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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

I love living in Paquis! I can walk downtown in 15 minutes and it takes me 5 to walk to the train station! And if I am craving something to nibble on late nights I can go to one of the corner shops!

Yes it can be shady, just don't talk to the guys that are trying to sweet talk you and just be careful like you always should be anyways in Geneva!

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We are planning a family trip to Geneva with a 3 y old child for a weekend in March. While searching for a suitable hotel I have read several posts on Tripadvisor forum mentioning that Manotel hotels might be good for staying with children. As I can see for its website all of the hotels in this network are located in Paquis. Though they are outside of the area marked on the picture posted by Jagermeister (they are mostly situated along Rue de Lausanne, only one (Edelweiss) is between this area and the lake) I am still worrying if they are suitable for living with the child. As my husband will be busy for some time, I will be walking alone with my daughter between the hotel and the local public transport stop (in the daylight, though) several times.

Please advise me if this hotels network and the area would be OK or do I have to look for the hotels elsewhere? I would be thankful for any advises.
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

I've stayed in a couple of those hotels. Perhaps not an ideal area with a small child as not the nicest of areas... But perfectly okay and safe during the day. Most of the hotels are in Paquis (or near the airport) so it isn't easy to avoid the area. You also have good transports links being right near the tram stop and walking distance to the train station.

There are a few good Indian restaurants nearby as well and you are close to the lake and gardens. It's not uncommon to have to pay 300chf + per night so if the price is good I wouldn't worry about staying there.

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We are planning a family trip to Geneva with a 3 y old child for a weekend in March. While searching for a suitable hotel I have read several posts on Tripadvisor forum mentioning that Manotel hotels might be good for staying with children. As I can see for its website all of the hotels in this network are located in Paquis. Though they are outside of the area marked on the picture posted by Jagermeister (they are mostly situated along Rue de Lausanne, only one (Edelweiss) is between this area and the lake) I am still worrying if they are suitable for living with the child. As my husband will be busy for some time, I will be walking alone with my daughter between the hotel and the local public transport stop (in the daylight, though) several times.

Please advise me if this hotels network and the area would be OK or do I have to look for the hotels elsewhere? I would be thankful for any advises.
I live near hotels Jade and N'Vy (both Manotel), the area seems fine for children in my opinion. It is a part of P‚quis called Wilson, far from the "dark" areas. Actually less than 100 meters away from Hotel Jade there is also President Wilson hotel, a famous 5* hotel with the reputation of lodging some of the most important world leaders when they come to Geneva, so you can imagine not all the quarter has the same reputation.

Both Hotel Royal and Hotel Auteuil are in Rue Lausanne, a big crowded avenue full of restaurants. Perfectly safe during the day, ocassional drug dealers on some corners at night (they are harmless in my opinion, but who knows).

I'd avoid Hotel Kipling, it should be safe but it is in a small dark street which doesn't seem very children-friendly.
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

I am a single female who needs to switch apartments in the middle of an internship unfortunately. The only place I am finding is an apartment next to Hotel Kempinski (with a doorman). I know this is an old thread, but how unsafe is this specific area of Paquis to walk around late at night. Would it be okay getting from public transportation to there or should I try to find another place? Thanks in advance!
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It is on rue philippe plantamour if that offers more information. Thanks again.
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I am a single female who needs to switch apartments in the middle of an internship unfortunately. The only place I am finding is an apartment next to Hotel Kempinski (with a doorman). I know this is an old thread, but how unsafe is this specific area of Paquis to walk around late at night. Would it be okay getting from public transportation to there or should I try to find another place? Thanks in advance!
Next to Hotel Kempinski is probably one the best areas in Geneva, at least according to the price and status. In that street in particular there are a couple of nursing homes for the elderly, so you can imagine it is not exactly full of crackheads or prostitutes

There are not many public transportation stops nearby, I'm assuming you would go by bus to any of the stops in Rue P‚quis, or by tram to Gare Cornavin and then walk. From Rue Paquis (stop Montheux for example) it would be only like 2 minutes walking, very safe quiet streets I think.
From Gare Cornavin it would be around 10 minutes, and the most complicated area would be the Gare Cornavin square itself, I always find some weird people there. But then Rue des Alpes / Rue Paquis / lake --> there shouldn't be any problems.

However if you feel uneasy about living there, I would just go one night and walk around for 10 minutes (you can also get a pint at The Clubhouse or Grand Duke as well). You will see it is not bad at all, and if we ever see the Sun in summer you will love being that close to the lake.
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

Jagermeister - thanks so much for the prompt reply! Any info helps as I need to make this decision in the next couple of days. I will take your suggestion and walk around the area this weekend. It sounds like it is actually a great location for the summer though, and anything is probably and upgrade from my current housing situation so I am trying to remain optimistic. =)
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

Two years ago I posted in this same thread a map saying more or less where was the "bad area" of Paquis. I keep living in this neighbourhood (almost 3 years already, not a single incident or problem), and now I can refine it more.

