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Next you will be asked for 3 months' rent in advance and a hefty deposit by Western Union.

Do you sometimes wonder about those emails from Nigeria too??
I think i have to quit searching for an apartment from Craiglist, but i was wondering if there is any reliable website for renting an apartment in Zurich.
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I think i have to quit searching for an apartment from Craiglist, but i was wondering if there is any reliable website for renting an apartment in Zurich.
DOH!!!
I just had a quick look - I'm guessing 18 out of the first 20 returned are scams.

www.Homegate.ch and www.immoscout.ch
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DOH!!!
I just had a quick look - I'm guessing 18 out of the first 20 returned are scams.

www.Homegate.ch and www.immoscout.ch
Thank you very much! ppl here are so caring. I guess airbnb is also out?!!
Can you take a look at this one:
http://----------.ueuo.com/87-weinbe...e/booking.html

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Thank you very much! ppl here are so caring. I guess airbnb is also out?!!
Can you take a look at this one:
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Check under homegate - and answer your own question!

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Re: Scam: craigslist Basel

Someone tried to scam me too... to be honest I was totally fooled by it initially.

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Vielen Dank für Ihre Zeit in meiner Wohnung zu suchen. Mein Name ist Peter Ptasik, ich diese Wohnung von meiner Tante geerbt haben, die leider im vergangenen Jahr vergangen, und wie ich nicht bin auf der Suche nach der Schweiz zu bewegen, wie ich in England geboren und aufgewachsen , und ich habe einen guten Job und meine Familie hier. Die Wohnung verfügt über 1 Parkplatz, eine Speichereinheit , gibt es auch einen Wäscheschrank , und was am wichtigsten ist, eine neue Waschmaschine und Trockner.
Haustiere erlaubt.
Ich möchte wirklich eine gute und verantwortliche Mieter dafür zu finden, und ich bin auf der Suche, es zu mieten, so lange wie möglich, und ich hoffe, dass Sie mir einige persönliche Informationen über sich selbst schreiben können. Die Miete der Wohnung für 1 Monat 1.550 CHF alle Rechnungen enthalten.
Falls Sie english sprechen, wäre das für mich eine grosse Hilfe, denn im Moment bin ich abhängig von einem Übersetzungsprogramm.
Wenn Sie wirklich daran interessiert sind in der Miete meiner Wohnung antworten Sie bitte zurück, und ich werde Ihnen mehr Details geben.

Vielen Dank!
Peter Ptasik
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You seem to be a very nice person and I can assure you that from my side we will not have any problems.
Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for one month of rent will be 1,550 CHF (all costs included), with no extra taxes to pay. The security deposit is 1,000 CHF (fully refundable at the end of the contract). The money, I want to receive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account.
Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after.
Unfortunately, I do not have any friends or relatives in Switzerland who could assist you for a viewing.
I am willing to send you the keys of the apartment so you can visit it and see if it suits your needs. The delivery for the keys and viewing permit (signed by me), will be made with Wimdu rental services to make sure that we can trust each other. They are really professional and they have great services.
Let me know if you are interested so I can provide with all the steps of this transaction. You need to know everything about this process before we get this started. I think is right for both of us.
Thank you and hope to hear from you soon!

Regards,
Peter Ptasik
Only after this third message I realised it had to be a scam:

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If you decide to proceed, I will have to contact Wimdu to provide all necessary information so that they can begin the process immediately. You will receive a notification from Wimdu shortly, with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.
Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit first payment a month's rent in advance + the security deposit (CHF 2,550) to an account that belongs to Wimdu. I need to pay in advance at the company Wimdu because i came myself for views before and people did not show up (no offence). Wimdu will hold and secure the money until you check the apartment and decide if you want to take it or not. This is how their policy works, customer protection. Once the funds were deposited into their account, they will begin the shipping process. The keys and rental contract will be delivered to your address in not more than 2 days. You will be given control over three days from the day you receive the keys and contract at home. If you decide to keep the apartment, then you will need to authorize Wimdu to release the funds for me and the transaction will be completed. If you are not satisfied with the apartment, you can send the keys and the contract and Wimdu will return the funds to you there and then.
Although I am sure you will love the apartment, it is good to know that you have this second option available.
If you want to continue renting the apartment, please tell me your details (full name, date of birth, address and phone number) and i will go to the company to make all the formalities and visit arrangement.
Thank you for your interest and waiting news from you.

Regards,
Peter Ptasik
It was a place in a nice area Aemtlerstrasse, 8003 Zurich and the pictures showed a really big place but with an interior a bit outdated which in our minds could be the reason why could be this cheap.

It was a 3.5 rooms with 98 m² and the add was in immoscout24.ch

I hope the other people he tried to scam also realised in time.
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Re: Scam: craigslist Basel

The give away (apart from having to send money in advance ) was his message was totally generic and he asked me for information I had already given him.

Which makes me think this might be non-english speaking people in some far away country with 2 or 3 well-written messages they copy and paste to hundreds of potential victims
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Re: Scam: craigslist Basel

Normal procedure:

You can view the apartement w/o any financial or contractual commitments and specialy w/o any deposits or fees AND no transfer of sensitive personal information such a passport copies, work contract, etc.

You can get the contract w/o any deposits or fees. Prove of solvency may be needed at this stage. This commonly means a Betreibungsregisterauszug/Extrait du registre des poursuites. https://www.ch.ch/en/extract-debt-collection-register/

No fees, deposits and or financial commitments before you signed the actual rental contract.
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Someone tried to scam me too... to be honest I was totally fooled by it initially.

