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Do elevators in Switzerland have mandatory maintenance once per year or so? And if so, how can I find out? Is there a sticker or some other sign inside the elevator that would tell me when it was serviced last?
The elevator in our building has been increasing its creaking noises for a few months now, up to the point where it sounds as if cables are grinding against each other, and nothing appears to be done about it. Before I go and get yelled at by either concierge or gerance for interfering with their carefully planned maintenance schedules i figured I'd ask some input here...
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Why don'r you check with the " Hausmeister" He/She should know and tace care of this
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Old 30.08.2011, 16:22
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Before I go and get yelled at by either concierge or gerance for interfering with their carefully planned maintenance schedules i figured I'd ask some input here...
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Re: Elevator maintenance

All building maintenance costs should be detailed in the nebenkosten, you should get a statement once a year.
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Re: Elevator maintenance

The elevator will have multiple cables, each of which is capable on its own of supporting the car. In some freak event situation where they all snap at once, or perhaps an anchor point lets go, the cab has brakes built in that sense it is going too fast and will stop it from going into free fall. Maybe it will get stuck between floors- maybe- but there will be an emergency button for that and 99.9% likely anyone riding will have a phone on them as well.

So I wouldn't worry too much. If it keeps making noises or gets worse, and nothing is done, then tell someone.
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The elevator will have multiple cables, each of which is capable on its own of supporting the car. In some freak event situation where they all snap at once, or perhaps an anchor point lets go, the car has brakes built in that sense it is going too fast and will stop it from going into free fall. Maybe it will get stuck between floors- maybe- but there will be an emergency button for that and 99.9% likely anyone riding will have a phone on them as well.
Thanks. I am not too worried about safety, althought this does make me feel more comfortable about still getting in it. I was more worried about the noise it makes, as it is quite annoying. It was because of this I started to look if there was any maintenance done on it lately, but I couldn't find anything like the stickers you sometimes see in other countries telling you when it was last checked. If it persists I will ask the concierge who I should contact to have them take a look at it.
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Thanks. I am not too worried about safety, althought this does make me feel more comfortable about still getting in it. I was more worried about the noise it makes, as it is quite annoying. It was because of this I started to look if there was any maintenance done on it lately, but I couldn't find anything like the stickers you sometimes see in other countries telling you when it was last checked. If it persists I will ask the concierge who I should contact to have them take a look at it.
In Switzerland, if it ain't really, really, really, really broke, they're not going to fix it. However, if it does turn out to be broken, then a full motion of various element will take place. The Hausmeister, will consult the agency, the agency thinks about it and set a date with the Hausmeister to look at the elevator. Unfortunately, the Hausmeister is on vacation that day and they have to reschedule for another date...which falls coincidentally on a national holiday. Well, since they're well known for planning, they'll finally find a date in roughly 3 months time. A representative of the agency comes by and meets with the Hausmeister and they'll ride the elevator up and down. If the representative of the Agency thinks it needs to be looked at, they'll ring up one of the 2 elevator companies in Switzerland. Now since they're busy with real projects somewhere in China, they're not going to bother with Swiss skyscrapers (4 stories) and arrange a meeting in roughly 3 months time. Now a representative from the elevator company, the Hausmeister and the agency meet during on the scheduled day. They'll ride the elevator up and down and since there are no real mechanics in Switzerland who can fix anything remotely mechanic, they'll come to an agreement, to put in a new elevator. The representative of the agency, will have a meeting with his boss whenever he gets back from vacation...but not right after, but roughly 2 weeks after his vacation, as the boss needs to get ease back into daily life. Therefore, add another month or so to the waiting time. During the meeting, they'll discuss procurement of the new elevator. The boss quickly agrees and thinks, that this will justify a rent increase. Now, the rental agency gets in a few offers from the elevator companies....this process takes another 3 weeks. The rental agency receives the offer and by that time it's Christmas and thus nothing can be done anyways. Some time in mid February, after Frau Flury, the elderly lady from the 4th floor gets stuck once again in the elevator on her scheduled wash day which by the way, she never missed for the last 40 years, files an official complaint and threatens to involve the Mietverband. The rental agency quickly accepts one of the offer (the one where one of the boss' brother in law works at). The elevator companies swiftly reacts by setting a starting date (3 months from reception of letter of intent). It takes them another 5 months to put in a new elevator, which by the way is smaller and slower than the old, noisy elevator..but hey, at least it wasn't put in by these damn Germans from across the border, who by the way were cheaper and wrote that they could set up a new elevator in 3 weeks time.

My question now, do you really want to complain about the crackling noise?
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The elevator will have multiple cables, each of which is capable on its own of supporting the car. In some freak event situation where they all snap at once, or perhaps an anchor point lets go, the cab has brakes built in that sense it is going too fast and will stop it from going into free fall. Maybe it will get stuck between floors- maybe- but there will be an emergency button for that and 99.9% likely anyone riding will have a phone on them as well.

So I wouldn't worry too much. If it keeps making noises or gets worse, and nothing is done, then tell someone.
Frankly, I'd go on worrying and asking questions.
I walked into the ground floor of a building, the lift doors opened, and I stepped into a void, fell several floors BUT lived to tell the tale.
If a lift was making unusual noises, I'd be asking questions of whomsoever I thought might know the answer and would be totally unconcerned about offending anyone at all.
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Frankly, I'd go on worrying and asking questions.
I walked into the ground floor of a building, the lift doors opened, and I stepped into a void, fell several floors BUT lived to tell the tale.
If a lift was making unusual noises, I'd be asking questions of whomsoever I thought might know the answer and would be totally unconcerned about offending anyone at all.
Ouch! I think i'll go ask tomorrow - just to be sure. Even if it takes 6 months
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Re: Elevator maintenance

My neighbour was a lift technician and amazingly there is no law about minimum maintenance or repairs! Except the lifts and elevators used by the public which have a legal minimum maintenance plan.

