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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

I have always heard its hard to find the place in Geneva, and it is! But people are looking and eventually they can find something...
i am looking for a place now too... I use interenet at the moment: price varies, flats/studios too... I think you have to be very proactive!!!!!!
May be we can exchange experiences?!
www.expatriates.com (had offers, seem to be "too good to be true")
www.immostreet.ch (someone kindly suggested this site)
www.geneva-anglo-info.com
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I have always heard its hard to find the place in Geneva, and it is! But people are looking and eventually they can find something...
i am looking for a place now too... I use interenet at the moment: price varies, flats/studios too... I think you have to be very proactive!!!!!!
May be we can exchange experiences?!
www.expatriates.com (had offers, seem to be "too good to be true")
www.immostreet.ch (someone kindly suggested this site)
www.geneva-anglo-info.com
I don't look at www.expatriates.com or http://geneva.en.craigslist.ch/ - as they look too suspicious with almost identical descriptions . Now I am mainly looking for flat shares to find something temporary and mainly watching university's listing http://www.unige.ch/dase/bulog/form/bourse.php

Good luck in your search !
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Old 11.03.2011, 09:00
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

if you speak French, you can also have a look in the GHI (free local paper) and the Tribune de Genève on tuesdays (newspapers).

It can be also interesting to have a look to the local papers on the French side, if you want to live over the border.
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Old 17.03.2011, 14:02
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Yet another article today in the paper about the accommodation shortage. An analysis which indicates that building land in Zurich/Geneva+Riviera will be all used up by 2014- with a predicted date for the rest of Switzerland of 2040. They are also describing the phenomenon of pressure being increasinlgy spread to the 'Gros de Vaud' between the Lake and the Jura, Fribourg, Yverdon, Payerne - with prices rising concurrently, especially as ex pat relocation packages, etc, can afford to pay a bit, or more, over the top. The Jura and Neuchatel are as yet barely affected by the phenomenon, but they predict that this will happen inevitably as the pressure increases elsewhere - and that there are some amazing properties, with superb potential, lots of space and land- for sale at low prices, which will become extremely good investments in the future.
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Old 17.03.2011, 14:55
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Frankly, it is easier to move out of the country and find a new job, than to find the needle in the haystack: a nice place to live in Lausanne-Geneva area.

Well, unless you like to live in the sticks, and plan to homeschool kids.
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Old 17.03.2011, 15:06
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

'living in the sticks' does have its advantages too- but I agree it's not for everybody. But why would you have to homeschool kids. We certainly have great schools here in Neuchatel area, the Jura villages and towns. Living in Neuchatel or Yverdon is hardly 'our in the sticks' anyway. And even isolated farms and houses have a bus pick-up service. Neuchatel even has an St Georges school for ex-pats who prefer to educate privately in an English environment.
Each to their own - all I'm saying is that there are alternatives to living between Lausanne and Geneva, by the Lake, and that those who do think beyond can get space, peace, amazing nature and incredibly good value houses and rentals- if you can organise your week to work from home part-time, for instance.

It is currently very difficult to buy a house for a reasonable place along the Riviera, but there are bargains to be had a bit further on. Many with amazing potential and original features, lots of space and land- and that they may well turn out, if you can wait a bit, to be excellent investments for the future.
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Odile, that is certainly true, unless... well don't want to go into too much information, but if one works on the Côte or the Riviera, and has kids in Gymnasium - well you tell me. I am all for public, local schools - and Switzerland has a great level of public education.

But - gymnasium is not everywhere, and even in Morges (where there is one), it is so full that all kids that don't live in the town itself, are redirected to Lausanne (>1hr travelling by public transport).
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Neuchatel and Yverdon have great Gymnases, and so have most small towns in the Gros de Vaud, or even in the Val-de-Travers, etc. Morges is very much part of the Riviera, and that is the problem.
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Two interesting articles in Le Matin (newspaper) today. First the announcement of the re-location of about 200 fund-holders from London to Geneva in the next couple of weeks. Where on earth are they going to live, I wonder? And what will re-location agents do to secure suitable accommodation for said bankers and their partners/families?

