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Moving to Basel Help Pls.....

I would be moving in December to Basel from Malaysia with my husband,
who has found work there. We would appreciate the insights of the
forum members in answering our questions.

1) Where in Basel can we generally find good two bed room apartments
(preferably something relatively new and built during the last 20
years) for under CHF2,500?

2) What are the 'hidden charges' that we should look out for when
renting an apartment?

3) Is it allowed to fit our own washing machine even if the apartment
has a common washing area? I am not particularly looking forward to
washing to a schedule.

4) What are the likely charges for hiring electricians to do the
lights should our apartment come without them?

5) How much does it cost to dispose the furniture we bring with us
should we decide not to take them back with us at the end of the
contract?

6) How viable is it to take public transport to the nearest German or
French city for grocery shopping?

7) What do they imply by 3.5 rooms is it bedrooms or it includes living room and kitchen too?

Thank you in advance
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I would be moving in December to Basel from Malaysia with my husband,
who has found work there. We would appreciate the insights of the
forum members in answering our questions.

1) Where in Basel can we generally find good two bed room apartments
(preferably something relatively new and built during the last 20
years) for under CHF2,500?

2) What are the 'hidden charges' that we should look out for when
renting an apartment?

3) Is it allowed to fit our own washing machine even if the apartment
has a common washing area? I am not particularly looking forward to
washing to a schedule.

4) What are the likely charges for hiring electricians to do the
lights should our apartment come without them?

5) How much does it cost to dispose the furniture we bring with us
should we decide not to take them back with us at the end of the
contract?

6) How viable is it to take public transport to the nearest German or
French city for grocery shopping?

7) What do they imply by 3.5 rooms is it bedrooms or it includes living room and kitchen too?

Thank you in advance

I'm very sorry that this may sound snippy, I really don't mean it to BUT really, all of the questions you've asked have been answered in other threads. Have you searched at all?

1. Apartments of various sizes and rental amounts are scattered throughout the city. Try immoscout.ch, homegate.ch and some other websites listed on the forum.

2. For me, the first surprise "fee" was that our laundry is coin operated. I'm not sure what others may have experienced, everything else we've paid seems like normal costs to me.

3. It depends upon where you rent. I am not permitted to have my own washing machine in my apartment, I know others who have not had any problems in theirs. If you rent someplace that doesn't already have fittings though, to have them installed costs an eye-watering amount.

4. From what I can tell, most apartments DO NOT come with lights, they tend to come with places for ceiling lights which you can purchase and install yourself AND with wall sockets linked to a light switch. I don't care for ceiling lights myself so do not know what it costs to hire electricians.

On the other hand, there are a few folks who offer "handyman" type services here on the forum if you check down among "job seekers" (whatever it's titled), some have been known to install lighting and ceiling fans among other things. I believe the costs generally are reasonable.

5. Sorry, this I have no idea. From my observations, many folks tend to sell their (used) furniture on if they decide to leave. I do believe that some have given info on where to dispose of such items though, a search for this should yield something.

6. I believe there are a few who do this, I am lucky in that I go with my mother-in-law in her car. I have noticed though that the spot we go to a specific Aldi (for example) has a bus (36) from Switzerland pretty close to the German border and not far on the other side, there is a bus stop not far away. I think it tends to be like that at each major border crossing.

7. Generally, a description of 3.5 rooms is describing 2 bedrooms and a living room as the three rooms. The .5 could be a small dining room, an extra largeness to the kitchen, implying comfortable dining space (as opposed to "breakfast nook"), a (very) small third bedroom suitable for a young child / study / storage space, OR it could mean that the living room or one of the bedrooms is extra large.

My place is 2.5, the .5 meaning my living room is a funky shape, making it almost seem like two separate rooms.
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Re: Moving to Basel Help Pls.....

hi Peg,

Thank you very much for your help. Yes I did search and was reading a lot before listing up my questions.

In basel what do u suggest are good residential locations, i've been searching in homegate, but i've no clue regarding locations.

So it means we could take our chances by bring washing machine, and if we are lucky we get to install them. How about fridge? do you advise to bring them or should we leave it here?

