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Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

My family and I will be moving to Bern late September, as I will be starting work in October, and I'm stressing out because the booking I had made for temporary accommodation has just been cancelled on us.

I had organised accommodation at Appartementhaus Bern to ensure that we had somewhere to stay until we could find a permanent home (we're wanting a 5 1/2 room place and I've been keeping an eye on Homegate and immo.search, but can't sort out anything permanent until we get there), but I just received an email last week to say that they had a better offer for their apartments and so would no longer be able to accommodate us.

I've checked UMS and there just isn't anything suitable around the time we need it. Places available are either too small or don't want children or too long a term or not available until October etc.

Marthahaus is too expensive and Florhaus don't have anything big enough, and I can't get on to the Mohnhouse website.

I have a brother living in Baden, but he can’t help as he’s only got a 1 ˝ room place and couldn’t accommodate the 4 of us (plus baby)! Commuting is also not an option as my employer needs me to live within half an hour of work.

We don't have a lot of money to spend as they don't have a fantastically generous relocation package (It doesn’t even cover the flights for the whole family), so we can't afford a hotel, or anything extravagant.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I could do?
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Old 14.08.2011, 01:31
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I am not familiar with the furnished apartment market in Bern, but I found this,

http://www.wg-gesucht.de/wohnungen-i....1.0.html?so=2

http://www.wg-gesucht.de/wohnungen-i...n.2761263.html

With 2 adults and 2 children you would need a minimum of 3˝ rooms (2 bedrooms, living, kitchen & bathroom) to 4˝ rooms (3 bedrooms living, kitchen & bathroom) are you sure you need a 5˝ room place?

You had a contract with "Appartementhaus Bern" and they are obliged to honour it. I think you could make a claim against them.

When you get here I might be able to help you more as I am retired and have some time to spare.

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Old 14.08.2011, 01:39
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

Offer: unfurnished 4˝ room apartment, edge of Berne, CHF 1’700 per month. Empty and available.
The pension fund of Marti the large building company owns these apartments, and they are managed by Marti themselves. The apartment was recently renovated, has 3 bedrooms, bathroom with shower & WC, and an extra WC with basin. Kitchen has 4 glass ceramic hobs, fan oven, dishwasher, fridge/freezer compartment. South west facing balcony, no satellite dish possible. Cablecom cable TV with 12 English channels, and Swisscom telephone line. It is on the first floor and is vacant for immediate possession.

I have lived here happily since August 2008 with my 2 older children. Nearby are 3 farms and a small shop and a restaurant. We have free use, after 3 pm and at weekends, of a small indoor swimming pool. We are 15 minutes by bus and train from the Berne main railway station.

The rental is about CHF 1'400 per month plus CHF 300 for heating and extra costs (Gardening, cleaning the stairs etc.) A covered garage can also be rented for about CHF 115 per month. Ittigen has low tax. Here is a link to the advert,

http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...97047&index=15

I have more photos of my similar apartment. PM or mail me a request. Location: http://map.search.ch/ittigen/kappelisackerstr.99
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My family and I will be moving to Bern late September, as I will be starting work in October, and I'm stressing out because the booking I had made for temporary accommodation has just been cancelled on us.

I had organised accommodation at Appartementhaus Bern to ensure that we had somewhere to stay until we could find a permanent home (we're wanting a 5 1/2 room place and I've been keeping an eye on Homegate and immo.search, but can't sort out anything permanent until we get there), but I just received an email last week to say that they had a better offer for their apartments and so would no longer be able to accommodate us.

I've checked UMS and there just isn't anything suitable around the time we need it. Places available are either too small or don't want children or too long a term or not available until October etc.

Marthahaus is too expensive and Florhaus don't have anything big enough, and I can't get on to the Mohnhouse website.

I have a brother living in Baden, but he can’t help as he’s only got a 1 ˝ room place and couldn’t accommodate the 4 of us (plus baby)! Commuting is also not an option as my employer needs me to live within half an hour of work.

