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Horgen vs Kusnacht

We are considering moving to either of the captioned from Kreis 8 in Zurich. Any recommendations on which one to look for? We are a family of three which includes a 7 month old infant.

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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

If you have a generous budget for rentals, I'd go for:

Küsnacht

East side of the lake ( Gold Coast )


Horgen ( west side of the lake ) is ok probably not as prestigious
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

Kuesnacht is nearer the city of Zurich and has an excellent infrastructure for families, in my experience.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

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We are considering moving to either of the captioned from Kreis 8 in Zurich. Any recommendations on which one to look for? We are a family of three which includes a 7 month old infant.

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Küsnacht is a shade bit closer to Zürich HB than Horgen is.

It really depends on the depth of your pockets and the size of the apartment that you are after. 3.5 zimmer apartments in Kusnacht range at least from 2300 CHF and up, for something decent and relatively new. More for 4.5 zimmers and definitely more if you want a lake view or proximity to the lake or Küsnacht station. You will be hard pressed finding something lower. Alot of apartments up on the hill require buses to get into the Küsnacht HB and the village center - and the bus does take you down to Bellevue. Thats another choice if you dont want to take the sbahn into town. So take that into consideration if your wife needs to run errands on her own with the infant whilst you are out at work.

I suspect that you might be getting more for your money housing-wise down in Horgen. Tax situation wise, I dont have the numbers on top of my head but I do remember that Küsnacht is lower than Horgen but you do pay more per sqft here in Kusnacht for apartments. People are generally friendly here, everything's self contained with your local Coop, Migros, lots of other quaint shops, doctors, florists, etc etc and there's a great playground by the lake where mums and bubs gather every morning.

At the end of the day, do some serious number crunching and conclude what works out best for your family's quality of life.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

Between the two, if you are okay with the higher rent, Küsnacht is the better choice. I don't actually like Horgen that much. It is a tad too far from Zurich, Küsnacht is much closer. Taxes are lower in Gemeinde Küsnacht, its closer to the city and even thought your baby is still young, I would image Küsnacht to have better schools. (I have a friend living in Horgen and she was not so please with the choices she had and was considering sending her child to private school...its only a sample size of one but perhaps you should also think of this as you have a child)

Having said that, I think the left side (even though only seen as the silver coast) has more options and general advantages that offsets the "sunshine" argument of the gold coast. Not to make it more complicated for you, but Kilchberg, Rüschilikon or Thalwil (best train connection) would be higher on my list than Horgen, and is around the same distance as Küsnacht from Zurich.

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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

Went and saw the first set of apartments in Kuesnacht today. I like the village; like the area but anything on Alte Landstr or on Bergstr relies solely on 912 or 916. Both the buses have a frequency of 30 minutes and have a real exclusive coverage of areas, which doesn't help if you are relying on public transport.

I have a budget of 4500 CHF.

Can anyone recommend me areas in Kuesnacht where I should restrict my search to?

Also, if Kuesnacht has this issue with public transport, which I assume is one of the reasons for low taxes, shall I look at Kilchberg/ Thalwil?

I like Kreis 8 in Zuerich but it feels slightly congested on streets which are convenient from a public transport point of view.

Look forward to recommendations on specific streets and areas.

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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

You may or may not get more for your money in Horgen than in Kusnacht - I get the impression there is a lot more new stuff on the Wollishofen/Kilchberg/Adliswil/Thalwil side of the lake...

Do you require lake views ? That's limiting...but there's so much (and a lot of foreigners!) in Wollishofen/Kilchberg/Thalwil - and the train connection from Thalwil is quite efficient...
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

No matter where you live outside of the major cities, unless you are walking distance to the train station, the bus is the best option and its normal outside of zurich, that there are only 2 an hour, sometimes 3 during rush hour. This is not the reason why a gemeinde has a lower tax rate.

If the convenience of public transport is your main thing, zurich is better for this with its full network of buses, trams and S-bahns
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

you can put the address of potential apartments into google maps and it will give you the public transport connections...
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

We have learned to work around the bus/train schedules, no problem. Even living "up the hill" is OK for walking to town, but have no baby stroller to push back

All in all, we are very happy with Kusnacht for the proximity to Zurich, small town feel, and lake. But housing is expensive.
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Went and saw the first set of apartments in Kuesnacht today. I like the village; like the area but anything on Alte Landstr or on Bergstr relies solely on 912 or 916. Both the buses have a frequency of 30 minutes and have a real exclusive coverage of areas, which doesn't help if you are relying on public transport.

I have a budget of 4500 CHF.

Can anyone recommend me areas in Kuesnacht where I should restrict my search to?

Also, if Kuesnacht has this issue with public transport, which I assume is one of the reasons for low taxes, shall I look at Kilchberg/ Thalwil?

I like Kreis 8 in Zuerich but it feels slightly congested on streets which are convenient from a public transport point of view.

Look forward to recommendations on specific streets and areas.

-GS
Sorry but you'll need to realign your expectations about the frequency of transport if you are moving from Seefeld to Küsnacht. There is no dodging the fact of the buses' infrequency versus the S6 and S16 (which leaves every 15 minutes) - which is why we gave up the possibility of a gorgeous, panaromic lake view for proximity to the train station as my husband commutes to Bern daily. Only houses higher up have the better views.

