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Old 29.03.2011, 13:28
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

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spot on!

I was working on a monitor a few years ago, it was turned off at the switch but unbeknown to me the switch was faulty, it blew me across the room (about 4 meters) and I fortunately landed on a sofa, gives you a nice dead arm for quite a while too

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Actually, in my case , I was quite young and was trying to fix my oscilloscope. I touched the metal case of one of the transistors to see whether it was hot (in a thermal way) and it was at a potential of 400V.
Still, lesson learnt.
For me, the first time I was hit was when I was about 11yo.
I was rolling up some "twin and earth" (basically the cable lights in a house are run on) cable that had 'party lights' on it.

I "Assumed" it was unplugged, and accidently brushed my finger over one of the light sockets.

I was sat down faster and harder than I could believe, and my arm hurt like hell for a while after that.

........ I was told to check the power, and I didn't.... fortunately I got the chance to "Live" and learn.

Always check for power first.
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Old 29.03.2011, 13:46
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

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yeah. connecting a light fitting isn't exactly rocket surgery.
Electricians here - understandably, perhaps - often see wiring and furrow their brows. So many houses have different systems and colours that one needs to know what one is doing, what what?

To the OP: if you are wary of paying for an electrician for a simple light fitting and you are new to your home, perhaps ask the rental agency if they can help with a diagram of the wiring? Or, find a plug socket that's not working () and tell the agency. If you're very new in the place they are obliged to send someone around to repair it. "While you're here, mate, do you think you could have a look at this ceiling lamp wire..?" Those chaps are usually very happy to solve extra problems as long as the agency are being billed.
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Old 29.03.2011, 13:51
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It is simple, don't worry to much. But of course you have to put the fuses down.
The green one that have a plastic thing at the botton (from your picture) has to be left as it is. The other one you have to cut and connect to your lump. Just ignore the green all the rest will be the same you did with the others.
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Old 29.03.2011, 13:56
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Yeah? That's nottin! I once swallowed a whole lightening bolt blah blah
Yeah? Well I swallowed the big bang. I thought it was a minature Smartie.

Gave me indigestion for weeks.
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Old 29.03.2011, 13:57
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Yeah? Well I swallowed the big bang. I thought it was a minature Smartie.

Gave me indigestion for weeks.

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Old 29.03.2011, 14:05
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

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(snip)... perhaps ask the rental agency if they can help with a diagram of the wiring?
My husband is a competent and confident DIY guy - never met a home project his Y chromosome didn't compel him to tackle. But the wiring in our rental house stumped even him.

When he finally was convinced to put aside his pride and chat with the landlord, OH ask why seemingly random colored wiring, different in every room, was used. The landlord, himself a retired builder, said he wired it that way on purpose - to prevent the average tenant from getting in over his/her head and blowing the landlord's investment to kingdom come.

Having proved himself worthy by humbly asking for advice, the landlord then gave OH the top-secret wiring Skizze - and told him to have fun.

(And by the way, the Skizze showed that some of OH's guesses would have been wrong. Perhaps dead wrong, even.)

The moral of this story:

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Old 29.03.2011, 14:07
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electrics here are nothing complicated, much easier then the uk, BUT there really doesn't seem to be a standard colour code here for wiring, which is really very odd, we have different coloured wiring all over the place, and I have seen places where all the wires are the same colour.
Well actually there is a standard colour code.
cf. http://www.standard.ch/produkte/5045...5cc0713a06.htm
cf. http://www.bruggcables.com/.../Farbc...D_308_S2_d.pdf
and any electrician who does not adhere to it should be "electrocuted" and/or sued or reported.

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It's safest to assume that everything is live (even with the fuses out) until you have proved otherwise.
and a pair of non-conducting shoes are also good idea.

And for those of you interested in the legal side of things, you can check out which installations you are allowed to do on your own here: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/734_27/a16.html (German only).
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Old 29.03.2011, 15:51
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It's ok. He's flounced now.

