or maybe I should talk to the landlord about this?
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That would be a good first step, and might answer all of your questions.
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That would be a good first step, and might answer all of your questions.
Or one of the other tenants.
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Re: Little to no heat

The heating is usually regulated according to the landlord's wishes. Perversely (and to my mind, counter-intuitively), the heating is often turned down at night (since all Swiss people are tucked up and asleep in their nice, warm beds from 10:00 pm). This is out of your control; you can only regulate the temperature when the heating is actually on (as determined by the landlord)

Call your agents (if you have one) or landlord directly and check whether the heating is regulated in this way. If not, ask for an engineer to check it out. The radiators may need bleeding or there may be an obstruction somewhere in the pipes.
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Re: Little to no heat

Thats how it was in my old apartment. the heat would be turned very low at around 1-2 am and back on around 5.30. during the day same thing being turned down. it was a complete joke but nothing you can do. more and more im being ready for a house and NEVER deal with land lords ever again
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Old 27.11.2010, 06:52
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Re: Little to no heat

We had the same problem and told the landlord. The reason was a problem with the main switch. As I understand the main switch must be "on" in order to get the heating to all flats.

I would definitely inform the landlord.
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Old 28.11.2010, 15:38
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Re: Little to no heat

Well, maybe this is just a weird coincidence, but the very next day after my post, the heat started and it's been on since. It's actually quite pleasant right now

Thnks to all for your answers and tips
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Old 29.11.2010, 12:51
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Re: Little to no heat

Your landlord's not a member of the EF by any chance is he?
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Old 29.11.2010, 14:23
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Re: Little to no heat

Heating works in 2 ways.

The boiler will be programmed to pump hot water through the radiators/floor at pre-determinded times - and a certain base temperature.

You can then adjust the floors/radiators in each room by increasing/decreasing the flow of hot water.

A system that has the radiators set on 5 is running correctly - and should be adjusted at boiler level.

Additionally, you should check that the whole radiator is warm - a quick google check will get you information on what problems you may have depending on where your radiator is cold.
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Re: Little to no heat

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The heating is usually regulated according to the landlord's wishes. Perversely (and to my mind, counter-intuitively), the heating is often turned down at night (since all Swiss people are tucked up and asleep in their nice, warm beds from 10:00 pm). This is out of your control; you can only regulate the temperature when the heating is actually on (as determined by the landlord)
Is this a rule? I have a friend who said the same about his apartment and I thought it would be ridiculous to have a rule like that!

Anyways we pay the extra heating charges and we should have the option to use it as and when we want! Moreover doesn't it make sense that the heater should NOT be turned off during the coldest time?
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Old 29.11.2010, 15:41
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Re: Little to no heat

Personally I wake up in the morning absolutely boiling, and I sleep in the nuddy! I suggest the more cold-sensitive amongst you invest in thermal pyjamas, a hot water bottle, a thick quilt and a blanket.
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Old 29.11.2010, 16:02
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Re: Little to no heat

Could be that the radiators need `bleeding`.
A build up of air in the system does not allow the hot water to flow into the radiators.
The radiators have a square valve at one end and a simple `bleeding` key (no jokes please) can be used to open slowly, to let the air escape.
When water appears . . . turn it off.
Check to see if the radiators are slightly warm at one end. That could indicate this problem.
A key is available from most DIY stores but there may already be one in the appt.
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Old 29.11.2010, 16:45
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Re: Little to no heat

It's quite common for the radiators to be down to ten or fifteen at night which can seem freezing to us night owls but energy saving to the early to bed swiss... Likewise no heat at all on a freezing May or August day and no amount of dial turning can change it.
Maybe if it is a small building and your neighbours feel the same the timer or thermostat could be adjusted?
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Old 29.11.2010, 17:01
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Re: Little to no heat

You did all read post number seven I presume?
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Old 29.11.2010, 17:25
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Re: Little to no heat

I know I did, but the advice given after post seven could serve useful for someone in a similar situation, couldn't it?
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You did all read post number seven I presume?
Yes - but a hot appartment doesn't mean the heating working efficiently and the radiators are working in an optimal way. I look forward to her post next year "Why is my nebenkosten an extra 4000chf per year?"
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Old 29.11.2010, 17:58
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Yes - but a hot appartment doesn't mean the heating working efficiently and the radiators are working in an optimal way. I look forward to her post next year "Why is my nebenkosten an extra 4000chf per year?"
Exactly!

Ours has been repaired/serviced today. The heating and hot water wasn't warm enough. I suppose I could have just whacked up the boiler temperature but I got someone out instead.

It turned out that the boiler (two years old) was completely blocked up due to the hard water.

Turning up the settings would have been akin to throwing money away.
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Re: Little to no heat

I don't want to start a new thread as this is a recent one about radiators, but does anyone have the "two dial" radiators? We have an outer one (white) that turns, and an inner one (black) that also turns. Does anyone know what they control (ie. white is main, black is offset)?

Our house generally stays warm enough (I keep it chilly anyway), but I thought I'd ask the question.
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Re: Little to no heat

We have a couple of radiators that are hot at the top - but cold at the bottom. I have researched the problem - and sent the information to the landlord - but is refusing to do anything about the problem.

One for the Mietverband??

The problem is that the radiators will have to be hotter to reach the same room temperature - and so increased nebenkosten.

He sent us a letter yesterday saying we highlighted the point - and that he considers that there is no problem - and wasn't happy that I kept trying to push the point that the heating needs inspecting. Should we just wait until he wants the nebenkosten paid? Then send him a letter back saying we refuse to pay because he failed to service the heating as requested?
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Re: Little to no heat

One of my radiators is doing a gurgling sound ,Ive tried letting the air out(as suggested earlier) But its still making the noise any help would be appreciated
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