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Urgent advice from electrician required

Hi, We have just started a project to renovate a house and have our first crisis. We had believed that we needed a Swiss electrician to put in the junction box and sign off the installation. We had therefore planned to have our german electrician do the wiring and fixtures and have the Swiss to do the box.

The swiss Electrician just visited and has got quite angry and informed us that only the swiss can work at all on the electrics, that they pay a special fee to be allowed to do this and the german can not touch anything. This would mean that all works would hae to stop and delay us by at least a month as we organise a Swiss.

Is there a registered electricin in the forum? Can anyone help us sort this out?

Can we lay the cables ourselves un-connected?

Thanks.. feeling a bit
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Old 29.03.2011, 15:47
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Re: Urgent advice from electrician required

Bruster, I would probably call Commune in Nyon, the lunch break is over so they should respond asap to see where the truth is:

Urbanisme Place du Château 10
Case postale 1112
CH-1260 Nyon
Tél. + 41 (0)22 363 82 63
Fax + 41 (0)22 363 82 59
Municipal responsable: Claude Dupertuis
Chef de service: Hubert Silvain



Or, it may be Dept of energie, I am not sure, but seemed like Dept of urbanism are dealing with all the construction licensing.



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Hi, We have just started a project to renovate a house and have our first crisis. We had believed that we needed a Swiss electrician to put in the junction box and sign off the installation. We had therefore planned to have our german electrician do the wiring and fixtures and have the Swiss to do the box.

The swiss Electrician just visited and has got quite angry and informed us that only the swiss can work at all on the electrics, that they pay a special fee to be allowed to do this and the german can not touch anything. This would mean that all works would hae to stop and delay us by at least a month as we organise a Swiss.

Is there a registered electricin in the forum? Can anyone help us sort this out?

Can we lay the cables ourselves un-connected?

Thanks.. feeling a bit
maybe try another (more practical, good luck on that one) swiss electrician?
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:15
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Hi, We have just started a project to renovate a house and have our first crisis. We had believed that we needed a Swiss electrician to put in the junction box and sign off the installation. We had therefore planned to have our german electrician do the wiring and fixtures and have the Swiss to do the box.

The swiss Electrician just visited and has got quite angry and informed us that only the swiss can work at all on the electrics, that they pay a special fee to be allowed to do this and the german can not touch anything. This would mean that all works would hae to stop and delay us by at least a month as we organise a Swiss.

Is there a registered electricin in the forum? Can anyone help us sort this out?

Can we lay the cables ourselves un-connected?

Thanks.. feeling a bit
also, do you have to delay anything? can they start with the junction box and then you sort out an electrician separately?
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:21
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Hi, We have just started a project to renovate a house and have our first crisis. We had believed that we needed a Swiss electrician to put in the junction box and sign off the installation. We had therefore planned to have our german electrician do the wiring and fixtures and have the Swiss to do the box.

The swiss Electrician just visited and has got quite angry and informed us that only the swiss can work at all on the electrics, that they pay a special fee to be allowed to do this and the german can not touch anything. This would mean that all works would hae to stop and delay us by at least a month as we organise a Swiss.

Is there a registered electricin in the forum? Can anyone help us sort this out?

Can we lay the cables ourselves un-connected?

Thanks.. feeling a bit
He's right, that's what the law says. I wouldn't push it too much with him as he could report you and get you into trouble.

Why don't you try what Phil_MCR says and find an electrician with a more lenient attitude.
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Re: Urgent advice from electrician required

Thanks for the responses so far on this one. From a few frantic telephone calls there seems to be varying degrees of understanding of what is and is not allowed.

I am hoping that we can continue to put in the non live parts of the system, like wiring etc as this all has to be done before the plastering etc is in place. Then hopefully we can find a more ameanable swiss electrician to make the final connections.

But some have said that we cant even change a plug socket without the swiss qualified guy.

The holy grail for me is an english electrician here on the forum who is qualified and registered to work here is Switzerland. Maybe then we can properly understand the rules.
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:51
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Thanks for the responses so far on this one. From a few frantic telephone calls there seems to be varying degrees of understanding of what is and is not allowed.

I am hoping that we can continue to put in the non live parts of the system, like wiring etc as this all has to be done before the plastering etc is in place. Then hopefully we can find a more ameanable swiss electrician to make the final connections.

But some have said that we cant even change a plug socket without the swiss qualified guy.

