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Buying a house in Le Vaud

Hi I am an english mum of two children (7 & 10)and a wife and am new to the english forum. We will be moving to Switzerland in August 2011 and are interested in buying a house in Le Vaud in the Canton of Vaud. The house we are interested in has been empty for nearly a year but even after two realistic offers the sellers will not sell under the asking price. Is this quite normal? The house suits our family needs well but we are unsure if Le Vaud is a family area, are there any english speaking people there? Although the children will go to the international school in Founex, we want them to integrate into the local community. If we do offer the asking price will we be able to sell it in 5/10 years time? Is it just because there is no view of the lake/mountains that people do not want to buy it? We had heard that property gets snatched up so quickly that often things don't hit the market so why has this one sat on the market for a year. We think the price is reasonable 1.2m and although built in the 1980s has been well renovated but it is more a swiss chalet style than a new build - could this be the problem?

If anyone has any background info into Le Vaud and its housing market it would be much appreciated before we possibly make a HUGE mistake by offering the asking price.

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Hi and welcome, is Le Vaud really a village? I've never heard of it (despite being fairly local) - have you got more detail? If you look at the 'why so few apartments in Geneva' thread, you'll find that there is a huge shortage of apartments and houses in the Geneva area, which has spread right across the Riviera to Lausanne and beyond. So the owner probably feels s/he can afford to hold on for somebody who'll eventually come up with the right price, if s/he is not under pressure to sell.

Edit - well I never! just looked it up and there it is. Never heard about it- and yet I often drive back home over the Jura this way - must have missed it. So not far from Nyon, but quite a way back - lots of fairly isolated small villages. Lovely countryside, lovely views - but quite rural. For me, with small children, I'd say it is great and there are plenty of ex-pats just down the road. But it just depends so much on YOU and what you enjoy. Great for cycling, walking- and the Lake is not far. I must say it is a big step to take without knowing the area - isn't there any chance that you could rent first so get a feel for the area- must say I'd be very nervous to buy 'blind' as it were. Bonne chance.
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It's not unheard of for properties to take a while to sell, especially if the vendor is unprepared to negotiate. You should get more for your money up there in Le Vaud but things that might affect saleability/price are:
1. It's a small village so expats might be thin on the ground. Most tend to live on the plain.
2. It's not lakeside like Nyon, Gland, Rolle etc.
3. It's a bit in styx (by Swiss standards), though beautiful
4. Local shops are probably limited?
5. It's in the foothills of the Jura so there's the winter weather to consider
6. I guess there's no train so public transport is limited to the bus.
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Re: Buying a house in Le Vaud

Hi!

Le Vaud is a fantastic village. We have lived there for seven years and adore it. There is a great social life and provided you are prepared to muck in and not be snooty you will get on very well. There is something fun happening most weeks! There are many nationalities living in this fairly small village, including English speakers. The library has a section of English books for adults and children to borrow. A small farm shop, an OK auberge which is the hub of the village quite often, a well stocked village store, hairdresser, beauticians, dog groomer all make up the amenities. There are weekly Fountain Parties every Friday in the summer evenings and Fenetres d'avent for the month of December plus loads of other events. There is a pool in nearby Bassins but village kids can use the campsite pool in the summer. Lots of lovely walks. Regular bus service.

Try Brampton Estates in Genolier if you want suggestions for other houses in the village as there are a few for sale but they do hold their value and will re-sell.

Enjoy Le Vaud!
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Re: Buying a house in Le Vaud

It depends on infra structure. If there is school, docs, shop, post office, bakery, it should be ok for somebody who does not mind driving kids to activities, to friends' houses, to dif cities to hang out with their buddies, to drive herself to see friends, have coffee, etc. Looks pretty isolated to me for a family with kids, unless you really enjoy tight knit family activities, hiking, sports, etc. I can't help with the price, seems fair for the area.

Just a note, though, if you want kids to immerse in local life, I wouldn't drive them to Founex. They will end up not picking up French as fast, so they will not be able to interact with local kids and will remain strangers to them, unless you sign them for intensive course and local after school activities, summer camps, day camps, etc.

Good luck with the move. The lake shore if fab, it is not so far from there. I wouldn't it pull it off up there, with the weather and all, my needs for civilisation, work and friends, but on the other hand, buying something that is your own, in a bucolic, little place is also fantastic.
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Re: Buying a house in Le Vaud

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Yippeee !!! Really really pleased we have found someone that knows Le Vaud!! It is really difficult to know what to do when you have found a house that you think meets all your needs but are so unusure of an area. Our gut feeling was that it was lovely and the house was for us but you never know and having someone confirm those feelings is a real relief especially when you are going to be spending such a large amount of money, in a country you don't know anything about!

