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From bad to worse eh?
I think you must be clairvoyant! This is now officially my 'housing disaster' thread.

To add to my mould infestation and having destroyed a patch of floor I think I just blew out my electrics. I'd been using the vacuum in the living room, moved through to the bedroom, plugged it in, hit 'on' and got a quick wheeze from it. Then nothing else. I thought my vacuum had died and was heading out to buy a new one when I hit a light switch and no light came on. It seems I've blown out the circuit at one end of my apartment but all the fuses (modern switch type) are untripped! So, time to babelfish 'can you help me fix my fuses' then phone the hauswart. If I couldn't laugh about it, I'd probably have to run away to sea!

Considering mould no reason to drop my standards, today became mega -housework day. If the landlord's coming in on Monday, I want it looking like a showhome just in case they think I'm some kind of mucky scumbag.
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I think you must be clairvoyant! This is now officially my 'housing disaster' thread.

To add to my mould infestation and having destroyed a patch of floor I think I just blew out my electrics. I'd been using the vacuum in the living room, moved through to the bedroom, plugged it in, hit 'on' and got a quick wheeze from it. Then nothing else. I thought my vacuum had died and was heading out to buy a new one when I hit a light switch and no light came on. It seems I've blown out the circuit at one end of my apartment but all the fuses (modern switch type) are untripped! So, time to babelfish 'can you help me fix my fuses' then phone the hauswart. If I couldn't laugh about it, I'd probably have to run away to sea!

Considering mould no reason to drop my standards, today became mega -housework day. If the landlord's coming in on Monday, I want it looking like a showhome just in case they think I'm some kind of mucky scumbag.
I would just give up and go to the Pub..
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I would just give up and go to the Pub..
How I wish I had! Instead, I finished my housework with the vacuum plugged in elsewhere, ate dinner then decided to have a cup of tea. I flicked the kettle on and pffft all the remaining electrics went off! Still no fuses tripped so no easy solution. So I've come into work.
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How I wish I had! Instead, I finished my housework with the vacuum plugged in elsewhere, ate dinner then decided to have a cup of tea. I flicked the kettle on and pffft all the remaining electrics went off! Still no fuses tripped so no easy solution. So I've come into work.
Please Scoobysue don't light any candles when you go home, I fear the worst.. Have you got a battery run flash night?
Sorry I can't help as I'm in Zürich hope you're going to be okay
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

I'll be fine, probably just go to sleep. No candles cos I'm so accident prone. I've got a flashlight - just hope the batteries hold out! What drove me out was the lack of computer and TV, zero entertainment.

I texted my relo agent, saying it was an emergency but not heard from her so hopefully it can all be sorted Monday - I figure I'll be in work tomorrow, too.

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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

Contact your building caretaker or the landlord directly, there should be an emergency number.
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Contact your building caretaker or the landlord directly, there should be an emergency number.
Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I did keep an eye out for the haus wart this morning but she wasn't around. I wasn't sure about disturbing her on a Sunday. So, I texted a colleague and am off to stay with her.

It can all get sorted tomorrow then my relo agent can do a tutorial on fuses, etc.
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So, the expert was here today - I couldn't be here, work commitment.

The relocation agent picked up the key but not my notes, nor my 'mould map' (floor plan with shading to indicate mouldy patches, colour coded according to mould density - yep, I've got no life).

So the outcome is:
  • they've not mentioned my little chemical burn on the floor, which I'd 'explained' in the notes
  • the green fuzzy stuff isn't mould. It's (this is good - wait for it) a glue used in the 1960s that is pushing up through the floor because it was put in new in August for my moving in. This glue is common and has been extensively tested; it can not cause an allergic reaction. Is it just me, or does this sound a tad far-fetched. Surely anything & everything can cause an allergic reaction in someone who's sensitive to it?
  • The agency will talk to the owner about putting in a new floor for poor li'l old me - the moany Brit
Back to square one for me - I'm certainly experiencing an allergic reaction to something and the doctor agreed my symptoms were allergy related. Am so glad I joined the Mieterverband, I think this is going to get messy.

On the bright side, all my electricity is working again and I might get a new floor.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

I'm dubious about it being 'glue' not mould...but if it is glue then absolutely you could be allergic to it.

are you allergic/sensitive to rubber ? - the might have used 'mastic' which is a type of rubber-based adhesive...

other likely option is that they used a PVA glue - polyvinyl acetate, which has acrylic/latex in there somewhere...
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they've not mentioned my little chemical burn on the floor, which I'd 'explained' in the notes
If I were you, I wouldn't mention this again

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the green fuzzy stuff isn't mould. It's (this is good - wait for it) a glue used in the 1960s that is pushing up through the floor because it was put in new in August for my moving in. This glue is common and has been extensively tested; it can not cause an allergic reaction. Is it just me, or does this sound a tad far-fetched. Surely anything & everything can cause an allergic reaction in someone who's sensitive to it?
If the marks are caused by glue, this would imply that sections of the floor have been lifted and relaid. If this is the case, it should be evident on close inspection (I guess that you are used to this bit by now). Does the floor look even around these areas? e.g. Are there any minor scratches or marks etc. that stop abruptly at the edge of a block? Is there a minute step between these areas and the 'good' floor?

