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Actually it isn't the same at all. You are trying to compare an inanimate object to a living, breathing creature. Have you ever heard of lock-jaw? Any dog has the ability to lock...his...jaw... and if/when does, he won't release until there is no movement left in whatever he locked on to. Sorry, but it is true. Certain dogs, terriers for example, were originally bread as ratters and other vermin-killers and they do exactly as I have just described. They are small dogs but much more fierce than any large dog bread for other purposes.

The saying: "it isn't the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" isn't around for nothing...

Lock Jaw is an urban legend, no dog can 'lock' there jaws
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Old 11.10.2011, 11:53
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"I stand corrected". Physically the jaw can't lock. But the saying is still used for a reason. And my point is still the same.

sorry, no it isn't, its total bollocks and one of the reasons why so many ill informed people persecute breeds of dogs for no valid reason.

We have a bull terrier and a german shepherd and the amount of rubbish people spout about both breeds is unbelievable, and surprise surprise its always from people who have never had any contact with either breed let alone actually owned a dog.
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sorry, no it isn't, its total bollocks and one of the reasons why so many ill informed people persecute breeds of dogs for no valid reason.

We have a bull terrier and a german shepherd and the amount of rubbish people spout about both breeds is unbelievable, and surprise surprise its always from people who have never had any contact with either breed let alone actually owned a dog.
That is not what I am trying to do at all. In fact, you missed my point completely. I was purely arguing the point above where NOTALLTHERE said that the size of the dog mattered. In fact it doesn't. And if you read the rest of what I wrote, you will see that. Just because traditionally a dog was bread for something doesn't actually say much about an individual dog and his temperament. Again, nurture over nature. There is no reason to make something out of nothing...
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That is not what I am trying to do at all. In fact, you missed my point completely. I was purely arguing the point above where NOTALLTHERE said that the size of the dog mattered. In fact it doesn't. And if you read the rest of what I wrote, you will see that. Just because traditionally a dog was bread for something doesn't actually say much about an individual dog and his temperament. Again, nurture over nature.

No your still spouting rubbish


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Actually it isn't the same at all. You are trying to compare an inanimate object to a living, breathing creature. Certain dogs, terriers for example, were originally bread as ratters and other vermin-killers and they will "lock onto" a critical artery of an animal and won't release until it stops moving. They are small dogs but much more fierce than any large dog bread for other purposes.
Still using the 'lock on' for example, and then implying that because a dog was bred to kill vermin it somehow translates that they are more dangerous to humans.

Its nice to see you think dogs have intricate anatomical knowledge of vermin, personally I've never seen any of our dogs go for main arteries, they normal just catch the mouse and crush it, maybe I should train them more.
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And editing you posts to change there meaning isn't on
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Still using the 'lock on' for example, and then implying that because a dog was bred to kill vermin it somehow translates that they are more dangerous to humans.

Its nice to see you think dogs have intricate anatomical knowledge of vermin, personally I've never seen any of our dogs go for main arteries, they normal just catch the mouse and crush it, maybe I should train them more.
(grabbing popcorn)

If you have never seen a dog "lock onto" prey, then good for you. I have...many times. It is just what dogs do when they are hunting or protecting themselves. It is what animals do in these situations. Further, the only time an animal goes for a main artery is when it is smaller than its prey. So in the case of dog vs a mouse, obviously, this would not be the case.

And when did I say it translated to humans? wait for it... I didn't.

I am a big dog lover of all breeds. For you to insinuate otherwise is ridiculous. pure and simple. I have had dogs all my life and have ALWAYS said that the dog turns out exactly how the owner wants it to.

You obviously have a sore spot here and it wasn't caused by me--so please, take it out somewhere else.

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Old 11.10.2011, 12:22
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You obviously have a sore spot here and it wasn't caused by me--so please, take it out somewhere else.

(popcorn is gone)
No, I have a sore spot for people posting urban legends about lock jaw as being some sort of fact, thus proving your knowledge about dogs.

you also say they are "more fierce than any large dog bred for other purposes" again, based on what exactly??

ETA seriously, you going to groan all my posts now? ffs how childish????
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sorry, no it isn't, its total bollocks and one of the reasons why so many ill informed people persecute breeds of dogs for no valid reason.

We have a bull terrier and a german shepherd and the amount of rubbish people spout about both breeds is unbelievable, and surprise surprise its always from people who have never had any contact with either breed let alone actually owned a dog.
Onto a slightly different topic...

You wouldn't happen to have a pic of your Bull Terrier? My wife has a huge soft spot for those guys/girls!
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Re: Problem with neighbour's dangerous dogs

As a couple of people have mentioned, staffies are strong and courageous but not predisposed to aggression. If they have been well looked after they're really unlikely to cause you any problems. Your concerns are totally understandable - aggressive dogs are super dangerous - but staffies are really unlikely to cause you any harm.
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Old 11.10.2011, 12:31
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Onto a slightly different topic...