I would avoid living in the following streets:



Those are the streets where you can see the strange P‚quis "fauna" (drug dealers, prostitutes, drunks...). Are they safe? well, I've always cross them and never had a problem, but if you are a cautious person or feel easily frightened I would avoid them.

When I'm with more people, we usually go down Rue des Alpes (the street where it says "Hotel des Alpes" in the map), cross the square where in the map says "Hotel Residence Mont Blanc" and walk all along Rue des Paquis.

And to clarify also the previous 'map' I posted, Rue de P‚quis seems very safe to me. And I love that it has so many restaurants, English pubs, a couple of supermarkets, coffee places...
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

This map is VERY VERY helpful - thank you so much for updating it and posting it. I will print this out before I venture out to the area. I suspect I am being overly cautious, but you just never know as a young female what can happen. I think as long as I am safe, aware of my surroundings, and avoid those streets late at night, it should be just fine hopefully. Thanks again!
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This map is VERY VERY helpful - thank you so much for updating it and posting it. I will print this out before I venture out to the area. I suspect I am being overly cautious, but you just never know as a young female what can happen. I think as long as I am safe, aware of my surroundings, and avoid those streets late at night, it should be just fine hopefully. Thanks again!
well don't take it as God's word but I'm glad it can be helpful. Remember the "square" of streets between Rue des Alpes - Rue du Mole - Rue Lausanne - Rue des Paquis and try to avoid them.

Good luck with the new apartment, and if you need any help with the neighbourhood or whatever don't hesitate to send me a pm
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That area is certainly not fit for a single lady and last time I saw it, it was not well lit and you would be better looking elsewhere. Its difficult finding apartments in Geneva and if you have a car you could live on the outskirts far more safely than in the Paquis area. Lots of druggies about and years ago it was already a doubtful area and I believe far worse these days. You have been warned!
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That area is certainly not fit for a single lady and last time I saw it, it was not well lit and you would be better looking elsewhere. Its difficult finding apartments in Geneva and if you have a car you could live on the outskirts far more safely than in the Paquis area. Lots of druggies about and years ago it was already a doubtful area and I believe far worse these days. You have been warned!
Let me guess, you also drive your children to school in a 4x4 and never let them tie their own shoes.
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Quite wrong. I do not have a 4 x 4 and I do not have children! I can however tell you of something that happened to a friend in Paquis area. She was driving alone when a guy pointed to her back wheels. She ignored him and continued on up to the top of the road. At that moment another man from the opposite side of the road started pointing to her wheels again. This time she got out and went to take a look. She got back into her car and the man in the car in front came to her window to tell her that her handbag had just been snatched from the front seat. So yes, I do not think this is the right area for a woman to live! Again I say nay!:
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Quite wrong. I do not have a 4 x 4 and I do not have children! I can however tell you of something that happened to a friend in Paquis area. She was driving alone when a guy pointed to her back wheels. She ignored him and continued on up to the top of the road. At that moment another man from the opposite side of the road started pointing to her wheels again. This time she got out and went to take a look. She got back into her car and the man in the car in front came to her window to tell her that her handbag had just been snatched from the front seat. So yes, I do not think this is the right area for a woman to live! Again I say nay!:
It is a bit silly to leave your bag on the front seat of your car in any city in any country. You cannot put that down to only happening in Paquis. Street smart is a good thing to have anywhere. Would you get out of your 4 x 4 in Lausanne if strange men pointed at your car?

I have been looking for a flat to call my own in Geneva for over two years, and i would be oh so happy if i got one in Paquis.

When, exactly, were you last in Paquis? I have just got back from there, hence the late post. Had a good meal, good laugh, good dance etc. I am single and still in one piece.
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Two years ago I posted in this same thread a map saying more or less where was the "bad area" of Paquis. I keep living in this neighbourhood (almost 3 years already, not a single incident or problem), and now I can refine it more.

I would avoid living in the following streets:



Those are the streets where you can see the strange P‚quis "fauna" (drug dealers, prostitutes, drunks...). Are they safe? well, I've always cross them and never had a problem, but if you are a cautious person or feel easily frightened I would avoid them.

When I'm with more people, we usually go down Rue des Alpes (the street where it says "Hotel des Alpes" in the map), cross the square where in the map says "Hotel Residence Mont Blanc" and walk all along Rue des Paquis.

And to clarify also the previous 'map' I posted, Rue de P‚quis seems very safe to me. And I love that it has so many restaurants, English pubs, a couple of supermarkets, coffee places...
Agree with you on your map. I was not referring to RUE des Paquis of the Hotel des Alpes, but to its general area, well covered and delineated in your map. Restaurants are good all over Geneva and do you know Au Fin Bec, if it is still there. I lived in rue du MŰle many years ago and the last time I was in the area was to visit the Hair Academie. Parking out of the question... and do you know if the Pont du Mont-Blanc is still closed to traffic on Sundays? Best regards
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It is a bit silly to leave your bag on the front seat of your car in any city in any country. You cannot put that down to only happening in Paquis. Street smart is a good thing to have anywhere. Would you get out of your 4 x 4 in Lausanne if strange men pointed at your car?