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The agency will talk to the owner about putting in a new floor for poor li'l old me - the moany Brit
This implies that they are taking the matter seriously and that you have a justified complaint. If not, they may have dismissed your complaint. Good news for you. They certainly wouldn't even consider a new floor unless there was an obvious problem that they didn't think could be cured.

My guess (just a theory) is that there was damp as I originally suggested and sections of the floor may have lifted and been relaid due to this. This would explain mould and glue.

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Back to square one for me - I'm certainly experiencing an allergic reaction to something and the doctor agreed my symptoms were allergy related. Am so glad I joined the Mieterverband, I think this is going to get messy.
There could be other causes of the allergy, but it does sound to be a strange coincidence. Perhaps your doctor may be able to advise further.

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On the bright side, all my electricity is working again and I might get a new floor.
You were right to complain and it sounds positive to me. Hope they get back to you soon.

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I'm going to get a new floor!

I just spoke to the agents and they're looking at w/c 16 December - since I'll be away for Xmas by then, and it suits me. It all depends on whether the floor guy can fit it in that week.

Other good news, the chest x-ray was clear, no pneumonia (that's a genuine risk from chesty congestion due to my immunosuppression). Still no idea what the illness is but a science colleague told me there may be truth in the 'glue' story in that the glue could be providing a growing medium for the mould so the allergy would still be triggered. The scientists also offered to pop some of the mystery glue/mould substance into a 'culture' dish thing - if it grows, it ain't glue.

However, in order to do the floor, it will be necessary for all furniture to be out of that room. They've offered an empty apartment in my building for storage but my request (aka demand!) for workmen to move the furniture has to be run by the boss first.

Having had the relo agent cut out the equation is so empowering; I'm making use of the assertiveness training an ex-employer sent me on. I flat out refused to move any furniture and asked them to organise a couple of handymen to do that. If they refuse, I'll not cut off my nose to spite my face, it'll be there on the EF social events 'moving of furniture - a party not to be missed'
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I'm going to get a new floor!

I just spoke to the agents and they're looking at w/c 16 December - since I'll be away for Xmas by then, and it suits me. It all depends on whether the floor guy can fit it in that week.

Other good news, the chest x-ray was clear, no pneumonia (that's a genuine risk from chesty congestion due to my immunosuppression). Still no idea what the illness is but a science colleague told me there may be truth in the 'glue' story in that the glue could be providing a growing medium for the mould so the allergy would still be triggered. The scientists also offered to pop some of the mystery glue/mould substance into a 'culture' dish thing - if it grows, it ain't glue.

However, in order to do the floor, it will be necessary for all furniture to be out of that room. They've offered an empty apartment in my building for storage but my request (aka demand!) for workmen to move the furniture has to be run by the boss first.

Having had the relo agent cut out the equation is so empowering; I'm making use of the assertiveness training an ex-employer sent me on. I flat out refused to move any furniture and asked them to organise a couple of handymen to do that. If they refuse, I'll not cut off my nose to spite my face, it'll be there on the EF social events 'moving of furniture - a party not to be missed'
Good for you. When you didn't post for a few days, I thought you might be out walking the streets of Basel with a suitcase in hand..
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I'm going to get a new floor!

I just spoke to the agents and they're looking at w/c 16 December - since I'll be away for Xmas by then, and it suits me. It all depends on whether the floor guy can fit it in that week.

Other good news, the chest x-ray was clear, no pneumonia (that's a genuine risk from chesty congestion due to my immunosuppression). Still no idea what the illness is but a science colleague told me there may be truth in the 'glue' story in that the glue could be providing a growing medium for the mould so the allergy would still be triggered. The scientists also offered to pop some of the mystery glue/mould substance into a 'culture' dish thing - if it grows, it ain't glue.

However, in order to do the floor, it will be necessary for all furniture to be out of that room. They've offered an empty apartment in my building for storage but my request (aka demand!) for workmen to move the furniture has to be run by the boss first.

Having had the relo agent cut out the equation is so empowering; I'm making use of the assertiveness training an ex-employer sent me on. I flat out refused to move any furniture and asked them to organise a couple of handymen to do that. If they refuse, I'll not cut off my nose to spite my face, it'll be there on the EF social events 'moving of furniture - a party not to be missed'
You deserved the Thanks for your perseverance. There obviously was a problem. It may be that they knew about it before you moved in had hoped that they had solved it.

I would ask that someone independent looks at the surface under the wood floor before the new one is put down to ensure there is no damp present that could cause this to happen again.

Good luck in getting the work done.

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I'm going to get a new floor!

I just spoke to the agents and they're looking at w/c 16 December - since I'll be away for Xmas by then, and it suits me. It all depends on whether the floor guy can fit it in that week.

Other good news, the chest x-ray was clear, no pneumonia (that's a genuine risk from chesty congestion due to my immunosuppression). Still no idea what the illness is but a science colleague told me there may be truth in the 'glue' story in that the glue could be providing a growing medium for the mould so the allergy would still be triggered. The scientists also offered to pop some of the mystery glue/mould substance into a 'culture' dish thing - if it grows, it ain't glue.