You wouldn't happen to have a pic of your Bull Terrier? My wife has a huge soft spot for those guys/girls!

our dangerous dogs


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Old 11.10.2011, 12:31
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Certain dogs, terriers for example, were originally bread as ratters and other vermin-killers and they will "lock onto" a critical artery of an animal and won't release until it stops moving. They are small dogs but much more fierce than any large dog bread for other purposes.

The saying: "it isn't the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" isn't around for nothing...
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Its nice to see you think dogs have intricate anatomical knowledge of vermin, personally I've never seen any of our dogs go for main arteries, they normal just catch the mouse and crush it, maybe I should train them more.
Children, children..now now!

As a owner of a terrier originally bred for the exact same purpose, I've seen my little one in action. Fascinating to watch yet gross at the same time.

Sees mouse, cue prey instinct and chase. Managed to capture wriggling mouse in its mouth and gives it a good hard shake to disorientate the mouse.

Lets it go, pounces on it again and gives it another good hard shake/fling. Mouse flies in the air, falls onto ground, motionless. Brings dead/knocked out mouse proudly to disgusted owner. My little killing machine. I wish I could have used Listerine to wash out his mouth after.

Moral of the story: regardless of breed, all dogs were originally bred for a purpose - herding, hunting, retrieving etc. What is similar in all of them is the prey instinct.

If there is anything that can trigger that, is sudden movements, screaming and running away. Sorry but in my experience, children are very prone to that. The best way for children to deal with dogs initially is to learn how to contain their enthusiasm and learn the rule of: No touch, no talk, no EYE CONTACT. It gives the dogs the opportunity to smell you and suss you out in a non-threatening way (in their eyes).

Venice, you are right to be concerned about the welfare of your kids. But I am in the "dont be hysterical" camp. Remember to draw the line between concern and paranoia. A dog isnt mean just because it looks mean. Frau Melloncollie is spot on with "the deed, not the breed". One piece of advice I can give you is to arrange heavy supervised "play-dates" for your children and the dogs.

Make sure you set ground rules for the kids prior to the meeting: no screaming, no sudden movements etc. Its good practice for them for interaction with ALL dogs in the future. Let the dogs get used to your kids and vice versa. Good luck.
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Actually it isn't the same at all.
I didn't say that it was the same, I said it's "a bit like". Don't stretch the analogy too far. Size may not be only factor in considering whether a dog has the capability to kill, but to say it isn't a factor at all seems a bit silly to me.
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I didn't say that it was the same, I said it's "a bit like". Don't stretch the analogy too far. Size may not be only factor in considering whether a dog has the capability to kill, but to say it isn't a factor at all seems a bit silly to me.
I perfectly agree with you and I don't know how how what you're saying could be interpreted in any other way - it's pure common sense.
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Re: Problem with neighbour's dangerous dogs

Ok couldn't resist

Latest pics of ours

Venice, is this what the dogs look like?

Btw, His lip is stuck on the pillow...

And, I think he is still sleeping off a heavy night, always was a sucker for a good merlot
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I don't like dogs as a species*... but individuals like that make me Hang on... one of those bottles looks empty. No wonder he's a bit sleepy.

* Admittedly usually because of bad owners
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You mean that an angry untrained mistreated chihuahua is as dangerous as an angry untrained mistreated rottweiller? While both might have the capacity and will to kill, the latter surely is far more likely to be able to achieve their desire. Bit like a truck is more likely to kill you if it hits you than a smart car.
You mean a truck will make you more deader then a Smart car can?
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well I think it is more your fear for the dogs breed than anything. They are not fighting dogs as you claim. A fighting dog is raised by its owner to be that way. my little chihuahua snaps at people also when he first meets them, that doesnt make him a fighting dog.

Id just inform your children and maybe meet a few times with the owner to have you and the kids meet with the dogs in a controlled environment. That way both you and the dogs get to know eachother. this will reduce the risk dramatically imho.

the last thing you want to do is have his dogs taken away which may hurt him more than the dogs would hurt anyone. These breeds can many times be 100 x more mellow than a lab .

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if you watch the other vids of him it is pretty funny
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Re: Problem with neighbour's dangerous dogs

very sweet, could be. but hard to say, as I never see them in such a relaxed position
and "mine" are one black one white and look both much scarier than yours.
but I agree that when I see them play and fussing around in the garden from my window they almost look cuddly...

one thing the owner said to warn my children was that they shouldn't "play" even with the friendlier one because he tends to bite "involuntarily" while playing. makes sense to me but sounds less than reassuring somehow...

I am just very lucky that my kids haven't been contaminated by my fears adn tehy show me that they are not afraid. so I have a good chance (better than in my own case) that they would indeed react in a correct way and not panicking.
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our dangerous dogs


the Schäfer I may be able to stand, but the other mutant hound from hell doesnt need three heads to scare the life out of me.
But that is just me, I still have scars on my head from being eaten alive as a small child by my uncles baskervillain mutt.
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