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Old 21.12.2010, 13:55
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Re: Can my housemate forbid a friend from visiting me?

Sounds like one of those situations that if all parties are not able to sort it out face to face, it would be better for the short or long term for one or more parties to get out of there, whatever the legal situation. Who wants to live in an atmosphere like that?
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Old 21.12.2010, 13:57
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Be careful here.

If anything. If you are closer to your friend.... I'd move out.
Best advice so far........get out of there.



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Old 21.12.2010, 13:58
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Re: Can my housemate forbid a friend from visiting me?

It doesn't matter if you are the main renter or the subrenter. The rented rooms and the access to these rooms are your private sphere. If there is no reasonable cause for a "Hausverbot" then it is none of other peoples business. The person states that the whole appartment is "meine Räumlichkeiten" which is not true as your rented rooms do not belong to this.

If there are no rules in the "Hausordnung" forget about the double locking fine, and even if there is a rule there is no way a private person can fine you.
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OK, I can see your perspective if this is the case. But clearly, there is a LOT more to the story that you can't possibly know.

I had to run the German bit through google translate before... (Wow).

I would just advise to take a precautionary step back and keep your mouth shut and observe for a bit



Your previous use of the word 'amicable' and 'Article 186' just don't play well together.


Be careful here.

If anything. If you are closer to your friend.... I'd move out.
You're right and I'm looking for somewhere to live, but just ain't so easy a week before Christmas...
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Re: Can my housemate forbid a friend from visiting me?

OK, so it's all girls, so I can dispense with the genderless pronouns .
As far as I can tell, unless there is a legal restriction, your flatmate cannot prevent your friend (her ex) from visiting. However, as she seems quite a vindictive bitch, I would be tempted to take the hit and not to invite your friend for Christmas. Book a hotel, go skiing or something. Then as fast as physically possible, get another place to live as she must be an absolute frigging (excuse the term) nightmare to live with.
Alternatively, of course, invite her round anyway, drink way too much and you never know what might happen .

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Re: Can my housemate forbid a friend from visiting me?

As an "Untermieter" you have basically the same rights as a normal tenant. So you're certainely entitled to invite any of your friends.

Another question is whether it would be a very good idea to invite your friend as things would certainly come to a head. Maybe you should look for another place to stay even if this can be quite a challenge in Zurich.
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Old 21.12.2010, 14:01
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Re: Can my housemate forbid a friend from visiting me?

Funny how some people think they can make there own laws up. Did she say where the 300CHF fine goes to?

One scenario that immediately sprang to mind is that the ex is now stalking her former partner. This would explain the notice on the door about double locking, the over-reaction - perhaps arising from fear. It certainly seems that one or the other (or both?) is a bunny boiler.
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No she is not, she just rents the flat I live in.
Ok, so she cannot hand out any fines of 300 CHF as she does not have any right over the main entrance, does she? - even if she was the landlord, she could not make up 300 chf fines easily.

She is making up some pseudo legal rules, the same is most likely true for the Hausverbot. That said: Your flatmate seems to have some issues... and is pretty strong and perseverant about them. I would not push it any further (like your Christmas dinner plan) without discussing the topic with her. If she behaves like this, you probably need to take a strong stand that you are allowed to chose your friends yourself and invite whoever you want unless they break the Hausordnung in any way.
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Old 21.12.2010, 14:03
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Pffft, lesbians

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It doesn't matter if you are the main renter or the subrenter. The rented rooms and the access to these rooms are your private sphere. If there is no reasonable cause for a "Hausverbot" then it is none of other peoples business. The person states that the whole appartment is "meine Räumlichkeiten" which is not true as your rented rooms do not belong to this.

If there are no rules in the "Hausordnung" forget about the double locking fine, and even if there is a rule there is no way a private person can fine you.
Oh the double locking fine is just a load of bollocks and another way of her venting her anger...

I checked on line with the Mieterverband and as far as I could make out I have just as many rights as an untermieter, as she does and as long as my guests are not doing anything illegal then she cannot accuse them of trepassing. Jeez, what is going through her head?
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Old 21.12.2010, 14:06
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Jeez, what is going through her head?
I refer my learned partner to the aforementioned bunny-boiler evidence. M'lud.
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OK, so it's all girls, so I can dispense with the genderless pronouns .
As far as I can tell, unless there is a legal restriction, your flatmate cannot prevent your friend (her ex) from visiting. However, as she seems quite a vindictive bitch, I would be tempted to take the hit and not to invite your friend for Christmas. Book a hotel, go skiing or something. Then as fast as physically possible, get another place to live as she must be an absolute frigging (excuse the term) nightmare to live with.
Alternatively, of course, invite her round anyway, drink way too much and you never know what might happen .

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Ok, so she cannot hand out any fines of 300 CHF as she does not have any right over the main entrance, does she? - even if she was the landlord, she could not make up 300 chf fines easily.

She is making up some pseudo legal rules, the same is most likely true for the Hausverbot. That said: Your flatmate seems to have some issues... and is pretty strong and perseverant about them. I would not push it any further (like your Christmas dinner plan) without discussing the topic with her. If she behaves like this, you probably need to take a strong stand that you are allowed to chose your friends yourself and invite whoever you want unless they break the Hausordnung in any way.
I had previously agreed the Christmas dinner situation with my flatmate and she thought it was a great idea as she is away and she would be happy that the house wasn't empty
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Funny how some people think they can make there own laws up. Did she say where the 300CHF fine goes to?

One scenario that immediately sprang to mind is that the ex is now stalking her former partner. This would explain the notice on the door about double locking, the over-reaction - perhaps arising from fear. It certainly seems that one or the other (or both?) is a bunny boiler.

I am about 500% certain that this is not the situation.
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I had previously agreed the Christmas dinner situation with my flatmate and she thought it was a great idea as she is away and she would be happy that the house wasn't empty
What, so she's not even going to be there? She really is quite mad.
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I foresee one hell of a Christmas party coming up...

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aahhhhh.......I was trying to resist.... but..........c-c-c-c-----can't



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aahhhhh.......I was trying to resist.... but..........c-c-c-c-----can't



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I am about 500% certain that this is not the situation.
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