However, in order to do the floor, it will be necessary for all furniture to be out of that room. They've offered an empty apartment in my building for storage but my request (aka demand!) for workmen to move the furniture has to be run by the boss first.

Having had the relo agent cut out the equation is so empowering; I'm making use of the assertiveness training an ex-employer sent me on. I flat out refused to move any furniture and asked them to organise a couple of handymen to do that. If they refuse, I'll not cut off my nose to spite my face, it'll be there on the EF social events 'moving of furniture - a party not to be missed'
It sounds like a good solution. As for moving the furniture, I think if you pack up all the small items so that everything is empty and can be moved easily, that is reasonable. Whatever you can move, that would be helpful too. At least you won't have to worry about damaging the floor when you move everything out.
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Good for you. When you didn't post for a few days, I thought you might be out walking the streets of Basel with a suitcase in hand..

Sorry I didn't like to post till I'd got some kind of news to report. Anyway, I'm off on a work trip in ten minutes so maybe the 'change of air' will do me good. I'm back Sunday, though.
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You deserved the Thanks for your perseverance.

Rod
Thanks for that. Of course, from this side of the situation, it's perserverance, from the other it's being a pain in the neck! ;-)

I'm very healthy today after 3 days & nights out of my apartment. The pollution in Barcelona made my nose bleed but I feel a million times better. I'll see how long the respite lasts - if it keeps me good for a week, I'll just go away every other weekend till the floor's replaced.

Something occurred to me, though, when I got home. I'd shut the windows due to being away but there was no smell of damp or 'mustiness' at all. I'm not 100% sure but mould would surely have an odour? Then I realised - it may be the duvet I bought here before my shipment arrived that I'm allergic to!! I'm sure it was hypo-allergenic but maybe not, I'd not have checked for that being, until recently, allergy free. I'll switch over to one of my 'imported' ones and see how I go but it will be deeply embarassing if it does turn out to be all my own fault for jumping to conclusions
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I take it you still haven't taken me up on my advice and gotten yourself blood tested for allergies :-) Have you been tested for dust-mite e.g.?


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Then I realised - it may be the duvet I bought here before my shipment arrived that I'm allergic to!!
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Something occurred to me, though, when I got home. I'd shut the windows due to being away but there was no smell of damp or 'mustiness' at all. I'm not 100% sure but mould would surely have an odour? Then I realised - it may be the duvet I bought here before my shipment arrived that I'm allergic to!! I'm sure it was hypo-allergenic but maybe not, I'd not have checked for that being, until recently, allergy free. I'll switch over to one of my 'imported' ones and see how I go but it will be deeply embarassing if it does turn out to be all my own fault for jumping to conclusions
Whether or not the problem with the floor has caused your allergy is not really important. It is clear that there was a problem with the floor and is has to be dealt with.

I also agree with Mrs Doolittle's comments that it would be a good idea for you you to clear the room of small items etc., particularly personal possessions.
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I take it you still haven't taken me up on my advice and gotten yourself blood tested for allergies :-) Have you been tested for dust-mite e.g.?
Sorry, with the previous firm diagnosis of mould-induced hayfever, I kind of assumed it must be that and went with investigating other potential causes of the symptoms (e.g. chest x-ray to check for infection/abnormalities) rather than confirm something that's already been 'proved' (albeit not through blood tests, the NHS is tight like that!). However, now they're saying it's 'glue' not mould and I'm identifying other 'new' things then I am doubting myself.

As Rod says, there is clearly a problem with the floor - otherwise they wouldn't have been so quick to offer to replace it. If a process of elimination doesn't identify any other culprit for the symptoms and the floor replacement doesn't help, then I can start down the road of testing, etc. With having ruled out any other causes, I can be certain it's only an allergy.

I absolutey agree on moving smaller items ready for the floor fitters - I can shift most of it within my apartment, only leaving two sofas and a filing cabinet, none of which I can physically lift. Obviously, the 'I'm worried about damaging the floor' excuse for not moving stuff is irrelevant in these circumstances. Even if they agree to move the 'big' stuff, I'd still want to pack and store the likes of breakables/valuables myself. I'll chase the agents for an answer next week - it could take several weekends for me to pack & store all my stuff from the living room.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

Seriously, I think you should go and see an allergy and asthma specialist. You seem to have a respiratory problem that should be investigated further. It could very well be that you are allergic to more things than just mould. As you are now no longer in NHS land I think you will get positively surprised at how serious they tend to do the checks for this type of problems here.

And Swiss houses are notorious for their mould so I wouldn't count it out just yet.


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Sorry, with the previous firm diagnosis of mould-induced hayfever, I kind of assumed it must be that and went with investigating other potential causes of the symptoms (e.g. chest x-ray to check for infection/abnormalities) rather than confirm something that's already been 'proved' (albeit not through blood tests, the NHS is tight like that!). However, now they're saying it's 'glue' not mould and I'm identifying other 'new' things then I am doubting myself.
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