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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

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Here we go again...another foreigner messing an agency around
Really? What do you call this? There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that the OP is foreign. And even so it makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.

So get off your high horse.
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Old 13.03.2011, 11:13
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

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Really? What do you call this? There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that the OP is foreign. And even so it makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.

So get off your high horse.
Actually, it does make a difference particularly to the Swiss.

How is calling someone a foreigner racist?!

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1 a person born in or coming from a country other than one's own.
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

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Really? What do you call this? There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that the OP is foreign. And even so it makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.

So get off your high horse.
From expat_1's other posts, it is quite clear that the OP is a foreigner. And I suggest that rather than being a racist comment, it is a statement of fact. I suppose you are one of those people who thought that calling a blackboard a blackboard was racist...

Anyway, as I said in a an earlier post, it makes all the difference in the world to other foreigners here in Switzerland looking for apartments and being tarred with the same brush as those who don't feel that they need to carry through on commitments that they have made.

I feel that you are being unfair to Mrs. D who has first hand experience dealing with a whole range of landlords and tenants in this area and who is probably well positioned to know how landlords react to foreigners. What are your credentials exactly?
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

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Not quite, if the agent said 'would you sign the lease ?' and the renter said yes, you are effectively agreeing to the terms of the lease. Hard to swallow, but true.
How can you sign a contract that you have not read? What you said would only make sense if the agent mentioned over the phone one by one the terms of the lease and then the OP agreed to it.
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How can you sign a contract that you have not read? What you said would only make sense if the agent mentioned over the phone one by one the terms of the lease and then the OP agreed to it.
Well you see the thing is that the main conditions are laid down by law and by verbally agreeing to a rental one agrees at least to the legal terms.
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

Ran into a similar problem with the first apartment my ex and I wanted to rent.

We agreed to take the place but once we got the contract it stated that the landlord could enter whenever they wanted. That if we left for more than 2 days that we would have to return the key and some other smaller condititions that we couldn't agree to.

We told the agency that the contract wasn't acceptable and were forced to pay 100chf (which we were told isn't that much). I couldn't believe it at the time. I am still unsure whether we were duped into paying the 100chf but left it up to my ex to deal with as my french was non existant at that stage. Surely things like returning of keys and landlord allowed enter at will aren't "normal" under swiss law?

I just put it down to one of those swiss things that I have to get used to but am starting to wonder now.
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Ran into a similar problem with the first apartment my ex and I wanted to rent.

We agreed to take the place but once we got the contract it stated that the landlord could enter whenever they wanted. That if we left for more than 2 days that we would have to return the key and some other smaller condititions that we couldn't agree to.

We told the agency that the contract wasn't acceptable and were forced to pay 100chf (which we were told isn't that much). I couldn't believe it at the time. I am still unsure whether we were duped into paying the 100chf but left it up to my ex to deal with as my french was non existant at that stage. Surely things like returning of keys and landlord allowed enter at will aren't "normal" under swiss law?

I just put it down to one of those swiss things that I have to get used to but am starting to wonder now.
You were duped...landlords entering at will is illegal. In fact they are not even allowed to keep a spare key unless the tenant specifically agrees (something that many "hobby" landlords are not aware of).

As for returning the key in case of absence, most landlords will require you to advise them with whom you have left a key should you leave the property for a specific length of time or more. This is generally 5 days, but it varies from case to case. You can leave it with a friend, a relative, the Hauswart or even the landlord. This is required in case of emergency (e.g. flooding, fire, etc). In general insurers will also require this.
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

I signed a rental agreement for 12 months and after a couple of days changed my mind. As 3 months rent deposit was already paid the landlord and I reached a compromise that we could dissolve the contract but I would forfeit 1 month of rent. Bummer but once you signed on the dotted line, you've signed you're bum away...my advice is to be reasonable with the other party and find a compromise. The legal route should always be a last resort...always
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

Maybe a stupid question but these days there is a cooling-off period even on cheap electronics. What are the options to move out several days after signing the contract?
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

Check out the relevant info in a thread in the sticky at the top of this section of the forum!
About halfway down the list of useful threads.
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Maybe a stupid question but these days there is a cooling-off period even on cheap electronics. What are the options to move out several days after signing the contract?
There's no such thing for a rental contract.

You move in you're now the tenant. Your options, give notice immediately for the next official moving date and meanwhile work on trying to find an alternative tenant so you can move out before then. Otherwise, give notice, pay the outstanding months' rent up to the next official moving date and move out. Given that notice for end September was due end of June, you can expect to lose your deposit as well I would guess or you'd have to pay the outstanding rent up to next March.
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Maybe a stupid question but these days there is a cooling-off period even on cheap electronics.
I am not aware of any such thing under Swiss law. Help?
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

even for goods, it is entirely up to the seller to accept returns or not, and the buyer should ensure they know the policy of the shop/business they buy from at the time of purchase (well, before in fact). The only right of return is in case of faulty goods- and even then, they may insist on a repair, or exchange, and not return and refund. Some electronics shops and others choose to have a more open returns policy, within a certain period from purchase, and usually as long as un-used, and with all the original packaging and receipt- but this is not a legal requirement,

With an apartment, there is just NO rights of change of mind whatsoever, and you will have to read your contract carefully and adhere to it- in most cases find a replacement who can afford the flat, is solvent, and prepared to take over your lease.
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

I wonder if people have better conditions in their homeland? In most countries a contract is binding, and a verbal contract in front of a witness is also usually binding.

So why do people come here and moan after they change their minds? Would they accept the situation if the landlord changed his mind and said they couldn't rent the property now as he has found a better tenant? Most definitely not!
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Re: Urgent:Lease contract--change of mind

I think sometimes people are just newbies (or careless) about contracts altogether. I am always amazed to find how readily some otherwise responsible adults sign contracts without having read them.

At least let's give credit to those folk who do try to find out what the situation is, before making a worse mess of things.

However, Sbrinz, I agree with you.... in fact, I wonder that about many aspects of immigrating: would those who are complaining, in "hereland" really, really have had it so much better in "thereland"?

And in this particular case, just imagine how it would be if, on day 5, just as one partner is trying to make supper in the only pot that's been unpacked, while the other is up the stepladder installing a shelf, the landlord came by and said: "Oh, hi, Folks, I'm making use of my cooling-off period, and I've decided that I want you out by tomorrow."
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