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Old 22.02.2011, 13:11
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My deposit in danger?

Hi,

I am moving flat this week. Everything about the new one looks good but I have a question about the old one.
We were 3 years living there. It is fully furnished. We always were very carefull. There is some dirty spots in the walls (time thing not hand made!) a couple of wine glasses and a dish. As the only accident happened I will mention a small chipped in the bathtub.

Do you think I will go on fine with this? Should I buy new glasses?

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Old 22.02.2011, 13:18
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Do you think I will go on fine with this? Should I buy new glasses?
No, but I think you should hide the landlord's glasses.
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Old 22.02.2011, 13:22
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Yes! Yes!

You must get a witness! Join a Mieterverband, and pay for someone to be with you when the inspection occurs. Fix the breakages yourself, much cheaper!

Replace anything you have broken, it will be cheaper if you do it yourself. Look in the Brockenhaus for second hand glasses and plates etc.

For the chip in the bath, you should ask a specialist to repair it. Look under Sanitärtechnik in the telephone book
http://yellow.local.ch/de/q/?what=Sa...id=directories

You can claim the damages from your insurance company.
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Old 22.02.2011, 13:30
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Sometimes these are insured and covered under normal wear and tear. Do you carry any sort of property insurance yourself? How old is the tub?

It's not uncommon for landlords to try to get as much renovation as possible from tenants who are leaving. Sometimes, simply telling them to speak with your insurance company puts the issue to rest.
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Old 22.02.2011, 13:38
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...Sometimes, simply telling them to speak with your insurance company puts the issue to rest.
What he said.

That said, I just got 100% of our deposit back after 6 years in one place... with 3 children... bit of a result that.
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Old 22.02.2011, 14:31
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I do not have any insurance... I am doing one now for my new flat, I did not know before was necessary.
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I do not have any insurance... I am doing one now for my new flat, I did not know before was necessary.
Well it is necessary!

Spend Fr 75 and join this organisation, ask for a witness at the handover, this is very important!

http://www.schweizerischer-mietersch.../d209/f210.cfm

Jetzt für nur Fr. 75.- Mitglied werden und bis 1 Jahr profitieren von:

GRATIS - Rechtsberatung (von A wie Abnahme bis Z wie Zutrittsrecht)
GRATIS - Dokumentprüfung (z.B. Heiz-/Nebenkostenabrechnung)
GRATIS - Mängelberatung (z.B. Schimmel, Emission, Defekt)
GRATIS - Mietzins-Check (z.B. Erhöhung, Senkung, Reduktion)
GRATIS - Wohnungsabgabe-Rechtshilfe (z.B. Protokoll, Schlussabrechnung)
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Re: My deposit in danger?

What's the difference between the organization cited by Ittingen and the Mietverband?
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Re: My deposit in danger?

"mieterverband": there is always a waiting period "karenzfrist" between joining and getting all the services (for free). as i know.
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Re: My deposit in danger?

I just signed for a liability insurance with the start date of 21st February. If I leave my flat the 27th and the landlady is not happy with something, can I said talk with my insurance company?
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Old 22.02.2011, 16:16
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If I join them today they will do all for me the day that I leave my flat?(next sunday)

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Well it is necessary!

Spend Fr 75 and join this organisation, ask for a witness at the handover, this is very important!

http://www.schweizerischer-mietersch.../d209/f210.cfm

Jetzt für nur Fr. 75.- Mitglied werden und bis 1 Jahr profitieren von:

GRATIS - Rechtsberatung (von A wie Abnahme bis Z wie Zutrittsrecht)
GRATIS - Dokumentprüfung (z.B. Heiz-/Nebenkostenabrechnung)
GRATIS - Mängelberatung (z.B. Schimmel, Emission, Defekt)
GRATIS - Mietzins-Check (z.B. Erhöhung, Senkung, Reduktion)
GRATIS - Wohnungsabgabe-Rechtshilfe (z.B. Protokoll, Schlussabrechnung)
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Re: My deposit in danger?