We don't have a lot of money to spend as they don't have a fantastically generous relocation package (It doesn’t even cover the flights for the whole family), so we can't afford a hotel, or anything extravagant.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I could do?
What's your budget for monthly rent?

Assumption that you looking for temporary furnished?

Although probably hard to say, what min/max period do you envisage staying in temporary accommodation?

Would you consider being a train commute (within 30 mins) of Bern?

In which area of Bern will you be working, and do know if it's easily reachable from Bern Central station?

UMS show this (Laupen is 30 mins by train):
http://www.ums.ch/offer-detail/21049...use-Laupen-BE/

Another one (although probably price prohibitive):
http://www.ums.ch/offer-detail/21104...-Weissenstein/

[you may also have to consider paying from beginning of month (Sept)]

This link for Mohnhaus works for me (but size also seems to be an issue)

http://www.mohnhaus.ch/en/index.html

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Old 14.08.2011, 02:48
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

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I am not familiar with the furnished apartment market in Bern, but I found this,

http://www.wg-gesucht.de/wohnungen-i....1.0.html?so=2

http://www.wg-gesucht.de/wohnungen-i...n.2761263.html

With 2 adults and 2 children you would need a minimum of 3˝ rooms (2 bedrooms, living, kitchen & bathroom) to 4˝ rooms (3 bedrooms living, kitchen & bathroom) are you sure you need a 5˝ room place?

You had a contract with "Appartementhaus Bern" and they are obliged to honour it. I think you could make a claim against them.

When you get here I might be able to help you more as I am retired and have some time to spare.
Thanks for that link - I hadn't come across that one before.

2-3 rooms would be OK for a short time, but we definitely need 5 1/2 rooms in the long term. We actually have 4 children - I didn't include the baby as he's still in with us or our oldest as he won't be joining us until later. The middle two can share a room temporarily, but we'll need to get them separated fairly quickly, before they permanently maim one another - it's not wise to keep a (nearly) 17 yo girl and 9 yo boy together in a confined space! And we expect that some of our friends and family will make it over here to visit, so it would be nice to be able to accommodate them, so 5 1/2 rooms is really not excessive...

As far as Appartementhaus Bern goes, we hadn't reached the contract stage. They offered us the apartment and I accepted the offer, but had a few questions, and the next thing, I get the email saying they could no longer accommodate us. No breach of contract, but extremely disappointing and stressful.

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Offer: unfurnished 4˝ room apartment, edge of Berne, CHF 1’700 per month. Empty and available.
We have actually been to see the apartment (or your one, at least) in June, and it's lovely. It's just too small for all of us, and my husband, ideally, would like to live in Bern central if possible. But if anyone else is looking for a place in Bern, I can really recommend it. It's light and airy and has a lovely aspect - and a reduit for hiding all the junk!

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What's your budget for monthly rent?

Assumption that you looking for temporary furnished?

Although probably hard to say, what min/max period do you envisage staying in temporary accommodation?

Would you consider being a train commute (within 30 mins) of Bern?

In which area of Bern will you be working, and do know if it's easily reachable from Bern Central station?

UMS show this (Laupen is 30 mins by train):
http://www.ums.ch/offer-detail/21049...use-Laupen-BE/

Another one (although probably price prohibitive):
http://www.ums.ch/offer-detail/21104...-Weissenstein/

[you may also have to consider paying from beginning of month (Sept)]

This link for Mohnhaus works for me (but size also seems to be an issue)

http://www.mohnhaus.ch/en/index.html
Temp. furnished would be ideal. We won't be taking much with us from NZ and I don't much fancy having to jump off the plane and rush into Ikea to buy beds and I have no idea how long we would need it for. I don't know how fast the housing market moves in Bern, and I guess we also need to seriously consider how fussy we're going to be about holding out for the perfect place. I'd love to be in a permanent place before Christmas, if possible.

Our budget is around $2500 pm so the Weissenstein one is definitely out of reach, and being outside Bern stadt will create a bit of extra work with sorting the children's schooling. I've been in contact with the Schulamt in Bern, but they only do Bern Stadt, if we live anywhere else I'll need to start again with finding schools etc. Not that it's a big deal, it's just one more thing to do...