I have been looking for a flat to call my own in Geneva for over two years, and i would be oh so happy if i got one in Paquis.

When, exactly, were you last in Paquis? I have just got back from there, hence the late post. Had a good meal, good laugh, good dance etc. I am single and still in one piece.
Absolutely agree with you about leaving handbag on passenger seat! Worse than that even, down in Marseilles area a friend was driving along in her open-topped car with bag beside her. A motorbike shot beside her and gently swooped down and took it... There ARE crazy women in this world but mostly in Paquis area or Marseilles!!! I write with tongue in cheek. Myself I have got the solution and wear a bag around my waist and underneath my coat. If I do take a handbag it goes into the locked boot. Only once was my bag on the front seat and my dog in the car! A thief broke the lock, Rover 220, took the bag and papers. The dog remained totally silent! But that's the King Charles Cavaliers for you. Not the one in the photo. She travelled with her own personal guard dog... Cheerz
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Re: Apartment in PAQUIS, Geneva: yay or nay?

Such a useful thread, thank you to all posters for imparting their wisdom with regards to this part of town. Opinion seems to be split down the middle!

We're moving to Sydney in July and Paquis is currently top of the list of places we'd like to live in. It's a twenty minute walk from my wife's work (near the UN), close to the city centre, seems to have great transit links, and has some life and character to it... all plusses in our book.

Hookers, drug dealers, drug-addicts, party-goers, and drunks are ever-present in Kings Cross/Darlinghurst, the area where my wife and I currently live in Sydney. They tend to stick to themselves and, to my memory, we've never had a single unpleasant encounter with anyone although both of our bikes were stolen this year.

Knowing that Geneva is one of the safer cities in the world we're quietly confident that we'll enjoy living in Paquis. That said, the above posts have given us an extra shot of "street smarts" and the local knowledge will definitely serve us well when we eventually get on the ground and start the flat hunt.

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get a pint at The Clubhouse or Grand Duke
Big thanks to Jagermeister for the stellar virtual tour guiding, I've added those bars to my "must-test-the-beer-here-list".

Quick follow up questions:

Are there other areas like Paquis that we might not know about but should, and that fulfil our above criteria?

What are the hidden gems of this area? Are there any great cafes, restaurants or pubs in Paquis that we have to try that haven't been mentioned on here yet?

We can live pretty simply and don't need a lot of space so does 2500-3000 seem a fair monthly price for a 1-2 bedroomed flat in Paquis nearish to the lake? Is it even realistic to think we'll be able to find something?

Thanks in advance to everyone who weighs in, it's greatly appreciated.

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Are there other areas like Paquis that we might not know about but should, and that fulfil our above criteria?
Near your wife's job the only other quarter would be Petit Saconnex, and it is very residential and quiet.
If you take Google Maps, it is the area delimited by the train tracks on one side, "Avenue Giuseppe Motta" on another, and between rue du Grand-Pre and Avenue du France on the sides.
Then, north of that is Grand-Saconnex, which doesn't count as Geneva anymore, it is considered a different county. Even more residential and quiet, but still on walking distance to the UN.

If you want to live in a quarter with "character", there is Les Grottes, right behind the train station, which is the quarter of squatters, street arts, open markets and hippies in general (I love it, but it's worth checking because it's not for everyone) and maybe Plainpalais (all the streets surrounding "plain de plainpalais"), very lively, but that's further away from the UN, although with public transportation is less than 10 mins.

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I like Cafe Art's, very tiny but interesting place to have a drink or a burger; Espresso Club, not a club but an even tinier pizza place, some people say it has the best pizzas in Geneva (along with Luigia's); Gelatomania is considered one of the best ice creams in the city. All these 3 are in Rue de Paquis, less than 100m from one another.

About pubs, besides those two there's Mr Pickwicks' at the end of Rue Lausanne, Lord Jim Pub (next to Mole tram stop) and Britannia (Cornavin square), I think. Plus Les Brasseurs for swiss food and homebrewed beer (Cornavin square too). I'm not much of a fan of cocktails, but I think Le Scandale (rue Lausanne) serves good ones, and has a dance floor on the basement.

When there is good weather the best thing is to stay away from the bars and pub and just go to the lakeside and have a drink at La Terrasse (quai Wilson, in front of Rue Leman), or bring your own from home, which is perfectly legal.

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I think yes, maybe a bit less if you are not right in front of the lake. CAGI ("Geneva International Welcome Center") publishes statistics of rent prices, these are for 2015:
http://www.cagi.ch/uploads/pdf/stati...CDE%202015.pdf
One unfurnished apartment with 1 living room, 1 bedroom, kitchen and bathroom should be 1600-2200.

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