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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

At the risk of going waaay off topic (yeah, like the blown-out electrics crisis was totally related to mould!), I see where you're coming from with the idea of pursuing medical investigations. I think the GP-type doctor I already saw did a thorough job of checking it's nothing other than a common allergic reaction. Since I shipped my household furnishings from home, the actual apartment is the only 'new' thing - otherwise I'd have been allergic before. Greenish furry stuff growing on the floor is therefore a sensible suspect for cause. If that is got rid of and I'm still symptomatic, then I can begin worrying. To be honest, the 'major' symptoms - e.g. fatigue, 'foggy' thinking process - are so 'text book' for some kind of psychological imbalance, I'm scared to go down the road of finding out too much about what's behind them.

The chest x-ray along with my regular blood tests (medication monitoring - full blood count, organ function tests, etc.) have pretty much ruled out anything infection based or things more sinister. With the doctor also having done a lung function test, that showed 'normal' lung function, there's not much else could be going on in my respiratory system. The doc is content it's 'only' allergy related and the symptoms responded well to simple medication.

If the floor is replaced and if there is no improvement at that time, I'll pursue the finding of a cause. I feel so much better for just a few days away, I'm having difficulty believing I felt so ill. That was the culmination of two months' exposure to whatever's triggering it. Mind you, I coped with feeling rotten by reassuring myself it would get better once the floor issue was resolved and I could gain temporary relief anytime by going to stay with a friend.

I'm only able to fight one thing at a time - for now it's the mysterious, comedy 'glue' (glue that grows!!) then I'll deal with the respiratory thing, if it's not gone.
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Well I use a special anti-mould spray for it. I just do not know what this guy is up to actually.
Could anyone please let me know the brand name of this anti-mould spray? Are they readily available in Coop or Migros?
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

I just use bleach, which has proven to be quite effective. You can get it anywhere...and it's cheap!
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

Thanks Erin. I just did some googling and found out that there is one that we get in Coop- Sipuro Schimmel-Frei.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

Finally! I've got a date confirmed for the floor to be replaced. They're beginning on 16 Dec, the day I leave for Xmas. My employer's handyman is coming in that morning at 08.00 to shift the last 3 bits of furniture - the heavy ones I can't deal with. I am pushing off to the airport and not involving myself in any way, shape or form.

Sadly, although I thought 'goodie, no need to vacuum or mop that floor again now', I've still been my usual ocd self about keeping it spotless.
I hope the new flooring is the lovely shiny type; I'm not keen on the matt parquet.
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Old 06.12.2008, 16:56
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

Great to hear that this is being properly addressed. It is good timing as well so that you won't have to face too much disturbance. Your perseverance was well worth it.

Hope that it is all sorted by the time that you get back. We don't want too many more dramas
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I have a problem with mold growing in my apartment. It is in every single room but two in the corners of the rooms. Two of the bedrooms are very bad and each time I clean it (as best I can) I am very sick afterwards. The last time I had such a bad headache for three days I could barely move. My two girls sleep with their brother in his room because it is the only bedroom that does not have mold in it. My girls were getting sick all the time before I moved them and my youngest constantly complained of having a bad headache.

My husband called my landlord about this and he is going to come and look at it. He told my husband that the best way to get rid of this problem is to clean it with bleach (which I have done...several times). I know the mold will just keep coming back because the apartment is very humid and I must keep a window cracked at all times. Someone told me that the apartment is not well insulated and that is the problem. I have read on the internet (US websites) that it is the responsibilty of the landlord to fix this problem. I keep my apartment aired out and heated. I do not dry clothes in my apartment. We do not have mold in our bathroom and the one middle bedroom. After baths, I air the apartment by opening the window wide if it feels humid. But, like I said before... I keep at least one window cracked in my apartment at all times with the shutter down not completely closed unless it gets too cold. But, then it just gets too warm and humid so I have to recrack the window.

I am not the only tenent that has this problem. It is in every single apartment in this building. The landlord told the woman that lives above me that the mold comes because there are so many of them living in one apartment. It is a three bedroom apartment and she has four children. I live in the identical apartment under her with three children. If he tells me that I think I may lose my temper because that is just so ridiculous.

Is there someone that knows what I must do if the landlord doesn't fix this problem. I think he is going to tell us to repaint the corners with a special paint to keep the mold away but I know this will not work since it is problem with the insulation.