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Re: Moving to Basel Help Pls.....

These apartments are quite new and good looking.

http://www.e.privera.ch/platform/app...&Menu=2&Item=9
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hi Peg,

Thank you very much for your help. Yes I did search and was reading a lot before listing up my questions.

In basel what do u suggest are good residential locations, i've been searching in homegate, but i've no clue regarding locations.

So it means we could take our chances by bring washing machine, and if we are lucky we get to install them. How about fridge? do you advise to bring them or should we leave it here?

Thanks in advance
@Jaaa MY - Welcome to the forum and good luck with your move!

You might find this thread - Moving to Basel - which are the 'best areas'? - and the links contained there helpful regarding your question on "good residential locations".

A really thorough and in-depth search of the forum will provide you with a wealth of detailed information and helpful answers even to things you may not have considered as yet. Seriously.
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hi Peg,

Thank you very much for your help. Yes I did search and was reading a lot before listing up my questions.

In basel what do u suggest are good residential locations, i've been searching in homegate, but i've no clue regarding locations.

So it means we could take our chances by bring washing machine, and if we are lucky we get to install them. How about fridge? do you advise to bring them or should we leave it here?

Thanks in advance
Fridge will be standard; and if you're spending 2000 - 2500 CHF on rent, you may even get a W/D in your unit provided by the landlord. Plus the fit in the unit may not accomodate your machines.

My building has a washroom with a card that has to go into the wall to make the machines work, then you get billed for your usage. I had to write a letter to the landlord asking for permission to have a W/D in the unit and I had to buy them of course, and they had to fit, not be loud or a nuissance, etc.

As for the neighborhoods, what part of town will you be working in? how important is it to be close to shopping? social scenes? center? do you want to be able to drive and park to carry your groceries home? Do you want to be in the city or in the suburbs or in the country?
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Re: Moving to Basel Help Pls.....

hi Kein,

Thank you for ur reply.

We are bit reluctant about leaving our washing machine here as the co'y is paying us to move everything from here. But if we find a unit with W/D then spare one is going to take up space and disposal would be difficult too.

In a worst situation, if we are to buy W/D and install them how much would it cost ? (roughly) Should I be looking for newly built units? is it where u get space to fit up W/D? if so, I should look for apartments built after which year? roughly

What's ur advise on bring my microwave?

well my hubby's office will be in aseanplatz (sorry for misspelling) anywhere in the range of 20 minutes by tram should be ok. We have no plans of buying car. so planing to do the groceries and travel back in tram. any recommendations on location?

Thank you again
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I went past these at the weekend, on the outskirts of Basel.
http://www.skypark-erstklassig-wohne...ise/preise.php

There are still a couple for rent and they looked great. The only problems are (1) it's not near the centre at all and (2) although 3.5 room one has three large balconies, from what I can tell each balcony simply overlooks another identical apartment. Pity.
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It is a bit hard to say what areas are best. Aeschenplatz is fairly central, there is a major tram hub there, so there is a lot of choice.

When I first got here, I relied upon my hubby (who is from Basel) to say where we should or shouldn't live... now that I've been here longer, there are areas of town I like better, and they're not necessarily the same as what he likes.

I live not far from Kannenfeld Park, the street I live on leads down to an area that used to be VERY industrial but is currently going through some revitalization builds and renovations. I like our area fine, Kannefeldplatz is another major transport hub so I can get downtown or across town quite easily (and I can wave in the general direction of where adrianlondon lives on my way by ).


If money weren't an issue AND I were moving someplace now after having been here a while and looked around, I'd probably move to Muttenz (which I think is Basel-Land) or to Reihen. They're each probably 15min tram out of downtown. The space-for-money factor of living quarters there seems to be a bit better, although the trade-off is that if worst comes to worst, I can easily (probably 30min) walk downtown from where I am now.

Being a suburban American gal though, I am feeling the pinch of a lack of space these days.
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hi Adrian,

This of course looks great, how long does it take to travel to Aeschenplatz from here. I really like them. Thank you.

Does it come with washer and dryer? hw about microwave oven?