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...OH ask why seemingly random colored wiring, different in every room, was used. The landlord, himself a retired builder, said he wired it that way on purpose - to prevent the average tenant from getting in over his/her head and blowing the landlord's investment to kingdom come...
Sounds like a dangerous strategy. Along comes an incompetent but overconfident tenant, and there goes the landlord's investment and here comes the landlord's prison term.
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

A simple one of these will tell you if the wire is live or not...



Reduces the risk of any nasty *ahem* shock...
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:19
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

Carlos you are correct up to a point: sometimes the neon gas indicator goes short circuit... always best to take out the fuses though!

Mica wrote : And for those of you interested in the legal side of things, you can check out which installations you are allowed to do on your own here: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/734_27/a16.html (German only).

You can read it there: unqualified work on older houses, without the 30 milli Amp trip circuits, is not allowed!
(mit Fehlerstromschutzeinrichtungen für maximal 30 mA Nennauslösestrom ausführen )


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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

Hey,

Ok ... So I will ask for help to one of the electrician mentioned in one of the posts "Ulric". If anyone can recommended some other electrician in Zuriech, please let me know.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Cheers,
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:53
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

Well, actually "installing or replacing a lighting fixture and switch" is allowed even if there is no 30 milli Amp circuit breaker.

If there is a 30milli Amp circuit breaker, you are allowed to fiddle around with installing sockets, etc. but you have to have the installation checked.

Here is a nice picture of showing you what you are allowed to do and what not:
http://www.kontrollbuero.ch/selfmade/selfmade.htm

In other words, installing a light and switch is OK, everything else is pretty much off-limits or you need to have it checked by an electrician anyway (so you might as well get him to do it).

And I have to confess in one of my previous apartments I oversaw the point on the "Verlegen von Leitungen". Thankfully my landlord (who was a qualified electrician) saw and corrected my slight "faux pas". Since then its only lamps and switches :-)
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I guess most of you folks know that Swiss federalism goes down to communal level in many fields. That was the case also with electric codes. In the 'seventies, Landis + Gyr already was one of the world's biggest makers of energy meters (even the one in our home in Michigan, USA, is a Landis + Gyr product). The company complained about the Swiss market, because they had to make more than 250 different kinds of energy meters specifically for Switzerland alone, where actually about half a dozen would have done the job if there had not been different codes and regulations for almost every utility provider and partly even municipality.

I knew electricians in St. Gallen who said they could not work in Zurich because they would have to again learn everything from scratch. I don't remember when those things got standardized country-wide.

That's one of the main reasons why there is so much confusion concerning electric wiring in this country.
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Hey,

Ok ... So I will ask for help to one of the electrician mentioned in one of the posts "Ulric". If anyone can recommended some other electrician in Zuriech, please let me know.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Cheers,
Papa Goose is in Zurich area

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Old 29.03.2011, 21:44
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Re: "electrical" question [wiring light fixtures]

Can someone please re-name this thread "How Many EF-ers Does it Take to Install a Light-Bulb?"

I installed a ceiling lamp recently and was also confused by the wiring. I turned off the circuit breaker for that room, then tried 2 wires, turned on the circuit breaker and either one of 3 things would happen:

1-Nothing (not the right wires)
2-The circuit breaker would trip (not the right wires)
3-The light bulb would go on.

I had a couple of #1 and #2's ....but eventually got to #3
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Or, very knowledgeable....
Oh quite! .... Very knowledeable would not be asking these questions!
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Oh quite! .... Very knowledeable would not be asking these questions!
my electricians name was also smokey, i learned alot from him, may he rest in peace
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I guess most of you folks know that Swiss federalism goes down to communal level in many fields. That was the case also with electric codes. [...]
That's one of the main reasons why there is so much confusion concerning electric wiring in this country.
Well actually, the electricity has been "regulated" on a federal level since 1903...
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c734_0.html

That doesn't mean that Cantons might not have had different requirements for training and qualification but the technical standards would all be federal...
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