The main difference is that the 'mieterschutz' provide legal advice whereas the 'mieterverband' additionally provide legal protection (included in your annual fee), which means they will cover your legal fees.

The 'mieterschutz' is a limited liabillity company owned by one person (russian national Yulia Strässle // http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/u/mieter....008.255-8.htm). The 'mieterverband' ist an national association.

'Mieterschutz' - fees are a bit cheaper, but 'mieterverband' offers more than just consults. If you're just looking for a consult, mieterschutz might offer the same at a slightly cheaper rate. But then for a single consult you don't need to be a member. Me personally, I'd recommend the 'Mieterverband'.
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Oh and by the way: whith the 'mieterverband': for the legal protection insurance there is a waiting period of 3 months before any payments will be made. All the other services are available as soon as the subscription fee is paid.
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Re: My deposit in danger?

that's difficult to say. Liability insurances usually don't cover gradual damages like wear and tear or thinks you broke on purpose. You'd have to check your insurance conditions. But don't be alarmed. If your landlord tries to charge you with anything you don't agree, it's best to get a consult at the 'mieterverband' or 'mieterschutz'.
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Old 22.02.2011, 17:06
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Re: My deposit in danger?

The Mieterverband webpage is all in german...

So, you think that if I join online today I can have a person on Sunday with me when giving the keys back to the landlady? If the answer is yes, I will definitly spend 75CHF.

By the way, thank you so much for your information. I did not know Mieterverband exist before.
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Yep, another question, I am changing canton. So, my Mieterverband will be still valid I am living in Solothurn??
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Yep, another question, I am changing canton. So, my Mieterverband will be still valid I am living in Solothurn??
I'm not a 100% sure, but as far as I know there are different mieterverband groups for every canton with different prices (which is only fair, since the expenses also vary). So i suppose if you'd have to quit at one group and then join the otherone. But I suppose it's best to just write them an e-mail and ask.

If you really want someone to come with you when you give back your key, here's the deal:
You have to pay extra for someone to come with you. No matter if you're a member or not. The prices depend on which canton you live in, and how far it is from the cities. E.g.: If you live in the city of Zurich you'd have to pay (as a non-member) CHF 20.- travel expenses + 185.- for the first hour plus additional 32.50 for every 15min longer. If you're a member of the Zurich group of the mieterverband: you'll only pay 130.- for the first hour, the rest of the expenses are the same. Plus the member subscription fee of 95.- per year. So you don't have to be a member to benefit from their services. So you're not getting anything for just 75.-

The thing the mieterschutz offers for 75.- is reviewing your handing-over protocol where the landlord has to write down all the charges if they have any complaints, to check if the claims are legit.

My advice to you would be: unless you've had bad experiences with your landlady, or she's been difficult in the past, I don't think you would need to hire a person to come with you. I'd say: Definately replace the broken glasses and plates, it's cheap and it will show the landlady, that you put in some effort. Don't mention any of the other faults to her unless she finds them herself. Maybe she won't even notice. If the appartement wasn't freshly painted when you moved in, I don't think she cold charge you with the spots on the wall. I also woudn't mention the chip in the tub. If she finds it, just explain the accident. You might be liable for this one, but be aware, she can't charge you with the full price of a new tub but only the actual replacement value or if it's just a chip in the enamling even less.
If you're unsure, or think she's charing to much, you can always ask the mieterverband for advice. If you're nervous just ask a friend to come with you, so you're not alone plus you have a witness just in case. You can join the mieterverband solothurn at your new place, their annual fee is only CHF 70.- plus a one-time admission fee of 20.-.

So don't let yourself get all worked up. You're not liable for the usual wear and tear damages. If you're landlady's nice and the appartment wasn't brandnew when you moved in, you'll probably get away with everything.
good luck anyway!
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I will tell you on Monday how things went...Thank you very much for your help. I calm down a bit.
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I assume you know you are suppose to spotlessly clean your apartment. During the walk through, expect a white glove inspection. Should there be any dust or grease around window sills, kitchen vents, door frames, etc.; they will be quickly pointed out to you and may charge you additional cleaning fees.
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I always have spotless my flat .

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