Secondly, that Students at Lausanne Uni are finding it absolutely impossible to find accommodation there, and will have to either live at campsites around the town, or commute from Fribourg, Yverdon and Neuchatel.
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Old 20.03.2011, 19:16
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Most apartments change hands here through the word of mouth, so the best way to secure one is to network like mad.
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Old 20.03.2011, 19:19
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True- but with 0.3 apartments available, how will they find suitable accom. for 200 newcomers + families in a few weeks, is my question here?
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Old 20.03.2011, 20:12
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Based on the 40,000 who leave each year that is approximately 800 per week leaving. Also with them huge amount of money there will be available you can be sure all the Regies will put these to the top of the list.

All the Regeis know each other, it is pretty much a closed shop, the more money you are going to line their pockets with then the further up the queue you go to get the best available property.
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

That was my guess, thanks. Sadly this is well-known by local people too, hence the increasing built-up of resentment by many Genevans and others in the area. A sad fact unfortunately. It might be difficult for those who do not have close contacts with 'locals' to realise that, and sympathise with local feelings.
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

We know people who have used this service to secure apartments, they have children which helps their case.

http://www.geneve.ch/logement/

As I understand it you have to have lived in Geneva for 2 years to apply. Some of the apartments have been a bit further out but quite nice. I think half of all new developments which are state sponsored have to be set aside for social housing.
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

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True- but with 0.3 apartments available, how will they find suitable accom. for 200 newcomers + families in a few weeks, is my question here?
Divonne, something is telling me..., other little places out there. It is already pretty well suited exactly for these purposes, on what other sunday market would you find people slurping mussels with champagne for breakfast
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

yet another interesting article in a local newspaper in Neuchatel. It seems that the shortage is having a strong effect on the Neuchatel Riviera too.
Some figures, % of vacant apartments

Geneva 0,23
Vaud 0,46
Neuchatel 0,49
Le Locle (Neuchatel Jura 4,7
Val-de-Travers 1,52
Swiss average 1,00

Neuchatel is also hemmed in by the Lake and the Jura. Despite the fact there are many more apartments in the mountain regions of NE - with much lower prices, much more space and gardens often available, people living by the Lake seem very reluctant to move 'up' t'mountains. And yet the weather in winter, although colder, is much much nicer up here- sunny and bright, whilst those by the lake live in fog. Ah, well - suits me.
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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Gosh I am so happy to find these thread..if finding something in zurich is difficult but still possible..then finding something in geneva is mission impossible..so far have come across several real estate agent with such a typical french attitude that 'you want something from me, and there is no way I am going to make you life easier'...and they just ask you to fill in forms and forms and forms..and afterwards, no news...still haven't lose hope and still keep trying..
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Watch TSR now if your French is up to it. The programme will try to explain the situation. This short programme is now finished. It confirmed that practically all apartments and property for sale and hire by-pass the ordinary 'punter'. The 'politique des petits copains' (old boys' network approx) means that the vast majority of quality accom. is not available to you and me, or your 'average' Genevan and your 'average' foreigner even less.

There will be a debate on Infra-Rouge on Tuesday evening about the accommodation crisis in Geneva and the Leman riviera.

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Re: Why so few ads for apartment rents in Geneva ?

Ironic that ordinary Swiss people are victims of their country's success...or maybe it's better to call this "their country's typical unstoppable greed". The greed of the rich Swiss people, of the bankers, of the rich politicians, of the rich house owners and builders, as always ends-up shafting the poorest.

There are a few simple long-term solutions to this housing problem, that don't involve
- Turning the country into a megalopolis without any wild green space left
- Forcing people to live on top of the mountains to get affordable accommodation

The solutions are
- Stop voting for the parties that created this mess in the first place, by attracting foreign multinational corporations en-mass, without any planning or foresight of the shortage of houses that would have occurred
- Stop attracting any other foreign multinational corporations, especially useless and overpaid Anglo-American bankers that don't want to pay taxes in their home countries, after having used and ruined their economies
- Do what more civilized and advanced countries (Germany, Sweden, etc...) do...the government keep an eye on house and rent prices, rather than let them go wild to suit the pockets of a few riches

The Swiss are also so enthusiastic to propose and vote useless and populist referendums, while a simple referendum to fix this problem, or at least to reduce its impact, would be very very useful...but for them probably all these measures are too "socialist"...so they prefer to continue get shafted in the name of "freedom".
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There will be a debate on Infra-Rouge on Tuesday evening about the accommodation crisis in Geneva and the Leman riviera.
this one could be of some interest....
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