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New Furniture

Just thought i would put a quick note on the forum regarding a container of furniture i am importing into Switzerland.

I have recently bought a 3 bedroom apartment in Leukerbad and which is just about to be finished. When i was in Switzerland last i went to a furniture store and spec'd the bare essentials. The total came to a staggering USD 22K! I was expecting to spend another 5 or the other bits like stereos and tv's etc.

I currently live and work in Shanghai and so i investigated the possibility of buying the furniture in China and exporting it to Switzerland. I have just ordered the entire lot and it has come to approximately USD 8K! All the furniture is custom ordered and can be made from most types of wood, even endangered species (dare i say it).

I have a 20' container leaving Shanghai in the middle to end of October, arriving in Geneva / Leukerbad 4 weeks later. I have used about 15 to 20CBM and so at the moment i am shipping about 10CBM of Chinese fresh air. Does anybody want any furniture or anything (non electrical) and of course no contraband! I can vouch for the quality of this furniture as well as the workmanship!

I can send pictures of furniture already made if required. If you really have something you want then you can give the me/the shop a picture and in true chinese fashion they will copy it 100%.

I have also just paid 15000RMB for a 2 piece leather sofa (italian standard). This is about 2000USD! Will send pictures if required.

And if anyone wants some of that fresh China air, then it is also for sale! You never know, there maybe someone here with a fetish!

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Old 26.09.2007, 08:07
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Just out of curiosity, which relo company is doing your shipment? Not Crown I hope! Let me know and I can spill some beans, having moved from SH myself.
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Errr...... YES! Prey tell! I am just about to settle the invoice! You weren't stung on insurance where you? Mine was more than the crown fee!

they quoted my USD 750 / CBM from SHG to Switzerland. Organizing it my self i am closer to 130!
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Re: New Furniture

Oh, it had nothing to do with insurance (our company paid for that)...it was the service from the word go! First, their estimate person came to check out how much stuff we had, figured it would be about 28cbm, so we figured ok, it falls under our 30cbm (provided free by the company) limit. Then, we removed/sold some items (including Piano, two beds and a huge bookshelf), so he came back to check, and said, you are well within the limit.....then, on the day of the packing, they made a big fuss that it was close to 35cbm when we hadn't added more than 2 suitcases worth of things!!!

They came twice, once to pick the air shipment, and again a few days later for the sea shipment. For the air shipment, I had pointed to one box which was the most important, then they began packing other essentials...when they finished, they said, you still have enough for two more boxes, so what should we pack...I ofcourse, put more stuff in, then, when it was time for them to go, they say, oh, its over the limit, so can you remove a few boxes!!! And they had already left the most important box out..my husband had to physically measure the boxes to show him that everything was under the air shipment limit. I was furious, also because the attitude of their supervisor was macho man-meets God's gift to the removal industry. He was rude to me, my husband and had the nerve to tell my maid off for giving him orange juice instead of the coke he wanted. Then , he packed the LCD tv (no cushioning for the screen) opposite a suitcase...luckily hubby saw him. As they were packing , I wanted to get the paperwork sorted, but he just walks off, saying I will do it later. Pathetic!

Later that day, they accompanied hubby to the furniture factory where they were to pick up a few tables...they travel 1.5 hours to get there, and then say that they don't have enough packing materials...then, the supervisor almost manhandles the factory employee for not helping his people pack...we know the owner of the factory and hubby asked her to give this moron a piece of her mind, which I'm glad she did! Needless to say, we told Crown, that if this supervisor turns up again, he will not be allowed entry to our home.

AS for the sea shipment, I don't know what kind of an estimator it was ( he was non-chinese, by the way) who got the idea wrong by 7cbm!! After they packed everything (and I had to help them stack some things because they were packing non-breakables so loosely and wasting space), they said this is over your limit, so pay more.....we told them that their own estimator said it was well under the limit, so go talk to him...after much rubbish, my husband told them straight: ok, if you think its over, bring everything back upstairs, unpack it and we will prioritise what can be sent...they just took the stuff and said the office will deal with it....in the meantime, the estimator/our coordinator would not answer our phonecalls...finally, my husband just said, we are not paying a single RMB more, as it is, they were charging the company 100,000RMB for everything, and they still wanted more..I mean, it wasn't our money, but that doesn't mean it should be wasted. After that, they failed to load our container onto a vessel for ages, which resulted in our shipment being delayed for weeks due to their fault....all in all, it was a horrible horrible experience and caused us much grief. Crown in Swiss was great though, and even provided us temporary basic furniture because of the delay on their part....

I hope you don't/didn't have to go through all that...we escalated the matter ofcourse, and I certainly won't be recommending Crown China to anyone.

Let me know how it went for you! Safe trip over!
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I currently live and work in Shanghai and so i investigated the possibility of buying the furniture in China and exporting it to Switzerland. I have just ordered the entire lot and it has come to approximately USD 8K! All the furniture is custom ordered and can be made from most types of wood, even endangered species (dare i say it).
Another reason I won't buy things made in China.

