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20.01.2011, 11:56
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | The reason is ...i am friends with a 20 something who is an Au pair in Germany, she recieves a measly 200 euro a month from her family and has to pay for her language course out of this ..you would be suprised western ladies, but there are woman out there that are in a lot worse situation than yourselves. In fact with the current state of divorce law many men are looking to alternatives to marriage ....
We can even outsource the wifes duties ..at a lower rate now .... | | | | | so what you are saying is: Let's take advantage of those poor girls in need....
How big of you...
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20.01.2011, 11:59
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | .... In fact with the current state of divorce law many men are looking to alternatives to marriage ....
We can even outsource the wifes duties ..at a lower rate now .... | | | | | I bet many women are too with blokes like you around | This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post: | | 
20.01.2011, 12:01
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland
I have a strong feeling, nr. 7, that just because you've gotten divorced, your life is not going to get better.
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20.01.2011, 12:01
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | so what you are saying is: Let's take advantage of those poor girls in need....
How big of you... | | | | | No ,what im saying is that instead of getting married again, which is usually a 10 year contract (costing roughly 500,000chf) ..id rather take a one year contract @ 5000chf ..commercial decision if you get my drift. | 
20.01.2011, 12:04
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | It's not other people's business. The minimum wage in Switzerland is 3400 a month (or is it 3600?).. | | | | | I was just reading the other day that the Swiss federal gov't approved miminim wages for house cleaners very recently. Something like 18.50 chf per hour if minimum qualifications, going up to 20 chf with more experience/qualifications. Social deductions and some other things to be added of course.
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20.01.2011, 12:05
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | so what you are saying is: Let's take advantage of those poor girls in need....
How big of you... | | | | | All girls I know who became au pairs were quite far from "in need". They typically finished high school and did not want to rush into university directly but take a break. So instead, they decided to take a year to experience another culture. Move to another country and live with a family there. In exchange for the hospitality, you help with the housework and even get a small pocket money, so you do not cost your parents during said year. Yes, the question how much they should be working is a typical probelm with au pair families and I have heard that especially richer Swiss consider them to be "employees" and do not get the idea of it at all.
Again: they do not work for 200 Euros because they cannot find another job. And they definitely do not want to work fulltime for that money for a freshly divorced weirdo. I do not think that any half decent au pair agency would let a 20 year old girl move into your house. I am sure you went through a tough divorce, but your attitude towards women is really just wrong.
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20.01.2011, 12:07
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I was just reading the other day that the Swiss federal gov't approved miminim wages for house cleaners very recently. Something like 18.50 chf per hour if minimum qualifications, going up to 20 chf with more experience/qualifications. Social deductions and some other things to be added of course. | | | | | Isn't that pretty exactly the number I posted if you calculate it with 8hrs a day and 20 working days a month?
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20.01.2011, 12:10
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | All girls I know who became au pairs were quite far from "in need". They typically finished high school and did not want to rush into university directly but take a break. So instead, they decided to take a year to experience another culture. Move to another country and live with a family there. In exchange for the hospitality, you help with the housework and even get a small pocket money, so you do not cost your parents during said year. Yes, the question how much they should be working is a typical probelm with au pair families and I have heard that especially richer Swiss consider them to be "employees" and do not get the idea of it at all.
Again: they do not work for 200 Euros because they cannot find another job. And they definitely do not want to work fulltime for that money for a freshly divorced weirdo. I do not think that any half decent au pair agency would let a 20 year old girl move into your house. I am sure you went through a tough divorce, but your attitude towards women is really just wrong. | | | | | Who said im a weirdo ...i could be a successful businessman in Switzerland with a lucrative salary , 2 girlfriends, 2 kids , lots of friends ..simply looking at the alternatives... | 
20.01.2011, 12:10
| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | No ,what im saying is that instead of getting married again, which is usually a 10 year contract (costing roughly 500,000chf) ..id rather take a one year contract @ 5000chf ..commercial decision if you get my drift. | | | | | Well it's not really like that:
You're unlikely to able to employ someone on a low wage. I know that EU people can't get Visa for under around 2500 chfs in Zurich (the Gemeinde won't register you as they don't believe this is enough to live on in Stadt Zurich). Also, they won't be having sex with you, because typically people don't like to have sex with craven a$$holes.
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20.01.2011, 12:11
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Who said im a weirdo ...i could be a successful businessman in Switzerland with a lucrative salary , 2 girlfriends, 2 kids , lots of friends ..simply looking at the alternatives... | | | | | That won't stop someone to be a weirdo....