I am pleased you have settled in so well and it sounds as if there is lots happening within the village which is great. You have made my day !

Many thanks and I will definately take your advice on looking at those other properties.
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Hi and welcome, is Le Vaud really a village? I've never heard of it (despite being fairly local) - have you got more detail? If you look at the 'why so few apartments in Geneva' thread, you'll find that there is a huge shortage of apartments and houses in the Geneva area, which has spread right across the Riviera to Lausanne and beyond. So the owner probably feels s/he can afford to hold on for somebody who'll eventually come up with the right price, if s/he is not under pressure to sell.

Edit - well I never! just looked it up and there it is. Never heard about it- and yet I often drive back home over the Jura this way - must have missed it. So not far from Nyon, but quite a way back - lots of fairly isolated small villages. Lovely countryside, lovely views - but quite rural. For me, with small children, I'd say it is great and there are plenty of ex-pats just down the road. But it just depends so much on YOU and what you enjoy. Great for cycling, walking- and the Lake is not far. I must say it is a big step to take without knowing the area - isn't there any chance that you could rent first so get a feel for the area- must say I'd be very nervous to buy 'blind' as it were. Bonne chance.
Thanks for your message. We currently live near the new forest so love the outdoors, we have a dog and adore skiing so I think this could be the place for us but yes, we are very nervous about buying "blind" and we are trying to do as much homework as possible.
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It depends on infra structure. If there is school, docs, shop, post office, bakery, it should be ok for somebody who does not mind driving kids to activities, to friends' houses, to dif cities to hang out with their buddies, to drive herself to see friends, have coffee, etc. Looks pretty isolated to me for a family with kids, unless you really enjoy tight knit family activities, hiking, sports, etc. I can't help with the price, seems fair for the area.

Just a note, though, if you want kids to immerse in local life, I wouldn't drive them to Founex. They will end up not picking up French as fast, so they will not be able to interact with local kids and will remain strangers to them, unless you sign them for intensive course and local after school activities, summer camps, day camps, etc.

Good luck with the move. The lake shore if fab, it is not so far from there. I wouldn't it pull it off up there, with the weather and all, my needs for civilisation, work and friends, but on the other hand, buying something that is your own, in a bucolic, little place is also fantastic.
Thanks for your message - everyone is fantastic on this forum - i'm getting loads of good advice - thanks. I agree with you about the international school - my husband is keen to get our son into the local football club and not the school club so I know we will have to make a big effort to become immersed in the local life - currently learning French to prepare myself !!
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Hi,
We live about 5 minutes away from Le Vaud ( a little further up in Longirod ) and I assure you Le Vaud / Begnins and all surrounding villages have a lots of expats!

We are also originally from the New Forest area (New Milton) and so Le Vaud would be comparable to Bashley...if you know it.... Small but plenty of character.

You will be dependant on a car for all the villages, although a bus service is there it takes about 35 minutes to Nyon then you need to change to a train for Geneva or Lausanne.

In regards to the house, we know one house that was near us was empty and didn't sell for 2 years, but in the end the price was reduced from what I heard.

Prices are generally cheaper up in this area, although it is only 20 minutes commute to Nyon (40 min to Geneva) If this is the only house within your price range and it is a long term buy then you should view and go for it as prices are generally rising due to the influx of more multinational companies here and demand. Renting is not really an option for a house as it is too expensive!

Just a word of caution, check all the costs as hidden things generally come out of the woodwork when you least expect it here...

We prefer living up away from the main big towns and although New Milton would be comparable to Nyon but we lived 5 mins away from the forest and now we live with views of Mont Blanc and the mountain tops and the forest just behind us like before..

Hope you make the right decision but I'm sure everyone will help you with your questions, your welcome to email me and my wife would certainly give you the ups and downs of Switzerland. It is easier now I assure you... We moved here nearly 10 years ago when no one spoke English, now you have to find the french speakers to help you improve your french
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Re: Buying a house in Le Vaud

Have you thought perhaps of renting somewhere for a short period?
I say this as a move to a new country is a massive thing especially with a family in tow.
You might not feel the area is right or you might not even like living in a new enviroment.
I have known several people who have made the move and wish they had moved to another area when they got to find their way around.
I am not familiar with Le Vaud - but it does sound rather nice..
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In regards to the house, we know one house that was near us was empty and didn't sell for 2 years, but in the end the price was reduced from what I heard...... If this is the only house within your price range and it is a long term buy then you should view and go for it as prices are generally rising
Swisscolin raises a couple of important points here.

