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Re: Oven Choices

Thank you for all the comments. I have never even heard of Gaggenau before this thread, but then I'm not sure we can afford a Bentley oven. They certainly look nice.

Recently we found out that there's a gas line out front from our building. Since the building is coming up on 20 years, we have to get a new heating system and changing to gas (from oil) is a possibility. But I'm not willing to wait to see if we somehow end up with gas.

We already decided to go to 60 cm, exactly because replacement will be an issue in 15 years or so. We will also get slightly deeper counters (about 5 - 10 cm deeper) as ours are quite shallow. Almost too shallow to roll out a pie crust.

The backwagen looks interesting. I would have to see one first, though. I would be concerned about mechanical issues. I definitely want to try the door opening on any oven before buying. The one we have now I can't open if I am wearing oven mitts. I guess oven mitts are outsite V-Zug's scope.

(And I realized I forgot about the one problem with the cooktop. The one element has an outer ring, for larger pots but it died so long ago I've almost gotten used to it. But it means I only have one big stove element which is not all that convenient if I'm making some sort of sauce and need to boil a large amount of water.)
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Old 02.03.2011, 21:04
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Re: Oven Choices

I asked the guy at the kitchen shop this question and he didn't have an answer. If there are two ovens, one above the other, why does the steam oven go on top?
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Old 02.03.2011, 21:13
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I asked the guy at the kitchen shop this question and he didn't have an answer. If there are two ovens, one above the other, why does the steam oven go on top?
It's probably down to the fact that it's more aesthetically pleasing to have the smaller oven on top.

And, or, it usually has a less heavy cooking load than the conventional oven so it goes on top as it's less easy to lift heavy things high.

I can't think of another reason.
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Thank you for all the comments. I have never even heard of Gaggenau before this thread, but then I'm not sure we can afford a Bentley oven. They certainly look nice.
My father had a Gaggenau put in his house in 1974 - it's still working, no repairs necessary. Ok, the light doesn't work any more and the timer doesn't time but those things are not essential and would not be hard to fix if it were.

For my new apartment, I went for an Electrolux Steamer / Oven combination thing and am very excited to start making delicious things with it. For the stove, I went for the standard "Glaskeramik" after reading in the induction hob's instruction manual that you are discouraged from using the thing if you have a pacemaker. Also didn't fancy getting special pans and having to brief anyone who cooks on the stove on how to use it beforehand. I picked a slightly wider spaced thing with sliders controlling the "Herdplatte" two by two on the left and right rather than all of them squeezed in at the front as those drive me nuts.
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Re: Oven Choices

If it was me, I would go gas cooktop, with electric oven that has the ability to be fan forced or not.

Oh, and for cleaning, see if you can get a pyrolytic one that does the job for you. It's a self cleaning function that super-heats itself and gets rid of all the grease, etc.
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Thank you for all the comments. I have never even heard of Gaggenau before this thread, but then I'm not sure we can afford a Bentley oven. They certainly look nice.

We put a Gaggenau oven, cooktop and grill in our kitchen. Yes, the appliances are nice, but I have to say - I would not go with them again. The cost difference is not justifiable, IMO. Other brands are of equal quality at significantly lower prices.

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Anyone ever used a Tiba Herd? Are they sort of a Swiss Aga?
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Re: Oven Choices

we had this Backwagen in our former house but I was not so happy with it, because removing something gets quite difficult if its hot.

Since we just finished our new house I had to go trough the evaluation process again and we decided this time on a VZUG with roll out shelves. Perfect!
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A practical solution for a below-the-counter-oven can also be this:

Not all brands have them, I fear. This one is a Bosch. At some time Siemens had them also.

One or two ovens is clearly a personal choice. There is a tendancy for multi-ovens that can do everything, but can they do everything at the same time? I have a fairly standard lower-upper heat, grill and hot air oven, but I kept the smaller steam oven apart.
One thing I wouldn't miss is the small dish-warmer compartment!!!
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It's probably down to the fact that it's more aesthetically pleasing to have the smaller oven on top.

And, or, it usually has a less heavy cooking load than the conventional oven so it goes on top as it's less easy to lift heavy things high.
In our case we are thinking about getting a smaller main oven, so the two would be approximately the same size. The steam oven will have both top and bottom elements (supposedly both V-Zug and Miele offer this).
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I can't think of another reason.
We got an answer from Miele. The theory is that the steam oven is more often used for things which cook faster, which means that using the steam oven involves more interaction. The traditional oven is mostly used for cakes, roasts, etc. which take longer to cook.

Therefore the oven which demands more interaction should be at the top.

I probably use the oven mostly for cookies, which need attention every 10 minutes or so (depending on the recipe), so it doesn't really matter to me as much. And even the "standard" oven has a feature to add 3 to 5 bursts of steam.
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Re: Oven Choices

They are coming. They are coming.

On Tuesday they (the kitchen contractor and subcontractors) will start demolishing the kitchen. On Friday we took delivery of some Billy shelves, which are intended for books, but are currently storing the kitchen contents. [Thanks to Papa Goose, who did the delivery and setup!]

I think I've been here too long. I have an urge to clean the kitchen even though it will be demolished on Tuesay. I guess it's natural since it feels the same as when we moved house. Everything must go.
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