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I can send pictures of furniture already made if required. If you really have something you want then you can give the me/the shop a picture and in true chinese fashion they will copy it 100%.
Another reason I won't buy things made in China.
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Another reason I won't buy things made in China.
hmmm, even though it the product (say electronics/plastics) you buy might not say "made in china", I can guarantee that a large part of the subcomponents are. I too try to avoid buying Chinese, but regrettably not being too successful, it's as if everything is made there these days !
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hmmm, even though it the product (say electronics/plastics) you buy might not say "made in china", I can guarantee that a large part of the subcomponents are. I too try to avoid buying Chinese, but regrettably not being too successful, it's as if everything is made there these days !
I completely agree with you. It's almost impossible to not buy things made in China. I should have said "I TRY"... Even the other day, I ran down to the Denner as I didn't have an garlic. When I got home I noticed the tag said "MADE IN CHINA". I almost had a heart attack. Do we need to import GARLIC from China??
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Another reason I won't buy things made in China.
The funniest (or possibly even hardest) thing to explain to a Chinese Farmer is Organic produce! Why would you want to buy fruit which is covered in bugs, half the size or the regular stuff and tastes like... %^$&^%$! Oh yeah, and is about 3 times the price!

Makes sense huh?

And as for global warming..................

My next post is going to be about religion!

So i guess there are no takers on rain forest wardrobe?
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I hope you don't/didn't have to go through all that...we escalated the matter ofcourse, and I certainly won't be recommending Crown China to anyone.
To be honest i have used crown for the last 5 years, i have moved probably close to 5 times with them! And again, dare i say it i am probably dealing with your friend here in Shanghai, no names but- American?

No gripes with them as yet other than the price! Since this has always been on the company i never really paid too much attention (up until now).

My shipment to Switzerland i am doing myself directly with a shipping company. I am having the shops pack up the furniture and deliver it to the container port. Watch this space...... It may all fall flat! We shall see.
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Re: New Furniture

Hi Will,
Has ur furniture arrived yet. Could you please send me the photos as I am looking for stuff (esp chinese..oriental) fr our apt. Could you pls send them with prices as well? My email is dchucksster@gmail.com
Many thanks.
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Why dont you just send them a txt msg ? Oh you have.

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Has ur furniture arrived yet. Could you please send me the photos as I am looking for stuff (esp chinese..oriental) fr our apt. Could you pls send them with prices as well? My email is dchucksster@gmail.com
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Re: New Furniture

Sorry if I have posted wrongly....am new to this forum. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Cheers.
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Re: New Furniture

I am planning a relocation from Shanghai to Switzerland myself and would be intersted in how you went with the private arrangement and any other advice you might have.

Also interested in the furniture. I visited "Master Enterprises Furniture" today where Mr.Mao seems to have some pretty cool stuff. Also want to get some antique Chinese charis, cabinets etc. Any reccommendations you have would be welcomed
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Dear Will,

One day you will understand why you pay 22k here as opposed to 8k in China. You can probably buy for 8 k what you need in Ikea or similar, however you cannot expect the quality to be the same as if you spent 22k. Your furniture will split, warp and deform as the humidity and temperatures are different here... If you want a Mercedes, buy one, don't think by buying a Fiat Panda you are getting same build quality.
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Your furniture will split, warp and deform as the humidity and temperatures are different here...
I have a couple of antique (1920s) Chinese camphor wood chests and since I moved here from Hong Kong they have developed several rather annoying cracks, one of the chests is pretty much beyond repair. They clearly miss Hong Kong's humidity a lot more than I do. My point being, this can happen to quality furniture as well, not just cheap modern-day copies. Much of it depends on your choice of wood. Beware of this when moving from humid to dry climates.
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Re: New Furniture

Read most of the reply. I wish to enquire about the shipment transfer from port to your house. As there is no port/dry port in switzerland and the only fast international port is Antwerp, Belgium. How did you mange to transport your shipment, port handling and custom clearence ? Did you pay a hefty some for these services ? Would you please let us know the company you employed and their fees ?
Thanks in advance for your help as I am also planinng to ship wooden furniture.
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Re: New Furniture

Will,

Could you send photo's please.

am moving to Basel and have an entire apartment to furnish but do not want to buy from Ikea.

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Re: New Furniture

Hi John

Have a look here. All the wooden furniture apart from the kitchen is from China.

www.leukerbad-ambassador.com

Will
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I visited a furniture store in Wallis some weeks ago since we are looking for a new sofa for our holiday home in verbier, we were looking for a two to three seater chesterfield sofa in cream leather and friend recommended a store there next to Sion, but to my amazement the prices are over the top! 4000chf and I was quoted and not event offered any discounts when asked, I could buy a simular one in the UK for 1500chf!

So one day surfing on the internet I saw the very same manufactured furniture from the store we visited and was made in china 700chf! talk about over the top markups from the store.
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I, but to my amazement the prices are over the top! 4000chf and I was quoted and not event offered any discounts when asked, I could buy a simular one in the UK for 1500chf!
We were thinking of stocking up on new furniture in the UK before our move (we need a household full) as we had heard that it was quite pricey in CH. Would we have to pay duty on that if it was obviously new?
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