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Old 19.07.2007, 19:11
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Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

Hi there - I would've put this in the apartment/housing forum but for some reason I can't access it.

Anyway, is it normal for a current tenant to charge a new tenant a "reprise" for costs that he/she incurred doing improvements to the apartment when they lived there (such as painting, new flooring, lighting, etc)? And what would be a reasonable amount for this if it is a normal thing? I can't come across anyone who has ever heard of this or has ever paid this. This is for an apartment in Geneva.
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Old 19.07.2007, 19:17
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Re: Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

This is not your apartment. You dont own it and neither does the previous tenant. You are a renting it from the owner. Any improvements that occurred during the previous tenancy are really none of your business, as your deal is with the landlord to rent the apartment as-is.

What you describe sounds fishy to me , bizarre at best...

Would I be right in saying that the current tenant will be linking your reaction to whether he puts you forward to the landlord for consideration ?

Ive known this happen with furniture the old tenant doesnt want to shift....

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Hi there - I would've put this in the apartment/housing forum but for some reason I can't access it.

Anyway, is it normal for a current tenant to charge a new tenant a "reprise" for costs that he/she incurred doing improvements to the apartment when they lived there (such as painting, new flooring, lighting, etc)? And what would be a reasonable amount for this if it is a normal thing? I can't come across anyone who has ever heard of this or has ever paid this. This is for an apartment in Geneva.
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Old 19.07.2007, 19:25
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Hi there - I would've put this in the apartment/housing forum but for some reason I can't access it.

Anyway, is it normal for a current tenant to charge a new tenant a "reprise" for costs that he/she incurred doing improvements to the apartment when they lived there (such as painting, new flooring, lighting, etc)? And what would be a reasonable amount for this if it is a normal thing? I can't come across anyone who has ever heard of this or has ever paid this. This is for an apartment in Geneva.

NOPE!

Unless the previous tenant is the OWNER of the flat,but exactly this situation would then rather be reflected in a new lease,e.g the improvemnts made can make the flat a tad more expensive per month ! But it's clearly stated in the Swiss Obligationenrecht that a tenant has to hand back a flat in the state he took it over! All alterations ( paint,laminate flooring,new bathroom taps etc) to it, need the OK from the landlord/owner of that flat!

So if the walls were white upon taking it over, the leaving tenant has to repaint them white again,if he put down some laminate flooring on his own costs, he MIGHT (but only MIGHT) strike a deal with the landlord of getting the cost of material back.
BUT NEVER can a leaving tenant charge a new tenant,exception would be if you were to take over(i.e. buy) some furniture,then you might have to pay for it.But even if he doesn't want to take down the lamps for example you are not obliged to A) take them over nor b) pay for them!!!

It seems to me a case of 'let's fleece the stupid foreigner who has no clue about the dealings here' !!!!

Don't fall for it!!
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Old 19.07.2007, 19:30
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Re: Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

Actually it does happen in Geneva. Not saying that it's common, but it happens. Tight market, people don't argue. Highest I've seen was CHF18k.
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Re: Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

Wow! Paying for something thats not yours to someone that doesn't own it. It sounds like landing slots.

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Old 19.07.2007, 22:53
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Re: Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

As Shorrick Mk2 said, this certainly happens in Geneva, but I've only seen it for items left in the flat (appliances, lights, custom curtains). But you certainly can negotiate. We took over (i.e bought) the washing machine, but said we didn't want the lights. Of course, they didn't bother taking them down. So we got those for free.

Because of the tight market, many people just go ahead & pay the "reprise". I don't know about the painting & new flooring etc. We painted the kitchen in that apartment & even thought the new tenant wanted to keep the paint (it was lovely blue), the landlord refused, painted it white & charged us for it.
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Re: Reprise for apartment improvement costs?

Thanks for the input everyone! My initial instinct was to agree with DaveA and Eastenders. However, as expressed by Shorrick and MiniMia people who have lived in Geneva seem to have definitely seen this before. It turns out the owner is aware of this and will actually be handing out a price sheet of the costs asked by the tennant at the visit! It sounds like a way for the owner to get brand new shiny things in his apartment without any costs to him!

Anyway, I defintely think negotiation is in order if we end up getting this apartment... Thanks again!
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