The guy's first message:

Guten Tag,



His second message:



Only after this third message I realised it had to be a scam:



It was a place in a nice area Aemtlerstrasse, 8003 Zurich and the pictures showed a really big place but with an interior a bit outdated which in our minds could be the reason why could be this cheap.

It was a 3.5 rooms with 98 m² and the add was in immoscout24.ch

I hope the other people he tried to scam also realised in time.
You did report him to Immoscout didn't you?
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The give away (apart from having to send money in advance ) was his message was totally generic and he asked me for information I had already given him.

Which makes me think this might be non-english speaking people in some far away country with 2 or 3 well-written messages they copy and paste to hundreds of potential victims
the first letter seemed to be google-translation to me
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Do you sometimes wonder about those emails from Nigeria too??
Nope, never did. But I think the whole neighbourhood heard me laugh when Warren Buffet and his wife wanted to donate me a fortune by email for the first time.
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Thank you very much! ppl here are so caring. I guess airbnb is also out?!!
Can you take a look at this one:
http://----------.ueuo.com/87-weinbergstrase/booking.html
Always look at the end of the host URL, not the begining;
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Domain Name: UEUO.COM
Registry Domain ID: 139744029_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.netearthone.com
Registrar URL: http://www.netearthone.com
Updated Date: 2016-04-08T04:45:46Z
Creation Date: 2005-01-16T16:30:57Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-16T16:30:57Z
Registrar: NetEarth One, Inc.
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Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
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Registrant Organization: FreeWebHostingArea.com
That's not AirBnB
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The give away (apart from having to send money in advance ) was his message was totally generic and he asked me for information I had already given him.
Wimdu may well be an Ok company, see this article (in German) for example, apparently they did provide the service they should. So using them as middlemen for 1st rent and the deposit may be in order. I have never done business with them, I just wouldn't rule the offer out based on their intended role in your case.
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Re: Scam: craigslist Basel

I admit that I fell for a Craigslist scam once. No Nigerian prince or diseased relatives were involved It was really quite elaborate. But if I had googled first, I would have probably realized it sooner, though my gut said all along something was off. My friends read the ad and said I was paranoid Turns out I wasn't. I lost some money, but it's not the end of the world.

I did teach me a lesson and for hotel reservations, the only thing I use is booking.com or the hotel's website directly, for apartments AirBnB (with some reservations, as I heard some shady stories there too, though more quality-wise) and for apartments at least in CH only homegate.ch, immoscout.ch or comparis.ch

Tough I recently also discovered a scam on immoscout too, but reported it and it was removed immediately.

I can see how people fall for e.g. some apartment scams especially if they're completely knew to an area or are not even there yet. Sure, I know that there's no metro in Basel, and I know that a 3.5-room-100qm apartment in the center of Zurich would never go for 1800/month - but I live here, so it's easy. Of course with a bit of googling anyone will find out there's no metro in Basel and most would get suspicious about the low price for an apartment if they start comparing to a few others, but still...

In general: if appears too good to be true, it usually is.

FelipeT, the first message is being used all over the place. I've read it in multiple forums.
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Though I recently also discovered a scam on immoscout too, but reported it and it was removed immediately.

I can see how people fall for e.g. some apartment scams especially if they're completely knew to an area or are not even there yet. Sure, I know that there's no metro in Basel, and I know that a 3.5-room-100qm apartment in the center of Zurich would never go for 1800/month - but I live here, so it's easy. Of course with a bit of googling anyone will find out there's no metro in Basel and most would get suspicious about the low price for an apartment if they start comparing to a few others, but still...

In general: if appears too good to be true, it usually is.
Autoscout is being hit by scammers - and I don't mean the dealers! I have a search going that picks up <40k Land Rovers (Range Rovers and Discoverys) - from 2011. Pretty much on a daily basis a "new" RR comes on - for 9k or 12k or 17k etc etc - you get the pictures. Very high KM (180,000 in 2 years) but even that won't mean it has lost 140k! First time I saw it I had to double check the search - and straight away I realized it was a scam - by which point it had already been deleted.

The vast majority of the Craigslist adverts are scams for Swiss properties - when I checked in Zurich at least 18 of the first 20 were - and the give away is the stupidly low price. The market sites (Immo and Homegate) will give a good idea of the approximate market price - deviate much from there and it is a scam.
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Thanks, guys! With all these tips, I am now ready to compose my own Craigslist scams and avoid detection.

Local phone number, check
Prices quoted in CHF, check
Spell check, check
Google local details, check
My thought exactly, why T.F. am I still sitting at my desk???
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My thought exactly, why T.F. am I still sitting at my desk???
You think the DRK was built solely on child prostitution and heroin production???

Craigslist scams are the #5 source of income for DRK residents working in the digital service industry - behind call centres, dark web hosting, web hosting and offshore IT development
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When I was first looking for an apartment in Geneva, I quickly got onto the idea that most of the ads were scams, and I had this exchange:

Hi. I am interested in your apartment if still available. If you are a scammer please don’t respond back, I am getting tired of them!
to which I received the response:
Dear Cathy,
I am not a scammer !! I am a woman of 50 years old renting one apartment in center town generally to expatriates or others.
If you are in Geneva and want to visit, I am at your disposal. You just need to tell me asap as I received other demands.
Kind regards
To me it rang true, I did indeed end up getting the apartment - more trust involved on her side than mine as she agreed to hold it for me while I came over from the UK with cash in hand - and she was a lovely landlady!
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I'll make sure to use something like that in my future phishing mails.
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I'll make sure to use something like that in my future phishing mails.
Yes, well....I appreciate that it isn't a foolproof detection method, but I didn't know what else to do!
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Yes, well....I appreciate that it isn't a foolproof detection method, but I didn't know what else to do!
Did you get your scam detection skills from here?

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