The holy grail for me is an english electrician here on the forum who is qualified and registered to work here is Switzerland. Maybe then we can properly understand the rules.
Can't you go ahead and put the wires in anyway? You say you need to do it before the plastering but aren't you putting the wires in plastic conduit anyway? And with junction boxes to allow access and replacement? Then, surely it doesn't matter when it is done?

Cable is cheap. Put them in. If you find you are not allowed to connect them to sockets then someone else can do this bit and even if you find you are not allowed to put in the wires and they need replacing, the electrician can use them as the 'pull-through' wires for the new cables.
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Re: Urgent advice from electrician required

Thanks and Update:
In case it is interesting to anyone in the future the outcome of this SAGA should be recorded.

Turns out that the real root of the problem is that when you buy a house in VAUD you need to have the electrics "Controlled" and there are various controllers affiliated with Romand Energy that you can use and pay or course. There are exceptions and I have teh strong impression that few people actually get it done, normally no harm as most houses are sound and not needing new junction boxes.

This information should be passed to you by the Notary when you buy the house, unfortunately in our case we did this via a legal firm who failed to pass on the usual speech. If we had had this check we would have been informed about the required work and regulations. because the junction box needed to be replaced (and as it turns out all the wires and cable tracks) the number of firms you can use is limited to those on "the list" who are thyemselves affiliated with a controller.

There is no rule against putting in cables and cable tracks, the problem comes when the installer of the box must sign off the work. Invariably this person will not sign off the work someone else has done as they make themselves liable. This includes laying the plastic traks as they also have to be sound and once they are in are rarely visible for inspection.

In the end we have negotiated with an Electricial on the list to let our contractor do the timeconsuming part, laying the cables and tracks per the instructions of the swiss electrician; that was no easy task but witha copmpletely clean slate and lots of subliminal suggestions about time saving and helping we got there.

2-4 weeks delay as a result but al now within the rules.

My advise to those using foreign contractors, get the electrics done in advance by a Swiss firm then your efficient German or Polish or (dare i say) English contractors can get on with the rest.

Next challenge - getting the commune to agree to the new position of the Heat Pump!

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Congrats on solving the sticky situ and thanks for the update.

So, when's the housewarming party?
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Re: Urgent advice from electrician required

hello,


what was the end result? i am in the same situation at the moment.


is there anything the german builders can touch on the electrics or does it have to be a swiss person even for light fitting and light switches?
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hello,


what was the end result? i am in the same situation at the moment.


is there anything the german builders can touch on the electrics or does it have to be a swiss person even for light fitting and light switches?

Read post 8 that answers your question.

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what was the end result? i am in the same situation at the moment.


is there anything the german builders can touch on the electrics or does it have to be a swiss person even for light fitting and light switches?
Did you read this bit: Urgent advice from electrician required that begins "Thanks and Update:
In case it is interesting to anyone in the future the outcome of this SAGA should be recorded."?
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Re: Urgent advice from electrician required

I am having an electrician come today to mine for a quote, he comes from the french side, and says he is able to work both in switzerland and france, we are in geneva.

do I need to ask for special registration to make sure that he is allowed to work in switzerland in terms of what this thread was speaking about the german guy not being qualified to do the final bits? I also will have to show a controller a report that all the work they told me to do has been done.

Wondering if anyone has any advice? Thank you.
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I am having an electrician come today to mine for a quote, he comes from the french side, and says he is able to work both in switzerland and france, we are in geneva.

do I need to ask for special registration to make sure that he is allowed to work in switzerland in terms of what this thread was speaking about the german guy not being qualified to do the final bits? I also will have to show a controller a report that all the work they told me to do has been done.

Wondering if anyone has any advice? Thank you.
If he's got a license to do electrical work in Switzerland then you'll be okay... check with him that he has official permission to do electrical work on this side of the border. It's not unusual for tradesmen to live in France and work in Geneva, a lot of them sadly can't afford to actually live in Switzerland.

Pretty certain the finished work needs to be checked and signed off by a different electrician though, ring SIG up and ask them!

http://www.sig-ge.ch/particuliers/ai...pports/contact
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If he's got a license to do electrical work in Switzerland then you'll be okay... check with him that he has official permission to do electrical work on this side of the border. It's not unusual for tradesmen to live in France and work in Geneva, a lot of them sadly can't afford to actually live in Switzerland.

Pretty certain the finished work needs to be checked and signed off by a different electrician though, ring SIG up and ask them!

http://www.sig-ge.ch/particuliers/ai...pports/contact
Hi, thank you for that! Yes, the work will be signed off by Securelec, they have already came by to do a control on the house and tell me what has to be done, they were sent by SIG. Securelec told me I can pick an electrician of my choice.
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