I think in the end we will just have to move but I think it is horrible that so many people are living in this building (with children) and he hasn't taken care of this problem. The woman above me told me she has been dealing with it for ten years! She buys paint and paints over the mold herself. I am not buying paint and fixing this problem. I will deal with it anymore and am very angry about it.

Do I need to see a lawyer or can the commune help me?

Thank you for any information or aid. I love living in Switzerland and even have learned to get along with my neighbors but this I can not live with! It is putting a damper on my good humor.
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Finally! I've got a date confirmed for the floor to be replaced. They're beginning on 16 Dec, the day I leave for Xmas. My employer's handyman is coming in that morning at 08.00 to shift the last 3 bits of furniture - the heavy ones I can't deal with. I am pushing off to the airport and not involving myself in any way, shape or form.

Sadly, although I thought 'goodie, no need to vacuum or mop that floor again now', I've still been my usual ocd self about keeping it spotless.
I hope the new flooring is the lovely shiny type; I'm not keen on the matt parquet.
Did you get your floor replaced? I hope that 'no news' means 'good news'
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Hi

The new owner of my building is very tough. Since he was in for some repairs he wants me to pay for cleaning and painting the schimmel/mould which has formed due to the heat and i am nervous it could be very high.

I am already registered/a member of the Mieterverband and they are helping but any thoughts helpful. Thanks.
I had the exact same problem. I was told to vent, which I did twice a day, but the building was very old and I believe it was occurring due to water or dampness in the wall itself, maybe due to roof leakages or so. It was actually true after speaking to a painter who also pointed out that we had air leaks in our old windows which needed replacing. After explaining it to the landlord about the old windows, he decided to fix clean and repaint the walls or corners that had the mold at no charge. That is after he said I was at fault and would have to suffer the costs of repair.
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Did you get your floor replaced? I hope that 'no news' means 'good news'
Yes, it was replaced over Xmas and I completely forgot to post an update here. It's looking rather lovely and there are no dark furry bits. I'm also sniffle free for the first time since moving in here. That could be coincidence and the stock of multivitamins/echinacea I brought from the UK at Christmas but my money's on the new floor being to thank for my improved health.

I see there are some new posts about mould problems with landlords and am so grateful mine just went straight to the new floor solution!
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Yes, it was replaced over Xmas and I completely forgot to post an update here. It's looking rather lovely and there are no dark furry bits. I'm also sniffle free for the first time since moving in here. That could be coincidence and the stock of multivitamins/echinacea I brought from the UK at Christmas but my money's on the new floor being to thank for my improved health.

I see there are some new posts about mould problems with landlords and am so grateful mine just went straight to the new floor solution!
Glad to see that it is all resolved. Hopefully this will help others to get similar problems sorted.
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I have a problem with mold growing in my apartment… Do I need to see a lawyer or can the commune help me?
I’m not a legal eagle so will leave this to someone who knows more about it.
I feel very sorry for you in this situation though.
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My two girls sleep with their brother in his room because it is the only bedroom that does not have mold in it.
It might be worth asking yourself why this particular room, with three children sleeping in it, DOESN’T have a problem! Does this room have fewer cool outer walls?

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Someone told me that the apartment is not well insulated and that is the problem.
In some houses in England, where weather was cool and damp and before insulation as an extra was unheard of, there was no damp problem, so this, alone, cannot be the reason.
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It is in… the corners of the rooms.
The corner is often ‘without circulation’ and this seems to be the third contributory factor besides the damp and being cool. (You can get the same effect by putting a wardrobe against an outside wall – been there, done that, had the mould!!!)

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... I keep at least one window cracked in my apartment at all times with the shutter down not completely closed unless it gets too cold. But, then it just gets too warm and humid so I have to recrack the window.
If you mean by ‘crack’, just a little bit open, or ‘tipped’ open, then this is exactly what the Swiss ‘experts’ say you should not do. It cools down the walls without actually moving the air properly. The Swiss advice is ‘all windows wide open for ca. ten minutes, three times a day’. Then close them again completely. I don’t know what you are supposed to do if it gets too warm, or you are out at work all day – I’m just passing on the advice given.
I hope you find a decent solution. The flat we lived in which had this problem (over the whole walls though, not just in the corners) was treated with some lethal-to-mould paint and insulation put onto the inside of the outer walls. After that it was Ok until we left about eight years later. I bet the ‘lethal mixture’ is illegal now though.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

This is a frequently viewed thread on mould so I thought I'd add what we learned today.