1. Even in good times, the Swiss property market isn't as liquid as the UK in the good old days (most Swiss and a lot of expats rent) so it can take a while to sell. Le Vaud is lovely but it's not everyone's cup of tea as a place to live. Property prices are generally rising everywhere in our region, but that doesn't mean things necessarily sell quickly outside the hot spots on the plain. Price and liquidity aren't the same in the mind of a seller. Might be worth checking how many expat residents in Le Vaud are homeowners vs renters.
2. Buying a house is expensive here so your time horizon is important, even more so since you are buying at a time when sterling is very weak against the CHF. I'm sure you've thought about the FX risk but since you said 5 years at the bottom end of your scale, I thought I'd mention it. It could have a big impact on you.

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We live about 5 minutes away from Le Vaud ( a little further up in Longirod ) and I assure you Le Vaud / Begnins and all surrounding villages have a lots of expats!

We are also originally from the New Forest area (New Milton) and so Le Vaud would be comparable to Bashley...if you know it.... Small but plenty of character.

You will be dependant on a car for all the villages, although a bus service is there it takes about 35 minutes to Nyon then you need to change to a train for Geneva or Lausanne.

In regards to the house, we know one house that was near us was empty and didn't sell for 2 years, but in the end the price was reduced from what I heard.

Prices are generally cheaper up in this area, although it is only 20 minutes commute to Nyon (40 min to Geneva) If this is the only house within your price range and it is a long term buy then you should view and go for it as prices are generally rising due to the influx of more multinational companies here and demand. Renting is not really an option for a house as it is too expensive!

Just a word of caution, check all the costs as hidden things generally come out of the woodwork when you least expect it here...

We prefer living up away from the main big towns and although New Milton would be comparable to Nyon but we lived 5 mins away from the forest and now we live with views of Mont Blanc and the mountain tops and the forest just behind us like before..

Hope you make the right decision but I'm sure everyone will help you with your questions, your welcome to email me and my wife would certainly give you the ups and downs of Switzerland. It is easier now I assure you... We moved here nearly 10 years ago when no one spoke English, now you have to find the french speakers to help you improve your french
Feeling really positive about Le Vaud now and thank you for the invitation to e-mail you I will certainly take you up on the offer! It seems like a lot of people want to live very close to the lake but places like Le Vaud, Begnins etc seem more familiar to me. I am sure a lot of people coming to Switzerland from big towns and cities in the UK find Rolle, Nyon etc small whereas coming from the sleepy new forest area the further into the Juras feel more at home to me.
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What a great welcome. Any chance of getting a friend or relative to look after the kids so you can come for a long week-end to check things out? See the area, the house, meet the owner, and a few of the lovely people on here who'd live nearby? Maybe somebody here could offer B&B for a couple of nights. I have to say, i just could not buy a house 'blind' like this.
We are just over the hill (the Jura, where ex-pats can be counted on the fingers of one hand, ll) so maybe meet you one day.
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Re: Buying a house in Le Vaud

Hi,

We live out past Montreux, towards Martigny but know Le Vaud for another reason I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. The wild animal sanctuary La Garenne. http://www.lagarenne.ch/accueil.shtml.

It's not the biggest or the best of its type, the raptor sanctuary in Roccamadour in France is twenty times better - but they rescue a fair variety of birds and last year took on a pair of wolves.

The region is beautiful and if you're a country person and don't mind that a trip to shops/school might take an extra half hour you'll love it - bit make your decision on how likely you are to need to leave. Far fewer ex pats will consider the place because it's just that bit out of the way and generally speaking across Europe people prefer apartments in the city to the chores of a county house and garden than people do in the UK so properties can take longer to sell.
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I have to say, i just could not buy a house 'blind' like this.
Especially now. With the /CHF exchange rate where it is now, the FX risk alone would give me sleepless nights. I hear anecdotally that interest from English buyers has really tailed off because sterling weakness makes property here look expensive.
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What a great welcome. Any chance of getting a friend or relative to look after the kids so you can come for a long week-end to check things out? See the area, the house, meet the owner, and a few of the lovely people on here who'd live nearby? Maybe somebody here could offer B&B for a couple of nights. I have to say, i just could not buy a house 'blind' like this.
We are just over the hill (the Jura, where ex-pats can be counted on the fingers of one hand, ll) so maybe meet you one day.
Hi, My husband and I have been out "house hunting" on three ocassions now since October so we have seen various areas, houses, school etc but we are obviously buying into a completely different market to the UK and investing a huge amount of money so we are trying to do all our homework and fact finding as much as we possibly can. My husband is flying into Switzerland tonight for 3 days again (mainly working but is also going to visit a house in:-