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20.01.2011, 12:11
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Well it's not really like that:
You're unlikely to able to employ someone on a low wage. I know that EU people can't get Visa for under around 2500 chfs in Zurich (the Gemeinde won't register you as they don't believe this is enough to live on in Stadt Zurich). Also, they won't be having sex with you, because typically people don't like to have sex with craven a$$holes. | | | | | well woman don't, men will hit anything with a pulse | 
20.01.2011, 12:13
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Who said im a weirdo ...i could be a successful businessman in Switzerland with a lucrative salary , 2 girlfriends, 2 kids , lots of friends ..simply looking at the alternatives... | | | | | Sounds like American Psycho to me.
... and your post on "I got divorced and will shag all females I can get from now on till I am 50". Not the household I would want anyone I care about to move in.
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20.01.2011, 12:15
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Sounds like American Psycho to me.
... and your post on "I got divorced and will shag all females I can get from now on till I am 50". Not the household I would want anyone I care about to move in. | | | | | Haha ..again my personal decision ... | 
20.01.2011, 12:19
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Haha ..again my personal decision ... | | | | | Well, if you are a so successful businessman, I am sure you could afford a decent salary. Decent is in Switzerland for a low end job about 3500 a month. You will most likely not need a live in full time housekeeper - you simply cannot wear that many clothes and have so a big house that she would be busy 8 hrs a day.
So how about 2 hours a day Mon-Fri? That would be 40 hours a month and if we calculate simply with 30 CHFs an hour (including all AHV and stuff) - you'd have your place more than clean for 1200 CHFs a month.
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20.01.2011, 12:20
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland
And it doesn't seem that you would qualify to have a au pair, as they need to be in a family situation, etc.
Anyhow for information, due to all the abuses of au pairs in Geneva, they had to legislate it. So the mandatory contract specifies the max. hours, miminum wages, adequate housing, paid vacation days, payment for language, social charges, insurance etc. Read all the details here. http://www.geneve.ch/legislation/rsg..._j1_50p12.html
Minimum wages per month, 790 chf, but it is irrelevant as the au pair would need to be in a family situation.
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20.01.2011, 12:26
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Well, if you are a so successful businessman, I am sure you could afford a decent salary. Decent is in Switzerland for a low end job about 3500 a month. You will most likely not need a live in full time housekeeper - you simply cannot wear that many clothes and have so a big house that she would be busy 8 hrs a day.
So how about 2 hours a day Mon-Fri? That would be 40 hours a month and if we calculate simply with 30 CHFs an hour (including all AHV and stuff) - you'd have your place more than clean for 1200 CHFs a month. | | | | | Again you are assuming things that you do not fully understand, i started this post to see if anyone has any decent reliable information on live in house keepers in Switzerland. Below you get an idea of the arrangement, including language fees, expenses etc ...please stop presuming things. http://www.aupairconnect.com/aupair-Switzerland.asp | 
20.01.2011, 12:28
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | And it doesn't seem that you would qualify to have a au pair, as they need to be in a family situation, etc.
Anyhow for information, due to all the abuses of au pairs in Geneva, they had to legislate it. So the mandatory contract specifies the max. hours, miminum wages, adequate housing, paid vacation days, payment for language, social charges, insurance etc. Read all the details here. http://www.geneve.ch/legislation/rsg..._j1_50p12.html
Minimum wages per month, 790 chf, but it is irrelevant as the au pair would need to be in a family situation. | | | | | As i already have a 23yo super model lined up to do the job...i just want to know what the legal requirments are for a "House Keeper " or personal assistant...
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20.01.2011, 12:29
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Again you are assuming things that you do not fully understand, i started this post to see if anyone has any decent reliable information on live in house keepers in Switzerland. Below you get an idea of the arrangement, including language fees, expenses etc ...please stop presuming things. http://www.aupairconnect.com/aupair-Switzerland.asp | | | | | It is easy to assume you do not fully understand because you talk about housekeeping but use aupair links to back up your statement. Apples and oranges.
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20.01.2011, 12:31
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| | Re: House Keeper in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | As i already have a 23yo super model lined up to do the job...i just want to know what the legal requirments are for a "House Keeper " or personal assistant... | | | | |  That is the great thing about internet, we can throw up any bullshit we want...
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20.01.2011, 12:31
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OP, you marketed the idea wrong and you've irritated delicate sensibilities.
I'd have approached it like this: "My apartment will have an extra room and I'm looking to rent it out. Ideally I'd like to negotiate a discount in exchange for the performance of some light housework. Does anyone have experience with this?"
Your motives might be pure but people aren't seeing it that way...
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