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Hi there. I'm a new member to this forum. But I've been a frequent visitor for a while.

I came to Switzerland as a student last year. I stayed in a WOKO student house in Zurich. All went well until this September when I need to move out to make room for new students.

I spent months searching for new places. It was a nightmare needless to mention, especially when I happen to be a foreigner and an Asian... luckily before 1 September I found a nice Swiss family who are willing to rent me a spare room in their apartment. The family is really nice and have lived in Asia for many years.

Dramatically, I later found out I became allergic to the family's pets. They have a cat and a dog. I didn't know I would be allergic because I never stayed with pets before.

So in the beginning of October, I started looking for new places. And the nightmare came back again only to be much stronger. Because of the allergy, I would need a place urgently. Also because I am starting my thesis project, I just can't go to visit WG and apartments everyday after class.

But I still tried harder than ever, in hope that I could find something. After visiting no less than 20 places, here is what I've come across so far. Student housings are always fully booked even one year ahead. WGs never work, basically no Swiss, young or old prefers me over 20 other desirable Swiss/EU applicants. Apartments by agencies never work, companies don't give offer to foreigners usually, and forget about student with no income. Apartments by private persons worth a try. I tried two so far, one basically ignored me. The other one is the closest I got so far. The previous tenant talked to the landlord to recommend me. I also got the admin in my department, who is Swiss, to call the landlord personally to explain the situation (being allergic and really need to move). And I heard back from the landlord that she thought I had the highest chance because of the two recommendations. I also sent her my CV, financial proof, proof of no debt. And today, about one week later, I called her again, and she said the apartment has been given to someone else. And I directly asked why but she didn't reply. (am I allowed to be at least a little angry??)

To this point, after nearly one month of searching, I am really tired of all this ...

It wasn't cheap to come to this country. Yet life has never been this hard for me as it is now. I have to sleep in the lab when the allergy gets too bad. I even tried wearing masks to go to sleep at home...

I've expected the discrimination in lodging/rental market. But now I really think some people are just beyond the line of simple prejudice.

All I'm asking for is someone could see I am suffering, and put aside his/her "regular" judgment system for once, turn down some desirable Swiss who will get another offer easily, and accept me... Apparently that's only gonna happen in a fairytale. My suffering has to go on.

So I really like to know, is there a way out? I fantasizing throwing down 2000 francs a month to live in a serviced apartment so I don't have to deal with the discrimination and all... but unfortunately I can't afford that, or in other words, since I'm using my parents money here, I would rather go through the suffer than making that impulsive choice.

School at ETH isn't relaxing, which is good in some sense since I would rather sleep in the lab anyway these days.
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Have you thought about desensitizing to allergies ? Treatments , change of bedding etc ? If you can get control of your allergy, it might open up more possibilities.
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Good luck in finding somewhere to live. Maybe someone on the EF will offer you a spare room if things get desperate
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Have you looked for solutions at UZH Market Place ?

http://www.marktplatz.uzh.ch/wohnungen/
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Have you thought about desensitizing to allergies ? Treatments , change of bedding etc ? If you can get control of your allergy, it might open up more possibilities.
Thanks for the reply. but basically the whole apartment has carpet so changing the bedding has little effect. and i really like to avoid treatment for the long run.
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Have you looked for solutions at UZH Market Place ?

http://www.marktplatz.uzh.ch/wohnungen/
thanks. but believe me that's almost my browser homepage, together with eth wohnen, and woko bulletin board. i don't use homegate because there are just too many scams.
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I really feel for you. It might help to know a bit more about you- in the hope somebody here might be able to help. Are you fe/male for instance?
Would you be prepared to help with occasional babysitting, etc, in exchange for your room or part 'payment'?