Coppet - more than our budget but wanted to get a comparison of something nearer the lake.
Bassins
Another house in Le Vaud - again to get a comparison
St. George - seems to be even further out than Le Vaud but more modern property.

It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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St George is almost right at the foot of the Jura, with fabulous views, and just minutes away from le Col du Marchairuz and the fantastic nature and countryside of the Jura (chamois, deer, birds, etc) with just over the top, the Lac De Joux for kayaking, swimming, fishing and also skating (but not this winter). I know there is at least 1 English family there, who've been there for quite a long time. Slightly longer commute though. snow tyres required in winter, and perhaps a good idea to have a 4x4 to truly enjoy the Jura winter wonderland.

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Looked at a house in LeVaud many years ago when house hunting as well. We decided against it for a number of reasons but the main one was we did not want to be so isolated, having to go up/down the mountain for everything. If you like nature and want to be a bit isolated then if might be for you. You mention you have kids, and keep in mind all of their activities, visits with friend, etc. will likely be down in Gland/Nyon region, thus it will be a lot of going up/down all the time. In winter, the road up there does get blocked with snow, so expect delays or cancel some things when major snow falls. It is beatiful though. In case the house you are looking at is near zoo de Garenne, be aware of foul odors in the warm months. We have friends in St-George, a bit further up, and with all the development up that way be aware of increasing traffic jams. Most of the villlages all filter into Begnins then the major intersection at autoroute at Vich/Gland, this gets very backed up during the rush hour commutes.
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Hi, My husband and I have been out "house hunting" on three ocassions now since October so we have seen various areas, houses, school etc but we are obviously buying into a completely different market to the UK and investing a huge amount of money so we are trying to do all our homework and fact finding as much as we possibly can. My husband is flying into Switzerland tonight for 3 days again (mainly working but is also going to visit a house in:-

Coppet - more than our budget but wanted to get a comparison of something nearer the lake.
Bassins
Another house in Le Vaud - again to get a comparison
St. George - seems to be even further out than Le Vaud but more modern property.

It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Which property in St George? If it was built recently, it may be the places that two different friends of ours put a large deposits down and never got it back... getting a mortgage was impossible due to the builders being blacklisted from what I recall. Just be careful... I won't put the company name down here but will give you by PM if necessary... Also remember somthing about a boundary issue...
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Looked at a house in LeVaud many years ago when house hunting as well. We decided against it for a number of reasons but the main one was we did not want to be so isolated, having to go up/down the mountain for everything. If you like nature and want to be a bit isolated then if might be for you. You mention you have kids, and keep in mind all of their activities, visits with friend, etc. will likely be down in Gland/Nyon region, thus it will be a lot of going up/down all the time. In winter, the road up there does get blocked with snow, so expect delays or cancel some things when major snow falls. It is beatiful though. In case the house you are looking at is near zoo de Garenne, be aware of foul odors in the warm months. We have friends in St-George, a bit further up, and with all the development up that way be aware of increasing traffic jams. Most of the villlages all filter into Begnins then the major intersection at autoroute at Vich/Gland, this gets very backed up during the rush hour commutes.
I never had a problem with traffic...I always take the route Longirod-Marchissy-Le Vaud-Genolier-Trelex-Nyon and never get delayed on that route. The only delay would be occasional heard of cows or waiting at the level crossing in Trelex.

Snow (Missing this year for some reason) but my normal estate car has got me to Nyon everyday without a problem for the last 4 years just takes 10 minutes longer as you drive slower. The roads are generally kept clear by the commune/s and the farmers... One drop of snow in the UK and everything stops (not here!) Just be prepared for some icy patches at times but the key is to drive slowly... You do get used to it.

Bus services generally finish around 8pm to go to Nyon and their is a Nyon to Begnins/Le Vaud/St George service until around midnight but you pay an extra 5 chf on top of the bus fare and it takes a direct route for the passengers on board (i.e if you are the onyl one- the driver misses the other villages out!).
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