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Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

Hello and thanks for reading this post. Also double thanks if you post a reply.

I am fixing a ceiling light and could do with some advice. Refer to the attached image please.

Lamp side- On the lamp side the plastic CONNECTOR DOODA thing is straight forward. You insert the wire and tighten the screw. So all is clear on that side.

Ceiling Side- I have three set of wires coming from the ceiling that go into grey CHICLET THINGS. These CHICLET THING have got me totally confused.

Question 1- How the hell do the grey CHICLET THINGS work? How do they grip the wire? Do you just insert the wire and hope it stay in

Question 2- I assume I need to buy 3 wires and have them go from the Lamp side CONNECTOR DOODA into the corresponding CHICLET THING. Each CHICLET THING has 5 holes in total. Does the wire from the Lamp side have to go into any specific hole or any of the free hole will do?

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Hi sun&rain, sorry, I haven't a clue with regards to your wiring, but that is a brilliant first post!! Welcome!
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

before you electricuted yourself with a HUGE bill, get Pappa Goose to sort it out for you. I am sure that bill will be less than you sitting in the dark and using laptop for light.
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Hi sun&rain, sorry, I haven't a clue with regards to your wiring, but that is a brilliant first post!! Welcome!
Thanks Nicola.
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before you electricuted yourself with a HUGE bill, get Pappa Goose to sort it out for you. I am sure that bill will be less than you sitting in the dark and using laptop for light.
I don't want to stay in the darkness of ignorance forever hence would like to tackle this myself first
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

The chicklet thimg have a razor type blade in and just jold any wire you stick in, to get thrm out again you have to twist them out. All tje holes are connected so it doesnt matter what hole you stick the wire in. If no one else helps i'll answer the other question when i'm not on my phone
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I don't want to stay in the darkness of ignorance forever hence would like to tackle this myself first
Ignorance is bliss. Please call someone who knows what they are doing. Trust me, once installed you will not feel you missed on not knowing the ins and outs of connecting a light fixture.
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

Remove the chocolate block quick connect (you don't need to duplicate quick-connect boxes), and insert the cables from the lamp straight into the "chiclet".
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

1) Lamps normally only have two wires (N and P, ground is not used), however some MAY have a protective ground (the G/Y wire). Oh, N=neutral (aka ground, but not necessarily the same as protective ground, though it should be), P= Phase (one of the three, doesn't really matter which)

2) As regards you chicklets, never seen one but all 5 positions should be equal.

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I don't want to stay in the darkness of ignorance forever hence would like to tackle this myself first
I know I would rather play games while someone else fix the light then trying to get it going for 3 days and have to go to doctor because of high blood pressure
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

I'll tell you what it looks like to me - whoever did this obviously left his horse tied up outside and couldn't see what he was doing because his Stetson was too big.

All that seems to have happened is that the ends of the wires have been capped to insulate them (with those grey CHICLETS). I would guess that the live and neutral are still live and would "bite" - take care. The earth doesn't need one, but for neatness(?) has also been capped.

The DOODA connector just joins wires (always the same colour) together and may or may not be needed.

The wires from the ceiling (all 3) can be fitted to a new light fitting, by following the wiring instructions with the new fitting. Normally additional sleeves for the wires are included to avoid possible shorting against the metal casing of any light fitting.

If you are confident that you can fit a new light yourself, ensure that the power supply to that light is switched off.

If you are at all unsure pay for someone who knows.
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

I had something similar with my ceiling lamps. What you do is remove the 'dooda' from the lamp side and put the corresponding wires into the chicklets at the single hole in the front (if these are the same sort of chicklets that my wiring has) as they have a clamp inside.

Be sure to wear rubber-soled shoes and avoid metal ladders as being the path of least resistance to ground is no fun.

Oh, and another surprise nobody tells you about until you start mucking about with the lamps is that you have to go buy mounting hooks for the lamp itself as people take these with them (never seen another country where the fixture hooks aren't part of the receptacle ) which come in 2 different sizes, are a PITA to mount AND cost about 10CHF per.
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1) Lamps normally only have two wires (N and P, ground is not used), however some MAY have a protective ground (the G/Y wire). Oh, N=neutral (aka ground, but not necessarily the same as protective ground, though it should be), P= Phase (one of the three, doesn't really matter which)

2) As regards you chicklets, never seen one but all 5 positions should be equal.

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Sorry Tom, ceiling lamps should have an earth (ground), especially if there is a metal casing for the lamp that fits it to the ceiling. If the insulation from live or neutral rubs off and shows bare wire then this can short against the metal fitting, making the whole thing live.

You need the earth connected as safety against this possibility.
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

It's a metal lamp and on the lamp side the green earth wire comes pre attached to the metal part of the lamp.
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I had something similar with my ceiling lamps. What you do is remove the 'dooda' from the lamp side and put the corresponding wires into the chicklets at the single hole in the front (if these are the same sort of chicklets that my wiring has) as they have a clamp inside.
I am looking at the rectangular hole in the front of CHICLET and it looks all plastic. I will insert tester screwdriver to see if the rectangular hole is live. From visual inspection It seems that the single rectangular opening in the front has no metal bit inside. Also in the bedroom (working lamp) I see the lamp side wire goes into one of the 5 holes and not the front rectangular single opening. So I will have to insert the wire at the back in one of the 5 holes.

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Power switched off, rubber shoes on, wooden stool and a tester screwdriver at hand. You people make me really nervous

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Hook is already there, look carefully between the green and brown wire
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Re: Ceiling wire connection confusion (image included)

I chickened out for now. Will read all the posts again and sleep over it.
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Sorry Tom, ceiling lamps should have an earth (ground), especially if there is a metal casing for the lamp that fits it to the ceiling. If the insulation from live or neutral rubs off and shows bare wire then this can short against the metal fitting, making the whole thing live.

You need the earth connected as safety against this possibility.
I have various lamps with only two wires, just the way it is. But they aren't metal. In fact, none of mine are (just checked).

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I know I would rather play games while someone else fix the light then trying to get it going for 3 days and have to go to doctor because of high blood pressure
Playing the game of life and death is the ultimate thrill. When I was a kid we had a dodgy bedroom switch. 20% of the time it would give me an electric shock
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I am looking at the rectangular hole in the front of CHICLET and it looks all plastic. I will insert tester screwdriver to see if the rectangular hole is live. From visual inspection It seems that the single rectangular opening in the front has no metal bit inside.
I would expect that to be the release port, i.e. a screwdriver (or such) inserted there should release the captive wires from the other side.

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What colour are the lamp wires? Green and two brown it looks like on the photo...but it can't be??
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