Others in a private building used by the public to visit a doctor or accountant (for example) do not. He often whined to me that a customer refused to replace the worn out brake pads, which allowed the lift to stop near the door, but the lift would not stop exactly level.

I would definitely report the lift noises to the agency in writing.
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Ouch! I think i'll go ask tomorrow - just to be sure. Even if it takes 6 months
In fact, had anyone visited the lowest garage floor during the three quarters of an hour I was there creating my own little blood-bath, I would have been flattened.
More's the pity some might say
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The elevator will have multiple cables, each of which is capable on its own of supporting the car. In some freak event situation where they all snap at once, or perhaps an anchor point lets go, the cab has brakes built in that sense it is going too fast and will stop it from going into free fall. Maybe it will get stuck between floors- maybe- but there will be an emergency button for that and 99.9% likely anyone riding will have a phone on them as well.

So I wouldn't worry too much. If it keeps making noises or gets worse, and nothing is done, then tell someone.
A friend of mine (recently deceased) told me of how, back when (before WW2), a plane hit the Empire State Building, severing all the cables of a lift. The lift fell, the brakes didn't work, but as the cables were cut, the cables beneath bunched up and acted as a spring! (sort of primative bungee jumping).

Tom
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I was injured by an elevator in a Swiss office building. Medical treatment was provided, but no repairs were made to the elevator. I now take the stairs in that building - better for my health - in more ways than one.
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Re: Elevator maintenance

Just re-read my last post, and don't want to scare the life out of you all.
My apartment here in Lausanne is on the top floor, and my car is in the underground garage.
I take the lift each and every day, almost without hesitation.
I'm simply saying that, if the lift is making weird noises, don't get into it, and just make sure, when the doors open automatically, that there is in fact a lift waiting in the shaft and not just a black hole.
It wasn't a very enjoyable experience, made worse by the lift company originally accusing me of forcing the doors..............as if!
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I got stuck in a lift once. 16th floor of an appartment block.....in Tehran. I saved my own life and that of the others in the lift with a Toblerone bar.
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In Switzerland, if it ain't really, really, really, really broke, they're not going to fix it. However, if it does turn out to be broken, then a full motion of various element will take place. The Hausmeister, will consult the agency, the agency thinks about it and set a date with the Hausmeister to look at the elevator. Unfortunately, the Hausmeister is on vacation that day and they have to reschedule for another date...which falls coincidentally on a national holiday. Well, since they're well known for planning, they'll finally find a date in roughly 3 months time. A representative of the agency comes by and meets with the Hausmeister and they'll ride the elevator up and down. If the representative of the Agency thinks it needs to be looked at, they'll ring up one of the 2 elevator companies in Switzerland. Now since they're busy with real projects somewhere in China, they're not going to bother with Swiss skyscrapers (4 stories) and arrange a meeting in roughly 3 months time. Now a representative from the elevator company, the Hausmeister and the agency meet during on the scheduled day. They'll ride the elevator up and down and since there are no real mechanics in Switzerland who can fix anything remotely mechanic, they'll come to an agreement, to put in a new elevator. The representative of the agency, will have a meeting with his boss whenever he gets back from vacation...but not right after, but roughly 2 weeks after his vacation, as the boss needs to get ease back into daily life. Therefore, add another month or so to the waiting time. During the meeting, they'll discuss procurement of the new elevator. The boss quickly agrees and thinks, that this will justify a rent increase. Now, the rental agency gets in a few offers from the elevator companies....this process takes another 3 weeks. The rental agency receives the offer and by that time it's Christmas and thus nothing can be done anyways. Some time in mid February, after Frau Flury, the elderly lady from the 4th floor gets stuck once again in the elevator on her scheduled wash day which by the way, she never missed for the last 40 years, files an official complaint and threatens to involve the Mietverband. The rental agency quickly accepts one of the offer (the one where one of the boss' brother in law works at). The elevator companies swiftly reacts by setting a starting date (3 months from reception of letter of intent). It takes them another 5 months to put in a new elevator, which by the way is smaller and slower than the old, noisy elevator..but hey, at least it wasn't put in by these damn Germans from across the border, who by the way were cheaper and wrote that they could set up a new elevator in 3 weeks time.

My question now, do you really want to complain about the crackling noise?
There are 36 elevator companies in Switzerland, so nyeh.




...21 of them owned by Coop I'm sure and the other 15 by Migros.
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...21 of them owned by Coop I'm sure and the other 15 by Migros.
does anyone else appreciate the black humour of getting onto Schindlers lifts?
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does anyone else appreciate the black humour of getting onto Schindlers lifts?
Not at all, if I remember correctly he saved many lives didnt he?
Anyway that was Schindlers liSt
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Is it the same company, I wonder? Schindler's wartime fortune was made in engineering.
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Is it the same company, I wonder? Schindler's wartime fortune was made in engineering.
I would guess so.........
Schindler Group
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Founded in Switzerland in 1874, the Schindler Group is a leading global provider of elevators, escalators and related services. Its innovative and environmentally-friendly access and transit-management systems make an important contribution to mobility in urban societies.




EDIT... I've just been reading about Oskar Schindler... there doesnt seem to be a connection between him and "The Schindler Group" ..who knows how common of a name Schindler may be.
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