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The problem with all this is that you don't want to move out after your filthy place is so spotless!
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Re: Handing over a Flat

thanks for this post!
2 questions from my side:
- is there a problem during the handover that I will keep some of the furniture for the new tennants?
- if I used the Swiss Caution instead of the deposit, does it mean that I can just ignore the cleanliness and good condition of walls and floor, assuming that any expense is already covered?
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Yeah me too, we are about to leave our aprtment which was new when we took it on but the floors have not worn well at all with 2 tots running around...is it the usual DIY stores?
They are in COOP Bau and Hobby - and therefore probably any of the others. They're usually near the paints - and come in a variety of wood colours. The lightest (base colour) is a pretty good match - and then you use the darker waxes to colour match the grains. It takes a minute to do a big dent.
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thanks for this post!
2 questions from my side:
- is there a problem during the handover that I will keep some of the furniture for the new tennants?
- if I used the Swiss Caution instead of the deposit, does it mean that I can just ignore the cleanliness and good condition of walls and floor, assuming that any expense is already covered?
I don't know about your swiss caution question, but if you have agreed with the new tenants to leave furniture for them, then it's no problem. We have acquired curtains, a bed, a sofa and a bathroom cupboard through the generosity of previous tenants.
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thanks for this post!
2 questions from my side:
- is there a problem during the handover that I will keep some of the furniture for the new tennants?
- if I used the Swiss Caution instead of the deposit, does it mean that I can just ignore the cleanliness and good condition of walls and floor, assuming that any expense is already covered?
SwissCaution is not an insurance. What happens is the landlord will claim from SC and then SC will come to you for the money for the repairs/cleaning/general-moveout-auslander-tax.
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Old 18.04.2011, 09:39
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SwissCaution is not an insurance. What happens is the landlord will claim from SC and then SC will come to you for the money for the repairs/cleaning/general-moveout-auslander-tax.
I think this thread has proved that this is not the case.
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general-moveout-auslander-tax.
Which doesn't exist!

What exists is a disconnect between what a Swiss landlord/agent considers clean and what an auslander thinks is clean. If you aren't willing or able to clean/make good to the required standard you'll be charged to do so - at the prevailing rates for the respective trades.
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Which doesn't exist!

What exists is a disconnect between what a Swiss landlord/agent considers clean and what an auslander thinks is clean. If you aren't willing or able to clean/make good to the required standard you'll be charged to do so - at the prevailing rates for the respective trades.
I was talking to some Swiss friends who do a lot of house swaps with people from abroad.

I had a look at the site. It seems the biggest problem house-swappers face is their own perception of cleanliness compared with others.

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Re: Handing over a Flat

We are looking at cleaning our flat in June, so the info you gave is perfect! I have printed it and plan to use it.

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Which doesn't exist!

What exists is a disconnect between what a Swiss landlord/agent considers clean and what an auslander thinks is clean. If you aren't willing or able to clean/make good to the required standard you'll be charged to do so - at the prevailing rates for the respective trades.
Tell that to the Swiss company that cleaned my last place. They had to go back 4 or 5 times.
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Tell that to the Swiss company that cleaned my last place. They had to go back 4 or 5 times.
The Swiss company that cleaned our place before we moved in did such a bad job that my wife refused to let them come back and do it again.

They did try and come back though and my wife refused to let them in. The actual cleaners weren't Swiss according to my wife.
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Tell that to the Swiss company that cleaned my last place. They had to go back 4 or 5 times.
At whose expense? If you outsource the cleaning you do so with the proviso that they clean to the level accepted by the landlord.

I know people who have done this - and companies have returned a number of times - simply because, like any company, they try to maximise profits. If they can do that by cutting a few corners and saving a few hours labour they will. Sometimes they'll get away with it, sometimes they won't.

I'd rather the Swiss perfectionist model than what exits in the UK - or even worse in France.
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I'm by no means complaining about the fact that the apartment must be clean when you leave because on the other side of the coin the place you are moving into is also spotless.

In my last moving experience my upstairs neighbours moved on the same day, used the same cleaning company and we had the same landlord. They had zero complaints about the cleanliness of their place. The only difference was they are Swiss. I'm not saying this is always the case but with some landlords it most certainly is.

Now people can graon and red blobbie me all they like. It doesn't change what happened or what I said in my previous post.
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I'm by no means complaining about the fact that the apartment must be clean when you leave because on the other side of the coin the place you are moving into is also spotless.

In my last moving experience my upstairs neighbours moved on the same day, used the same cleaning company and we had the same landlord. They had zero complaints about the cleanliness of their place. The only difference was they are Swiss. I'm not saying this is always the case but with some landlords it most certainly is.

Now people can graon and red blobbie me all they like. It doesn't change what happened or what I said in my previous post.
What did they have to go back for?
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What did they have to go back for?
More cleaning. The agent complained that she could see foot prints in the newly polished parkett, turned out they were her foot prints and her shoes had "stuff" on the bottom. I was actually worried the supervisor from the cleaning company was going to beat the property agent with her own clipboard.
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More cleaning. The agent complained that she could see foot prints in the newly polished parkett, turned out they were her foot prints and her shoes had "stuff" on the bottom. I was actually worried the supervisor from the cleaning company was going to beat the property agent with her own clipboard.
So it wasn't for anything you had done as Auslanders then?
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So it wasn't for anything you had done as Auslanders then?
Like I said, same landlord (same agent), same day, same cleaning company. She (rental agent) just kept giving the cleaning company a hard time with my place. She spent about 30 minutes in the neighbours and about 2 hours in my place. Exactly the same apartments too. The only difference we (neighbours and me) could find was I am one of those that the SVP have been warning the Swiss about.
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In my last moving experience my upstairs neighbours moved on the same day, used the same cleaning company and we had the same landlord. They had zero complaints about the cleanliness of their place. The only difference was they are Swiss. I'm not saying this is always the case but with some landlords it most certainly is.

Now people can graon and red blobbie me all they like. It doesn't change what happened or what I said in my previous post.
Could be the landlord just didn't like you. Landlords give Swiss people a hard time as well. I have seen both situations.

It is always best to have an expert at the handover. I did one a few weeks ago for where I had not done the incoming handover, so I was very reluctant. The deposit was 9,000 chf. I have a perfect track record. I went over the house with the tenants in advance, instructed them what needed to be done, and I recommended the cleaning company. The handover went fine, the tenants had their deposit released at the bank the next day. Oh, yes, the tenants are foreigners.
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