Other towns outside the Zone 10 will also face the same challenge of having infrequent public transport - no matter which side of the lake you move to.

Küsnacht isnt that big. Narrowing down the areas will decrease your choices even further. But for starters, you might want to look for apartments around the sportshalle (towards the direction of Erlenbach) or the area around the Goldbach station for easy access to the Goldbach train station. Its the stop before Küsnacht HB but is also considered Küsnacht. It is however without any amenities (except the huge Coop Bau and Hobby) and everyone does their shopping in Küsnacht itself.

At the end of the day, it really depends on your priorities and your wife's needs during the day whilst you are out at work - ease of transport vs amenities.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

I personally don't understand why so many people want to live in Küsnacht. I agree it's close to Zurich and it's on the lake but so are many other towns! Many houses (especially affordable ones) are up the hill and there is only one bus route leading there. Especially the area around Itschnach is a no go in my opinion. The bus runs twice an hour and it takes ages to get to Bellevue. Every train is faster! Worst of all in my opinion is that you can't even see the lake! If I pay these rental prices I want at least be able to see the lake. I have a full lake-view and I pay much less (as I live on the other side of the lake..) So unless you can find an apartment which is in the center of Küsnacht (at the lake) the other side offers better options. Or consider Zollikon, I like it a lot more. Küsnacht just has a fancy name but I believe does not life up to the reputation (anymore).

Check out the other side of the lake: Wollishofen, Kilchberg, Rüschlikon or Thalwil and even Oberrieden. Every train stops in Thalwil and it takes you 8 to 10 minutes to get to Zurich HB. Thalwil is a much bigger town than Küsnacht and there are by far more shops there. Also Küsnacht has a tax rate of 77% and Thalwil has 80% so the difference is not that big and rental prices are lower (check http://www.steueramt.zh.ch/html/steu...euerfuesse.htm for an overview of the tax rates).

But in the end it's a personal joice. As I said I never got why Küsnacht is so sought after I would definitely not limit the search to just those two (Küsnacht and Horgen) but check Thalwil, Rüschlikon and Kilchberg as well. But as other posted before me it also depends on whether you have a car or not.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

I am not familiar with the other side of the lake (the Kilchberg, Rüshlikon area) - more so with this side. When we first searched for apartments, we looked on the entire gold coast, on the main sbahn line - the furthest was Mannedorf simply because of commute reasons. Kusnacht was one of those with a concentrated town centre (the others being Mannedorf and Meilen) with alot of services and shops that you need/want without having to go into the city, whilst others had limited amenities scattered all around. There was one (I think it was Feldmeilen) when I stepped in, my first reaction was "THATS IT????"

I never understood the "prestige" either. In fact, I wasnt even aware of it. It was only after we found a place where friends (and even hubby's boss) started teasing us about being "posh" and "moving up the world". Silly really. Its just a lovely town not too far away from the city, where I am happy to be in most of the week and accessibility for my dog to the lake and the forest.

You are right in the sense that the OP shouldnt restrict his choices to just Kusnacht as there are many other towns probably offering more housing options for accessibility to the sbahn line versus just concentrating on the town alone. If thats whats most important to him and his family at the end of the day.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

4500chf in that are should get get you a good place - but beware, some places aren't worth the cash. Landlords having high prices for dated places - old kitchens/bathrooms. But generally the quality of rental places are higher because people expect more on that side of the lake.

We will be paying 4250chf inkl in Zollikon for 4.5 - 122m2. There are still loads left in the new building.

Zollikon lacks the "centre" of Kusnacht feel. 10mins from front door to Bellevue though.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

When I lived in Zurich, the reason the Kusnacht/Zollikon/Zumikon areas were popular with International families with kids was because of the ICS School in Zumikon. That's why these places commanded a premium even if lake views were few and far between.
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

I think I have started to understand why Kuesnacht is so sought after. For all the families living there, I have another question. In winters, for the following activities, what do you do?

1. Swimming - Is Schwimmbad Fohrbach the nearest swimming pool?
2. Tennis - The club in Kuesnacht?
3. Golf in Summer - Will Greifensee be the nearest golf course?

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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

By far the biggest plus for Horgen is that it is on the right side of the lake for getting to the mountains. At least 30 minutes quicker than Kusnacht to most places.
Plus, its a decent workout to cycle in to work in the morning, being about 15k. the 7k of Kusnacht or Thalwil isn't worth getting sweaty for.

And it's only 15-20 min into Zurich by train for work when you're not cycling

(Ok, only my prejudices here in why Horgen is good...)
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Re: Horgen vs Kusnacht

The best places to live in Kusnacht are where the 912 and 916 merge - there you get peak time buses every 7/8 minutes - it is one reason why I'd rate Zollikon ahead of Kusnacht.

Spross still have places available.
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I think I have started to understand why Kuesnacht is so sought after. For all the families living there, I have another question. In winters, for the following activities, what do you do?

1. Swimming - Is Schwimmbad Fohrbach the nearest swimming pool?
2. Tennis - The club in Kuesnacht?
3. Golf in Summer - Will Greifensee be the nearest golf course?

Many thanks!

-GS
I just wanted to say something about the golf: I think Greifensee is only a driving range. The nearest public golfcourses, Otelfingen and Holzheusern are on the westside of the lake, around 30 minutes from Horgen. From Kussnacht, you need to give it additional 15 minutes at least...
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