And the idea of paying for 3 weeks of accommodation that I won't be using is abhorrent! Is this the norm, or just one more possible tripstone that I need to watch out for?
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

Paying for three weeks of unused accommodation is not surprising to me. We were also shocked when we arrived and finally found a place, that aside from when our contract is up, there are three days a year when we are allowed to move. Otherwise we have to pay until one of those three days (even if it is empty) or can try and find someone to sublet.

This is an over-generalization, but my biggest shock in being here, is how rigid things are. Efficient? Yes. Rigid? Also yes.

Good luck! (And Neuchatel is a half hour commute from Bern, though taxes are high...)
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

The Swiss population is rather stable and there is not much internal migration, so supply and demand don't change greatly. Further, since housing is primarily build/bought for investment, no investor wishes to have any housing sitting empty, therefore the tight rental conditions. The building standards, regulations and costs make housing very expensive compared to many other countries, but also very solid. There is little housing speculation and supply has about always been pretty much behind demand.

All of the foregoing come under the Swiss sense of stability, efficiency and order, which, in turn, contribute to the attraction of Switzerland, while posing a kind of defacto barrier to who can can make it here and who cannot, it's not personal.

I just thought I'd say this as it is part and parcel of living in Switzerland, and while some don't like it, it has proved stabilizing and efficient for the Swiss.

Just accept the conditions as they are and keep at it. It might not be as easy as you thought, but between help here and something opening up there, it is going to work out.
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

...just as a wild shot, you might see if you can find any help/tips through these links:

http://www.nzclub.ch/dreamweaver/web...tent/index.php
http://switzerland.angloinfo.com/
http://www.nzembassy.com/switzerland...in-switzerland
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Old 14.08.2011, 23:55
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Hi Suzie, I forgot it was you who visited me and my apartment!

How long will your contract or stay be here? The temporary apartment way seems to be very expensive,
when you might get a 5˝ room house on your budget of $ 2'500 (US or NZ?) and furnish it with free or cheap EF furniture?

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103690...ault&l=default

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103692...ault&l=default

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103702...ault&l=default

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103595...ault&l=default

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103632...ault&l=default

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103690...ault&l=default

These are all in or near Bern.
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

Problem is .... furnished accommodation is always rarer to find, and is often aimed more at singles and couples.

Larger houses and apartments come at a premium - availability and price - as you've unfortunately found out.

Because Bern is home to many Embassies, there is a possibility that there is a higher demand for temporary family size dwellings, due to new members of the diplomatic community (arriving here with their families) needs being similar to your own.

Is your future employer not able to offer any assistance to help find your initial, short term accommodation (HR dept., relocation agent or hotel subsidy)?
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Problem is .... furnished accommodation is always rarer to find, and is often aimed more at singles and couples.
This is exactly what my employers said during the interviews, they also said that they primarily imported single people or couples from Germany, and that this was the first time they'd brought in anyone from so far away, and with such a big family, so I guess they weren't really considering the logistics of the move (I guess I wasn't really, either, otherwise I would have pushed for more relocation assistance rather than simply being thrilled that they actually wanted me )

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Larger houses and apartments come at a premium - availability and price - as you've unfortunately found out.

Because Bern is home to many Embassies, there is a possibility that there is a higher demand for temporary family size dwellings, due to new members of the diplomatic community (arriving here with their families) needs being similar to your own.

Is your future employer not able to offer any assistance to help find your initial, short term accommodation (HR dept., relocation agent or hotel subsidy)?
That's a good idea. I'll definitely get back to them and see if there's anything they can do for me...
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

and see whether HR can give you someone that has gone through the same passage as you (family relocation with children) in the company to talk to. They might be able to give you some tips..
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Re: Help! Don't want to be homeless in Bern

This one popped up today, in Port near Nidau & Biel.

http://www.homegate.ch/mieten/103715003?tr=1

http://map.search.ch/port/neumattstr...baeude,service
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