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Specific Bern districts questions

Been combing through the posts since December and we have a pretty good idea which areas are good and which ones we should avoid.

Our priority now is to find something to rent just north of the Hbf (Länggasse, Länggasse-Felsenau, Muesmatt, Stadtbach) and downtown (Rotes Quartier, Innere Stadt). It seems that whenever a posting comes up it is gone almost immediately. And of course, some monthly rents are outside of our threshold. To expand our search, it appears to us that the area just east of the Aare River around the bend is also quite good, especially Breitenrain. That will be part of our secondary search area.

May I humbly ask the collective wisdom of EF to comment on the following?
  1. We’re seeing a lot vacancies just south-west from the Hbf. How are the areas of Monbijou, Matternhof-Weissenbühl, and Matternhof, Sandrain?
  2. Not so many vacancies but perhaps worth considering. How are the areas of Kirchenfeld, Kirchenfeld-Schlosshalde, Schosshalde, Altenberg?
We’re both 27 & 26 and professionals. Not looking for suburbia just yet (so that rules out Bremgarten, Muri, Ittigen, Köniz, etc.).

Some details of what we’re searching for…
! Close to the Hbf, or have convenient access connection to the Hbf, because I need to commute to Fribourg every day.
Rent limit: CHF 1,650
Size: 60 m² to 80 m²
Rooms: 2.5 to 3

Lastly, are we realistic or dreamers to find something in our desired areas?
Forgot to mention, we're moving to Bern from Germany, not from Fribourg.
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Old 10.03.2011, 14:12
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Re: Specific Bern districts questions

Kirchenfeld, Schosshalde, Altenberg and Innenstadt will be out of your budget. These are expensive areas, Kirchenfeld is the diplomatic quarter in Bern. Places in the old city tend to be small but expensive, if you push your budget up to 2000 you'll have a chance.
Realistically, you should have less problems finding a place in Mattenhof-Weissenbühl and Sandrain, but the Monbijou area will be difficult.
Breitenrain is a lovely quarter to live in and with your budget you should have no problems finding a place, ditto for Lorraine and Länggasse. All of them are well connected with public transport and are also an easy commute to the railway station by bicycle. Even Weissenbühl is possible by bike but you had better be good with hills, there's a long one going up to the area. But again, anything close to the river or up the hill (Gurten) is going to get expensive.
Köniz is not a suburb of Bern, it is a seperate municipality, the 4th largest in the Canton of Bern and is very close to the city, also easy commuting distance to the railway station.
Try http://www.anzeiger.ch/ - here you can search by area.
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Re: Specific Bern districts questions

Thanks for much for you insight. The site you provided is most excellent. This will definitely help refine our search.

Definitely would like to live around Länggasse due to its convenience but it seems that new postings are far in between.

Our target is to have something by June so I overlap 1 month with my apartment in Germany. Of course it doesn't hurt to start looking already. However, does anyone know typically how long it takes (a realistic time-line) to find something in Bern?

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Re: Specific Bern districts questions

[QUOTE=darwiniandemon;1131976]Thanks for much for you insight. The site you provided is most excellent. This will definitely help refine our search.

Definitely would like to live around Länggasse due to its convenience but it seems that new postings are far in between.

Our target is to have something by June so I overlap 1 month with my apartment in Germany. Of course it doesn't hurt to start looking already. However, does anyone know typically how long it takes (a realistic time-line) to find something in Bern?

The usual moving time in Switzerland is May and November. People usually start looking now for vacancies for May and June. Will you be able to go to Bern and actually look at places?
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Re: Specific Bern districts questions

While Bern is not under the same pressure as Zürich or Genève the best apartments will obviously go quicker, before you have bought the newspaper.

Your quote: "Close to the Hbf, or have convenient access connection to the Hbf, because I need to commute to Fribourg every day.
Rent limit: CHF 1,650
Size: 60 m² to 80 m²
Rooms: 2.5 to 3 "

For the areas you describe, the rent you are prepared to pay is not enough for a good flat. These will typically have 10 year old brown & cream kitchens and pink bathrooms with pink tiles. Maybe you like living in your Granny's flat?

In my opinion you need to pay at least Fr. 600 more per month. Most of the homes in these areas are very old, have no lifts, and have wooden floors with extra noise levels.

I have lived happily here in Ittigen since August 2008. We have 3 farms and a shop nearby. There is an excellent bus service which connects with the train to platform 24 on Bern station 4 times per hour. The journey takes 20 minutes. www.sbb.ch from Kappelisacker to Bern.

