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Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

We've just bought a house and are in the process of renovation. Since the cost for so much of this is enormous here in Switzerland, I am trying to do much of the work myself.

I have stripped out all the carpets from the house (70s concrete floors) and now have to tackle the tiles in the kitchen and entrance hall. Anyone done work like this here in Switzerland?

I've done a bit of research and would love to get my hands on one of these BOSCH HAMMER tools:



I'm going to check out of I can rent one from one of the big hardware chains. Unless someone has one I could rent off you for a weekend.

Anyone got any tips on how easy or difficult this job is. Is it one area I should just pay someone the big bucks to do for me, or is it a simple job to do myself (albeit labour-intensive)?
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

Friends here with a new build flat had the tile layer only put adhesive in the corners and a little in the center. Roll a coin or marble across the floor and if you hear any noise difference, chances are they aren't glued all over the back of the tile and they'll be easy to remove. I've taken bathroom tiles up with just a chisel and a hammer.
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

I know OBI and similar hardware stores will rent you this type of equipment. Perhas Jumbo might also. I know of various equipment rental stores across the border in Germany, mostly in the industrial area, which will rent equipment and ask for a cash deposit. Perhaps there may be similar across the border in France.

I know Swiss based hardware stores and tilers are reluctant to rent equipment (largly because of liability issues and concerns over damage to the equipment). You may be able to negotiate something with a local tiler, including disposal. Economically priced hardware like this is often not without it's overhead and frustrations.

I know of various equipment rental stores across the border in Germany, mostly in the industrial area, which will rent equipment and ask for a cash deposit. Perhaps there may be similar across the border in France.

HTH. Happy flooring!
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

hi there,

i am a pro, carpenter, i have a few tools. If you need work done I can help you with building. i am located in thalwil, near zurich. so do drop me a line.

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hi there,

i am a pro, carpenter, i have a few tools. If you need work done I can help you with building. i am located in thalwil, near zurich. so do drop me a line.

cheers
Thanks for the offer cannuck, but the house is located just outside Lausanne, so not exactly in your area. Shame you're not closer as I'd definitely be interested.
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

well, hm...... tome on a weekend for sat n sun, we could work something out
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

I have, with a small jack hammer like in the video. If your place has floor heating, be careful not to dig in too deep into the floor.

I believe my local Obi rents out power tools. Try one in your area.

I think I saw an electric jack-hammer at Bauhaus for CHF200. Google Bauhaus, the DYI store.

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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

We had our old kitchen floor tiles removed and new ones installed by our local tiler. No power tools were used. He just used a sledge hammer to smash one, then a jemmy to lever the others up. Very dusty work. Wear googles and masks!

( ~2000CHF for the job, we supplied the new tiles, 4m x 5m, if you want an idea of cost. )
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

I've watched my dad pull up tiles many times and replace them too! - DIY...

The removal part is possibly not that complicated - he uses a heavy chisel and a mallet...

As others have said, it depends how they were attached in the first place, and it also depends on the size of the tiles.

Wear thick gloves - those things are sharp, and working with a chisel and hammer on the one side and a sharp tile on the other, can be a mean combination...

otherwise, I think you just crack the first tile and get going! Oh, the other trick is to cut the mortar between the tiles before you start...then work on one or two tiles and once you have a hole it will be much easier to work the rest...

As others have said, with underfloor heating or whatever, it's probably safer to use hand tools than machines, and I'm not sure you need power tools...
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

Thanks everyone. I am going to have a crack at it myself this weekend and see how difficult it is. I'll let you know.

One thing was mentioned to me though, that there may be some type of asbestos underlay in the mortar beneath the tiles (since it is a mid 70s build). Anyone heard of this type of thing in Switzerland?

Note: we definitely have asbestos roof tiles (which are being replaced by a professional) but have no idea about how widely used asbestos was in floor tiling during that time.

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We had our old kitchen floor tiles removed and new ones installed by our local tiler. No power tools were used. He just used a sledge hammer to smash one, then a jemmy to lever the others up. Very dusty work. Wear googles and masks!

( ~2000CHF for the job, we supplied the new tiles, 4m x 5m, if you want an idea of cost. )
We have only been speaking to masons/builders so far about all the demolition work (we've got some major walls coming down) and since we're putting wood floors throughout, we haven't spoken to a tiler. Might try and find one this week to get their advice on removal and se if they'd quote. (the whole area of tile is about 18sqm).
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One thing was mentioned to me though, that there may be some type of asbestos underlay in the mortar beneath the tiles (since it is a mid 70s build). Anyone heard of this type of thing in Switzerland?

Yes, Asbestos was used pervasively in constructions of that time period. You may want professionals to seal your house as they remove it. If you have kids at home, don't take the risk.
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

Have done quite a lot of DIY remodeling work back at home, but here I have neither tools nor other equipment.
For removing floor tiles no power tool is needed -a chisel and a hammer can do the work- , but it is more convenient to have some around...

If you need, I can offer some help...
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

The ones that I removed were actually on the wall, against the sink. They weren't easy to remove. I had to use a small jack hammer.

Do they use a stronger cement/adhesive as the ones on the floor, given that they are near a wet area?
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Yes, Asbestos was used pervasively in constructions of that time period. You may want professionals to seal your house as they remove it. If you have kids at home, don't take the risk.
We're not moving into the house for a few months so all this dirty, dusty work will be done before anyone is living in the house.

The asbestos issue was mentioned in passing but it is a worry. I can see it adding a huge amount to the cost of removal if we have to seal the house and have the professionals follow the protocol. And it would obviously mean I couldn't do it myself.

A quick google search found that you can buy some type of test kit to see if asbestos is present, so I will see if I can track such a test kit down at OBI.
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Re: Removing ceramic tile from cement floor

You can find asbestos testing information here:
http://www.forum-asbest.ch/was_tun_b...lfirmen_fa.htm

I think you can scrape of a sample and send it in for analysis.

Also, browse this government website on how to deal with it:
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/chemi...x.html?lang=de
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