If you live in an apartment that tends to collect condensation on the inside -- look behind your fabric furniture. Between October and February we'd wake up to condensation on the inside of the windows -- I'd faithfully wipe it down and air out the apartment with wide open windows for long periods of time. We'd still get some mold on the ceiling corners (we have a roof terrace so I'm sure that didn't help). Well, today I pulled the sofa out to do some cleaning and found mold on the wall and the back of the couch. The couch is against an internal wall. Obviously opening the windows wasn't enough to circulate the air behind the couch. Hope this doesn't happen to you.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

[QUOTE=Tilia;337806]Seriously, I think you should go and see an allergy and asthma specialist. You seem to have a respiratory problem that should be investigated further. It could very well be that you are allergic to more things than just mould.
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I agree. These problems could get compounded.
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Re: schimmel [mould] problem with landlord

There have been several threads concerning condensation and problems with mould. Here's the official answer.
Mould in living Accomodation. The PDF in English to to be found on the right.

This text is a translation of the old version from last year, but is still probably just as valid as it was then.

To Avoid Excess Humidity.
Avoid drying washing in the flat.
Concerning the use of air humidifiers - do not use them in flats with damp problems.
Air humidifiers should normally only be used during a cold spell in winter.
In such extreme situations, the relative humidity can fall below 30% for several days and some people react to the dry air with physical problems.
If an air humidifier is to be used, the humidity should be constantly checked with a hygrometer and only raised to 40%.
Having an uncovered Aquarium or many plants can also aggravate problem of excess humidity.
If fluids are spilt, they should be wiped up quickly and completely with an absorbent cloth.
The flat should be regularly aired and also when specifically necessary.

Advice for airing the flat.
When a lot of steam is created, the room should be aired immediately.
While showering or having a bath, cooking or ironing the extractor fan (Abluftventilator) should be switched on to prevent the steam from going into other rooms.
If there is no extractor fan, it is recommended that the room be aired during or immediately after the ‘production’ of steam.

Air rooms regularly. The general rule would be to open all windows and doors at least 3 times a day for 5-10 minutes. People who go out to work and thus cannot air the flat at lunchtime, can do it in the morning, when they get home in the evening and again before going to bed.
In older buildings with poor insulation the rooms should be aired more frequently. The same applies to flats with many occupants.

Leaving ‘Kippfenster’ (tipping windows) open uses a great deal of heating energy. The walls and floors near the window become very cold and increase the risk of condensation.
The windows should NOT be left in this ‘ajar’ position in the colder months.

Windows which are ‘fogged up’ or misted over are always a sign that the humidity is too high. Therefore, as soon as a window mists over the room should be aired.

In new buildings and after larger renovations one must be prepared for ‘extra’ humidity caused by the drying out of the building materials. Therefore, for several weeks, the rooms must be aired more than usual.

‘Kippfenster’ = bottom hung window / hopper window / pivot hung window.

Recommendations regarding heating.
Start heating in good time so that the walls do not cool down too much.
Do not leave rooms completely without heating. (Exceptions are cellars and attics which are intended to be cool.
Houses with cold walls (poor insulation) are particularly problematic. In these rooms, one should not put postpone switching on the heating and should set the room temperature to 20°C. On the other hand, in well insulated and well aired buildings, there is no problem with lowering the temperature, for example in bedrooms, to 18°C

As a general rule there should be no condensation on windows and cool walls.
It is recommended to keep the doors to rooms which are kept at a lower temperature closed.

Cool surfaces are predestined to become damp. To work out which cool walls in a flat are in danger of becoming damp, one can measure the temperature of the cool wall, the temperature of the room and the relative air humidity.
With a room temperature of 20° und humidity of 60% a wall which is 12° is almost damp. If the temperature is 23° and the relative humidity only 50% a wall of the same temperature is already on the verge of being damp. Thus, in a well-heated old building a relative humidity of 50% can be too high.

The Bold print is mine - these are the things there seems to be most disagreement about. If you do what the government says and still get mould, at least you can say it was there fault and not yours!

Happy Airing!


A couple of other points here.
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