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Old 25.04.2011, 18:06
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Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

Hi there,

My partner and I will probably be leaving Switzerland at the end of the year. We live in Niederhasli, about 25 min away from Zurich by train. When we leave, we'd like to find someone to take over our flat, and would love to simply leave all the furniture and stuff in the flat and rent it as it is. My question is, do you think that it would work (we'd offer all the stuff included in the flat for a fixed (low) price)? My parnter seems not to think so, but then again, he's Swiss and he's thinking of Swiss customers. From hearsay/stuff you've read on the forum, do you think it's a good idea?
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Old 25.04.2011, 18:10
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

You have to return the apartment in proper condition. In my experience it's very difficult to clean and have it inspected if it's full of stuff!

Also, the person moving in might want 'none' of your stuff, or they might want 'some' or they might want all of it - but you can't really rent it furnished, because it belongs to the landlord, and you won't be subletting it, just giving it back to the landlord...

Does that make sense ? Most people get worried about the hassle of trying to get rid of everything in time for the moving out date, so start early and get rid of stuff piece by piece, and end up probably taking a load to the tip.

If you leave stuff in the apartment, the landlord might just decide it's waste to be removed, and then charge you waste removal costs!
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Old 25.04.2011, 18:33
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

Hi Swiss Pea. Yes, I know exactly what you mean, but that's why I mentioned 'selling' the stuff. For example, when I move to another country, I'd find it really useful to find a fully furnished flat to rent even if it means I have to purchase the stuff inside. But I agree with you, I'm not sure how the landlord would take it.
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

also, I really hate the thought of throwing stuff away (it's such a waste), and trying to get rid of everything individually, even if I'd give it away for free, would take up so much time, hence the idea of trying to get someone to take over the flat with all its contents.
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Hi Swiss Pea. Yes, I know exactly what you mean, but that's why I mentioned 'selling' the stuff. For example, when I move to another country, I'd find it really useful to find a fully furnished flat to rent even if it means I have to purchase the stuff inside. But I agree with you, I'm not sure how the landlord would take it.
Unless you are very lucky, he would not take it at all.
As previously said by Swiss Pea, he would just bin it and charge you for the cost of it (which is not cheap).
Furnished apartments are a viable business-model here in Zurich - but it's IMO not worth the hassle to do for a single one, even (and only) if you own it yourself.
Long-term this also means that it's a good idea not to accumulate so much stuff. Sadly, it also means to shun all high-quality furniture in favor of IKEA throw-aways.
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

on the other hand, when we moved in a colleague managed to get us the contents of the apartment that she was moving into (she already had everything) - and we got a fantastic bargain ! - it would have cost us about 2000chf for the total of what the outgoing tenant gave us - I think we paid 350chf...and we had to organise a removalist which cost us about 200chf...
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

"What you could do is try to sell everything as a lot to a new comer. ETA: LIke Swisspea said above! "


That's my point! Of course I know the landlord would not take it.
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Well, that's not really what you said. The way I read your post was that you want to leave it all in the apartment that you are leaving so that your apartment is then rented as a furnished apartment. That's highly unlikely to be possible.

It certainly is possible to put up an ad where you have the whole thing up for sale at a fixed price for pick up X day. But even then you need to be ready for Plan B should you not find a buyer who wants to take everything together.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant is this: Yes, I would put up everything for sale BUT, I would try to find a new tenant willing to buy the furniture so that 1) someone out there doesn't have to spend weeks in IKEA and 2) I don't have to move heavy furniture/throw things away. This means that the stuff would not leave the flat, and that's why I'm not sure the landlord would be ok with it/

I hope this makes it clearer.
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Re: Is there a demand for furnished appartments?

The only time I've seen this work is when one employee is going back to Country A at the same time another employee from the same company is arriving from Country A.

It's possible, but not certain. I think it's easier to sell the stuff separately.

If you're leaving in December, you may already have problems since end of December is not a normal move-out date.
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The only time I've seen this work is when one employee is going back to Country A at the same time another employee from the same company is arriving from Country A.

It's possible, but not certain. I think it's easier to sell the stuff separately.

If you're leaving in December, you may already have problems since end of December is not a normal move-out date.
Thanks for that. As for the December issue, that's true, so we would have to find someone who wants to take over the contract.
I'm not sure the furniture would be easy to sell. It seems like such a hassle. Forums are saturated with furniture for sale, and then you have to make appointments with every person who needs to pick stuff up (and face cancelling and postponemets)
I know my idea sounds weird, but it would save me and someone out there a lot of time and effort. You are all, however, making me aware of why it might not work
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Hi there,

My partner and I will probably be leaving Switzerland at the end of the year. We live in Niederhasli, about 25 min away from Zurich by train. When we leave, we'd like to find someone to take over our flat, and would love to simply leave all the furniture and stuff in the flat and rent it as it is. My question is, do you think that it would work (we'd offer all the stuff included in the flat for a fixed (low) price)? My parnter seems not to think so, but then again, he's Swiss and he's thinking of Swiss customers. From hearsay/stuff you've read on the forum, do you think it's a good idea?
When I moved in my apartment, I bought all the furniture/stuff inside.

I asked if I would be able to do the same myself when I will leave the apartment, the tenant said me that I will just have to put an ad myself and select the new tenant according to his will to buy the furniture...

And no problem for the inspection (with Livit), I just said I wanted to buy the furniture and that was it.
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When I moved in my apartment, I bought all the furniture/stuff inside.

I asked if I would be able to do the same myself when I will leave the apartment, the tenant said me that I will just have to put an ad myself and select the new tenant according to his will to buy the furniture...