My 4.5 room apartment is freshly renovated with 3 bedrooms, a dishwasher and two WCs, rent is Fr. 1,420 plus 300 costs. We also have a "Private" swimming pool included in the rent. I often swim at 5 pm in the nude, as I am alone. There are several apartments empty right now. PM me if you are interested. The owner is the building company Marti pension fund.
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The usual moving time in Switzerland is May and November. People usually start looking now for vacancies for May and June. Will you be able to go to Bern and actually look at places?
Thanks again.
Then, we better get started ASAP! Been checking Comparis over the past 2 weeks and every time we see one that's suitable, it's gone in a day or two. Quite frustrating.

My company will give me 3 days worth of pre-move allowance to find an apartment. I'm thinking of taking an extended long weekend in mid-April to spend 5 full days in Bern to look for something. Hopefully that will be enough time.

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Re: Specific Bern districts questions

I rent a 3.5 room apartment in Kirchenfeld for 1,750. So it is not true that Kirchenfeld is out of your budget.

In my opinion, Kirchenfeld is the nicest, quietest, most beautiful residential area in all of Bern.
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I rent a 3.5 room apartment in Kirchenfeld for 1,750. So it is not true that Kirchenfeld is out of your budget.

In my opinion, Kirchenfeld is the nicest, quietest, most beautiful residential area in all of Bern.
Kirchenfeld, cheapest 3 Zi Whng Fr 2'100 + 300 costs 3005 Bern

http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...earchtext=3005 Bern&country=1&page=1&total=2&wl=1&lng=de&objectid =2086528&index=2#

So does everyone else! When did you move in? Today it will be Fr 2'300

This is the best I can find, nothing special, http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...earchtext=3006 Bern&country=1&page=2&total=29&wl=1&lng=de&objecti d=2033375&index=28

A better idea might be to Live in Murten / Morat (A lovely medieval town www.murten.ch ) you travel to Fribourg and wife could easily travel to Bern. Lower taxes too.

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So does everyone else! When did you move in? Today it will be Fr 2'300
I know for a fact it is still renting at 1,750 CHF. Reason: I'm moving out at end of March, and a couple just rented it starting April 1st. For 1,750 CHF.

So...OP, just because people say so on the internet doesn't mean it is true. Go out and look at apartments for yourself and don't eliminate areas because other people say "it is too expensive for you". There are a lot of naysayers on this forum, and they don't always know what they're talking about.
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A better idea might be to Live in Murten / Morat (A lovely medieval town www.murten.ch ) you travel to Fribourg and wife could easily travel to Bern. Lower taxes too.
Murten is very nice and beautiful. We (girlfriend, not yet wife!) visited the area 2 years ago when I worked in Fribourg. We still prefer the "city life" (though, I would not consider Bern to be big at all) so suburbia is still out of the question. I've only lived in metropolises of 5-7 million my entire life. When I moved to Germany, the population of the city was 160k. Bern's 130k is already pushing it! Murten's population of 6k would probably destroy me. Also, she's in banking...maybe she might have to look to Zurich for work. (I made a post about Olten 1 month ago but that's out of the picture now.)

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I know for a fact it is still renting at 1,750 CHF. Reason: I'm moving out at end of March, and a couple just rented it starting April 1st. For 1,750 CHF.

So...OP, just because people say so on the internet doesn't mean it is true. Go out and look at apartments for yourself and don't eliminate areas because other people say "it is too expensive for you". There are a lot of naysayers on this forum, and they don't always know what they're talking about.
Darn, where were you when 2 weeks ago when I was looking? Company offered to pay for 2 months worth of rent...would have fit my moving timeline perfectly!

I know, I know. It's the "*INTERNETS*" where everyone is right and everyone is wrong. We'll be down next month to take a look ourselves. I'm glad I'm seeing both perspectives. In the end, the ultimate judgment is mine to make.
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I rent a 3.5 room apartment in Kirchenfeld for 1,750. So it is not true that Kirchenfeld is out of your budget.

In my opinion, Kirchenfeld is the nicest, quietest, most beautiful residential area in all of Bern.
And that is still an exception to the rule. Kirchenfeld is not cheap, you got lucky. I know someone who lives in the old city in a lovely flat and pays CHF 1200.- but I wouldn't hold my breath on finding a second place for the same rent.
Yes, the more money you have in Bern, the better the flat is bound to be, but on the other hand, I rented a place 10 minutes from the railway station for 3.5 rooms for CHF 850.- that was completely renovated and did not have Granny decor. But the OP has his/her heart set on someplace around the HB which Kirchenfeld isn't and I didn't recommend looking in the cheaper districts like Ausserholligen because that is not what the OP wanted. CHF 1650.- or thereabouts should get you a nice flat in Bern.
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