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hi Peg,

Thank you very much, Now i've an idea about locations to look out for.

one quick question, if i go for recently built apartments i.e. after 2000, can I assume it will be equipped with washer, dryer, fridge and microwave?

Thank you very much for your help.
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hi Adrian,

This of course looks great, how long does it take to travel to Aeschenplatz from here. I really like them. Thank you.

Does it come with washer and dryer? hw about microwave oven?

Thank you
I'm not an estate agent, I've no idea what's inside. My guess would be "communal washing room", "yes" and "no".

It will take around 30-45 minutes to get to the centre of town via bus and tram.

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hi Peg,

Thank you very much, Now i've an idea about locations to look out for.

one quick question, if i go for recently built apartments i.e. after 2000, can I assume it will be equipped with washer, dryer, fridge and microwave?

Thank you very much for your help.

In most cases, you can count on them to include a fridge but NOT a microwave. Most cases also, there will be "waschküche" (wash room aka laundry room) in the basement. The link Adrian provided says that those apartments come with keller space (cellar) and laundry room in the "UG" or "untergeschloss" which is basement.

Taking a quick peek at homegate for apartments 3 - 4 rooms in Riehen, I see one that is described so:

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Die charmante 4-Zimmeraltbauwohnung verfügt über folgende Ausstattung:
grosse Einbauküche mit Geschirrwaschmaschine und Glaskeramikkochfeld
sehr schöne Parkett- und Plattenböden
neues Bad/WC + Dusche mit Fenster
sep. WC
Waschmaschine/Tumbler in der Wohnung
sep. Abstellraum
Keller- und Estrichabteil
1 normaler + 1 grosser Balkon
ein Parkplatz für Fr. 45.00
My German isn't perfect but from that description it has a large kitchen (grosse Einbauküche) which was installed as part of renovations, with a dishwasher and a glass-ceramic stove top.
It has mixed (very nice apparently, "sehr schöne") flooring, some tile (plattenböden) and some wood parquet.
It has a new bathroom ("wc" you can think of as water closet aka toilet) with shower and a separate "wc".
It also has a washing machine (not so different ) and dryer (tumbler) in the apartment.
Hubby says "abstellraum" is a storage room / tool shed, along with Cellar and attic space (estrichabteil) available.
A normal and a large balcony.
Also, a parking space available for additional 45chf per month.


So, in your looking, you'll want to pay attention to what it says about "waschküche" - whether it says something about UG or "in der wonung."

When I was peeking at availabilities way back when, I had the search sites open in one tab and either "babelfish" or google translate open in another. It isn't the most efficient way, but it was less frustrating for me than constantly asking my hubby, and over time certain words become familiar.
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I'm not an estate agent, I've no idea what's inside. My guess would be "communal washing room", "yes" and "no".

It will take around 30-45 minutes to get to the centre of town via bus and tram.
Thank you, Sorry I was under the impression you were living there. If I want to find an apartment which has washer and dryer in the unit, where should I look for? what type should I be searching?

Not looking forward to using common laundry.

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In most cases, you can count on them to include a fridge but NOT a microwave. Most cases also, there will be "waschküche" (wash room aka laundry room) in the basement. The link Adrian provided says that those apartments come with keller space (cellar) and laundry room in the "UG" or "untergeschloss" which is basement.

Taking a quick peek at homegate for apartments 3 - 4 rooms in Riehen, I see one that is described so:

My German isn't perfect but from that description it has a large kitchen (grosse Einbauküche) which was installed as part of renovations, with a dishwasher and a glass-ceramic stove top.
It has mixed (very nice apparently, "sehr schöne") flooring, some tile (plattenböden) and some wood parquet.
It has a new bathroom ("wc" you can think of as water closet aka toilet) with shower and a separate "wc".
It also has a washing machine (not so different ) and dryer (tumbler) in the apartment.
Hubby says "abstellraum" is a storage room / tool shed, along with Cellar and attic space (estrichabteil) available.
A normal and a large balcony.
Also, a parking space available for additional 45chf per month.


So, in your looking, you'll want to pay attention to what it says about "waschküche" - whether it says something about UG or "in der wonung."

