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Old 17.04.2011, 18:48
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Ceiling Light wire colours

OK.. so my apartment was built in the early 80s... some holes in the ceiling have just 2 wires coming out and there's been no problem to put up a light.

Some holes have 3 wires.. green / green / yellow .... yellow / yellow / green... green / yellow / green + yellow !!!

As there's only a blue and a brown wire to attach from the light what am I supposed to do ? Having tried various combinations I've had no lucik....
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Old 17.04.2011, 18:55
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

Have a search on this very forum, and you'll find opinions ranging from "just keep trying" to "imminent danger of death". Quick precis - get someone who knows that their doing.
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Old 18.04.2011, 11:12
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

mmm..OK... I did search .. and was hoping that someone would post a link to a site that explains what's going on.. some such must exist.. but I cant find it. Guess I will have to shell out for a 'specialist'...
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Old 18.04.2011, 11:27
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

just mixing and matching will only cause you to blow the fuse, if you don't have a volt meter or electrical tester (and know how to use it) then better to be safe then sorry and get someone in.

as said on previous threads electricians here seem to make it up as they go along, you can't rely on any standard, we've had places where all 3 wires where the same colour and the colour scheme changed room to room.
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Old 18.04.2011, 11:30
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

The yellow one is live, the yellow one is neutral, the yellow one is earth. The other yellow one which is hard to see connects to a random electrical socket on the other side of the room.

That's what mine was, anyway. Luckily I got someone in (Papa Goose) who knew what they were doing. Apparently, I had the yellow one connected to where the yellow one should have been (plus he has cool drills that laugh at reinforced concrete).
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Old 18.04.2011, 11:39
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The yellow one is live, the yellow one is neutral, the yellow one is earth. The other yellow one which is hard to see connects to a random electrical socket on the other side of the room.

That's what mine was, anyway. Luckily I got someone in (Papa Goose) who knew what they were doing. Apparently, I had the yellow one connected to where the yellow one should have been (plus he has cool drills that laugh at reinforced concrete).
Old wiring didn't always follow convention - they simply used up whatever spare wire they had. This can get especially interesting if you are in a switched circuit.

The drill bits aren't the ones that cause the laughing - it is the SDS drill that they fit into. And they go through reinforced concrete like a hot knife through butter. They are great fun to use

(I did an inventory check at the weekend - my tool list now includes 5 drills (3 cordless, 1 corded, 1 SDS), angle grinder, router, hot air gun, 2 jigsaws, multi-tool, multi-angle mitre circular saw.)
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Old 18.04.2011, 11:54
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I did an inventory check at the weekend - my tool list now includes 5 drills (3 cordless, 1 corded, 1 SDS), angle grinder, router, hot air gun, 2 jigsaws, multi-tool, multi-angle mitre circular saw.
I feel emasculated... 2 drills (1 cordless), electric screwdriver, 1 jigsaw (c'mon who needs 2?), circular saw bench, soldering iron...

...on the plus side, I did manage to put up two lights on Saturday and I'm still alive...
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(I did an inventory check at the weekend - my tool list now includes 5 drills (3 cordless, 1 corded, 1 SDS), angle grinder, router, hot air gun, 2 jigsaws, multi-tool, multi-angle mitre circular saw.)
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Old 18.04.2011, 12:07
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soldering iron...
I have yet to figure out why I have 3 soldering irons!! I never do any soldering

I've got a 2-stroke strimmer
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Old wiring didn't always follow convention - they simply used up whatever spare wire they had. This can get especially interesting if you are in a switched circuit.

The drill bits aren't the ones that cause the laughing - it is the SDS drill that they fit into. And they go through reinforced concrete like a hot knife through butter. They are great fun to use

(I did an inventory check at the weekend - my tool list now includes 5 drills (3 cordless, 1 corded, 1 SDS), angle grinder, router, hot air gun, 2 jigsaws, multi-tool, multi-angle mitre circular saw.)
Best piece of kit I've bought is a multimeter, not just useful for lighting circuits but all sorts of electrical gismos. Washing machine motors, car fuses lists goes on.

Oh how much I love those SDS bits. Very useful in reinforced concrete walls.

I have 3 drills, but I'm short of an angle grinder can I join your club?
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as said on previous threads electricians here seem to make it up as they go along, you can't rely on any standard, we've had places where all 3 wires where the same colour and the colour scheme changed room to room.
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Old wiring didn't always follow convention - they simply used up whatever spare wire they had. This can get especially interesting if you are in a switched circuit.
Not quite correct. There were regional and even local codes. Even in the eighties, there were villages of 300 inhabitants who had their own codes. See here. Same topic, although not listed in the Similar Threads list below.
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Not quite correct. There were regional and even local codes. Even in the eighties, there were villages of 300 inhabitants who had their own codes. See here. Same topic, although not listed in the Similar Threads list below.

doesn't mean they where followed though
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

Here is a good thread for you to read.


There are a lot of useful links within it as well.


for quick reference, here is a summary of the links:

cf. http://www.standard.ch/produkte/5045...5cc0713a06.htm
cf. http://www.bruggcables.com/.../Farbc...D_308_S2_d.pdf

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c734_0.html

Here is a nice picture of showing you what you are allowed to do and what not:
http://www.kontrollbuero.ch/selfmade/selfmade.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring
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Re: Ceiling Light wire colours

I have a multimeter for checking these. I have found that the blue at least stays common through the house here.
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doesn't mean they where followed though
In most places checks by local authorities were very strict, and an electrician not sticking to the code could get in serious troubles.

I remember when the wiring in our vacation home in the Engadine was checked after restoration in the eighties. That village of 250 inhabitants had its own code. The electrician was from the neighboring village becasue there was none locally. The inspector just cut off the cord of a wall-mounted electric heater because it had wrong colors inside. He said it was the second time the electrician had to be cautioned on that matter; a third time and he would lose his local license.

Some very weird color schemes may also have been caused by DIYers. After all, we have all sorts of amateurs here who ask the forum for help and may eventually mess up everything all the same.
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Sure thing - you'll probably be roped into buiding a fence at the same time
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Call a local sparky.
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Another lighting question

(Sorry just realised I put this in the wrong forum - should be in Housing in general)

So I moved into my new place with the typical bare wire lighting setup. I went and bought some light fittings from Jumbo that have a white plastic 'cup' thingy (see pics). The guy in Jumbo seemed to imply that this goes inside the hole in the ceiling.

There's a blue and a brown wire inside the connector and I have blue and pink hanging from my ceiling, so I presume I connect blue to blue and brown to pink. The thing I can't figure out is how to attach or insert the 'cup' into the hole in the ceiling. The hole is about 5 - 6 cm and the 'cup' is about 10 cm. There seems to be a steel or concrete ring in the hole in the ceiling so it doesn't seem to be possible to make the hole bigger. Any thoughts?
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Old 05.11.2011, 12:03
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Re: Another lighting question

The cup is to hold and hide away the wires and connectors, not to go in the ceiling. There may be a hook or somesuch for you to attach it to the 'hole'. As for which wire goes where, good luck there and stay safe.
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