And no problem for the inspection (with Livit), I just said I wanted to buy the furniture and that was it.
Thanks for that. That's exactly what I want to do. I will ask my tenant if that's ok when the time comes.
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Finding Nachmieter to take apartment with furniture.

I think it might work. I know of a couple of cases where it was done in Zurich. You just need to start looking for a new tenant earlier.

Since you are not moving in a normal end-of-contract time, you'll need to find a Nachmieter yourself who'll apply for your apartment at the same terms as your contract. If your apartment is not overpriced and given you're as "close to Zurich" as your profile says, you should be able to find numerous people who would be happy to take it -- and with the number of Ausländer coming to the Zurich area all the time, there may well be some who'd be happy to also have most or all of your furniture.


Since at this stage it is still your responsibility to find a new tenant (though they then have to apply and get the contract from the landlord, but they can only be rejected under certain circumstances), you can do this at your own terms -- i.e. choose whom you offer to show your apartment to. Post at your workplace and various boards and fora, especially ones frequented by Ausländer such as this one, that your apartment will be available in December with priority to people who'd be willing to take it with the furniture. If somebody who wants such a furnished apartment comes and is interested, let them apply and state that they will overtake your furniture.


Technically the landlord can refuse as during the handover they have the right to demand it returned the same way as in a normal end of contract, but from the cases I know of, they generally don't have a problem with that if the following tenants accept it, as it then becomes their responsibility to get rid of the furniture once they move out.

Inspection during the handover may be a bit more difficult, but as long as everybody is in agreement over the state of the apartment during the handover, that doesn't overly concern the landlord, as the new tenants have signed the Protokoll with you (and the landlord) agreeing that they received the apartment in that condition, and are then responsible when they hand it over. So the risk to the landlord is minimal.

The new tenants then still have two weeks where they can legally claim deficiencies not found during first signing of the Protokoll and if they were not discovered because they were behind your furniture you may then be held responsible to pay for these, but that right is there in any case, which is why you always only get your deposit back some time after handing the apartment back.


Of course you should always have a plan B to just get rid of the stuff, in case this fails for whatever reason in the last weeks, but I expect chances are high that if you get the Nachmieter yourself that it'll work out.

The other problem I can think of is the rental agency might just decide they release you from the responsibility of finding a Nachmieter, and will take care of that themselves. That sometimes happens, usually because the agency wishes to renovate the place and raise the price to the new tenant (which they cannot do if you bring a Nachmieter, as in that case they have to get the same contract as you had).
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I think it might work. I know of a couple of cases where it was done in Zurich. You just need to start looking for a new tenant earlier.

Since you are not moving in a normal end-of-contract time, you'll need to find a Nachmieter yourself who'll apply for your apartment at the same terms as your contract. If your apartment is not overpriced and given you're as "close to Zurich" as your profile says, you should be able to find numerous people who would be happy to take it -- and with the number of Ausländer coming to the Zurich area all the time, there may well be some who'd be happy to also have most or all of your furniture.


Since at this stage it is still your responsibility to find a new tenant (though they then have to apply and get the contract from the landlord, but they can only be rejected under certain circumstances), you can do this at your own terms -- i.e. choose whom you offer to show your apartment to. Post at your workplace and various boards and fora, especially ones frequented by Ausländer such as this one, that your apartment will be available in December with priority to people who'd be willing to take it with the furniture. If somebody who wants such a furnished apartment comes and is interested, let them apply and state that they will overtake your furniture.


Technically the landlord can refuse as during the handover they have the right to demand it returned the same way as in a normal end of contract, but from the cases I know of, they generally don't have a problem with that if the following tenants accept it, as it then becomes their responsibility to get rid of the furniture once they move out.

Inspection during the handover may be a bit more difficult, but as long as everybody is in agreement over the state of the apartment during the handover, that doesn't overly concern the landlord, as the new tenants have signed the Protokoll with you (and the landlord) agreeing that they received the apartment in that condition, and are then responsible when they hand it over. So the risk to the landlord is minimal.

The new tenants then still have two weeks where they can legally claim deficiencies not found during first signing of the Protokoll and if they were not discovered because they were behind your furniture you may then be held responsible to pay for these, but that right is there in any case, which is why you always only get your deposit back some time after handing the apartment back.


Of course you should always have a plan B to just get rid of the stuff, in case this fails for whatever reason in the last weeks, but I expect chances are high that if you get the Nachmieter yourself that it'll work out.

The other problem I can think of is the rental agency might just decide they release you from the responsibility of finding a Nachmieter, and will take care of that themselves. That sometimes happens, usually because the agency wishes to renovate the place and raise the price to the new tenant (which they cannot do if you bring a Nachmieter, as in that case they have to get the same contract as you had).
That's extremely helpful!
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Hi there,

My partner and I will probably be leaving Switzerland at the end of the year. We live in Niederhasli, about 25 min away from Zurich by train. When we leave, we'd like to find someone to take over our flat, and would love to simply leave all the furniture and stuff in the flat and rent it as it is. My question is, do you think that it would work (we'd offer all the stuff included in the flat for a fixed (low) price)? My parnter seems not to think so, but then again, he's Swiss and he's thinking of Swiss customers. From hearsay/stuff you've read on the forum, do you think it's a good idea?
The flat needs to be returned to the landlord in the same condition as it was taken over. Some landlords will exceptionally allow an incoming tenant to take on some items but this is rare.

Clearing out an apartment is hard work. I have done this for clients so I know what is involved. You can offer items on EF or on Ricardo for maximum exposure. You can also place ads locally (grocery store notice boards) and put things outside that are free as well. They will just disappear. At least that is my experience.
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