When I was peeking at availabilities way back when, I had the search sites open in one tab and either "babelfish" or google translate open in another. It isn't the most efficient way, but it was less frustrating for me than constantly asking my hubby, and over time certain words become familiar.

Hi Peg, Thank you so much, u've been extreamly helpful. I'm so grateful for your help.

ok then I need to look for "waschküche in der wonung" - meaning washer inside the unit of apartment right? (not in common laundry room) thank u so much again. u never know how helpful u've been.

Should i be looking for newly built apartments? if so roughly after which year? (To get washer in the unit)
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Not necessarily. I lived in an apartment where the building was built in the 1800's. It hadn't been renovated since the 60's at least and it had it's own washer and dryer.

You really need to do as Peg suggested and look for adverts which state "Waschküche in der Wohnung".

Are your husband's company providing a relocation assistant? If so, he should let them know your requirements and they can do the search for you.
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Newer apartments are more likely to have the fittings you are after, but also look at renovated apartments - often the ad will have a date given for the last renovation. The renovations in my apartment make it difficult to tell that it is older than 10 years.

In Basel, for a budget 0f 2599chf, you will be able to find something very nice, and if you take your time, you will definitely find one with a fitted in fridge, laundry, dishwasher.

IF you do find that you have brought over stuff that you don't need, then generally there are lockable, storage cellers ( sometimes attics) for each tenant. AS you have probably seen on this foru, there is a market for second hand items, so you would eventually be able to sell ( but cheaply) or give away excess goods. THat would mean that hopefully you would not end up paying for someone to take away things when you leave.

MUttenz has been suggested as a place to live - be aware that although prices are cheaper, it isa village outside Basel. The commute can easily be done by tram 14 or the train to the central Basel station, but I found that less convenient than living in town. Riehen is a nice are, but also on the edge of Basel. I saw a lovley apartment there, but again decided that I would prefer to live closer in. PRobably the thing to look at in both those cases ( and any other) is how long it takes to walk to the nearest transport link and decide if you are happy with that. "NIce" housing tends to be reasonably scattered throughout the city. Personally, I do not like the area below Kannenfield (sorry, Peg) as it seems to be still a bit run down, and not so great with local facilities, good views etc - but this is on a Basel scale only. On a world scale, there are no bad areas to live in, and nothing is really far from anywhere else.

Yes, you can easily get to both Germany and to France, for shopping. The Sat moirning market at St Loius seems to be a good place to meet up with other Basel folk - I always bump into people I know. YOu can get there by bus, by tram ( with a short walk added) or by biking ( 12 minutes from my place)
You actually do have another option with housing - living on the French side of the border. This is quite common amongst expats - I could be saving half my rent money for a similar size place if I was living in one of the Fr villages that literally border onto Basel. THe taxes etc work out the same, the downside is dealing with Fr redtape instead of Swiss redtape ( more likely to have help from colleagues on the Swiss side of the border.)

Do you know any other Malaysians in Basel? If not, would you like me to try to put you in touch with a Malaysain family that I know?

MIcrowave: I bought a new one here for under 100chf. At times, I have seen them for 69chf.
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Personally, I do not like the area below Kannenfield (sorry, Peg) as it seems to be still a bit run down, and not so great with local facilities, good views etc - but this is on a Basel scale only. On a world scale, there are no bad areas to live in, and nothing is really far from anywhere else.
S'ok Biff, although they are making improvements nearby, the stuff not improved upon does look pretty bad. Of the areas I dragged hubby when we were scoping apartment situations, this was not my first choice, but for me, it was as due to the fact that his mother lives just a few blocks from us as any other reason.

I'm trying to remember where I liked so much when I was looking, but a lot was going on then, so memories are a bit muddy. Meanwhile, since then, if I were looking to stay in town, I'd look around Schützenmattpark.

As you said, Riehen is at the edge of town, that's part of what I like about it, but it's not a bad ride to get into middle-Basel toward Aeschenplatz. My brother-in-law and his family live in that area, their place is quite spacious and some of the other places I've seen there are not only spacious but have yards (er, "gardens") as well.
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