Why not discuss this with the family where you are currently staying? They may well have friends without pets who might be prepared to help - if they do the searching and give you a good reference, it might cut corners. If they are local people they might know 100s of people- they could advertise for you at the local shops (incl Migros and Coop and small retailers) - this won't be a risk as they could sift possible respondents. Are you religious at all? If your Church is represented in the area, perhaps you could go and see the Vicar/Imam, whoever- and ask for advice and support- and to ask if they could make enquiries with the community. Ask your professors, assistants, administrative staff, etc. And put an advert here on EF- in the accommodation section. Good luck. (I live on the other side of the country and have a dog and a cat, so not much use to you, sorry).
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Re: I throw all my anger and frustration here, in exchange for some wise suggestions

Sorry to hear that you are having a rough time. All i can offer is: set your jaw, clench your a55 and use your head to butt through the wall.
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Re: I throw all my anger and frustration here, in exchange for some wise suggestions

Sounds rough - sorry to hear about your troubles. They only suggestion I have is to look a bit outside Zurich as well and be prepared to commute in and out every day. You may not find something fully furnished then but there are some small apartments out there at reasonable prices. Good luck!
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Re: I throw all my anger and frustration here, in exchange for some wise suggestions

Sorry to hear what have u been gone thru.
In my company there are many temps and trainees, maybe I can ask some of them that you can share with ?
Can you tell me what is your max to rent per month? and does it have to be in city ZH? Because a bit outside of ZH may bring you more options perhaps?
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I really feel for you. It might help to know a bit more about you- in the hope somebody here might be able to help. Are you fe/male for instance?
Would you be prepared to help with occasional babysitting, etc, in exchange for your room or part 'payment'?

Why not discuss this with the family where you are currently staying? They may well have friends without pets who might be prepared to help - if they do the searching and give you a good reference, it might cut corners. If they are local people they might know 100s of people- they could advertise for you at the local shops (incl Migros and Coop and small retailers) - this won't be a risk as they could sift possible respondents. Are you religious at all? If your Church is represented in the area, perhaps you could go and see the Vicar/Imam, whoever- and ask for advice and support- and to ask if they could make enquiries with the community. Ask your professors, assistants, administrative staff, etc. And put an advert here on EF- in the accommodation section. Good luck. (I live on the other side of the country and have a dog and a cat, so not much use to you, sorry).
Thanks Odile! that's some great advice.

So I'm a male, 24 y/o (turning 25 in about 1 month). I study neuro-informatics, which is some electronics, informatics, and some neuroscience. I'm originally from China, have lived in Singapore and Sweden before coming here.

I'm afraid I can't do babysitting. Not because I'm not willing to, but I guess most of the time I would be at school. I do like to take care of children though if I am free from the endless school work. I've been student tutors before, teching physics and chinese language.

If anyone here want to know more, feel free to ask me.
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Sorry to hear what have u been gone thru.
In my company there are many temps and trainees, maybe I can ask some of them that you can share with ?
Can you tell me what is your max to rent per month? and does it have to be in city ZH? Because a bit outside of ZH may bring you more options perhaps?
I appreciate your kind help. The max I can afford is around 1000. I would say if the commute is still convenient, it doesn't matter to be a little further out of the city.
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The word 'babysitting' is often used wrongly on Forums. A babysitter should just occasionally look after children (usually not babies actually) for an evening or even an afternoon at week-ends so that parents can go out to the cinema, have a meal out or a bit of 'us' time without the kids.

We lived near a university campus where we lived in UK, and we had several lodgers who paid low rent in exchange for occasional help with the garden and the kids. Worked well for all. Maybe you could offer to help with homework for a teenager in your specialist subjects.
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I appreciate your kind help. The max I can afford is around 1000. I would say if the commute is still convenient, it doesn't matter to be a little further out of the city.

Ok then I will look around within my company, dont give up. I will pm you if something comes up. I hope it will be solved very soon.
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In the short-term, have you tried any allergy medicines? My mom has a cat and I'm completely allergic, but when I visit at Christmas, there's not a lot I can do to avoid it. I take Zyrtec, and it's worked really well for me - no drowsiness like some other drugs and prevents most of the catty symptoms (scratchy neck, sneezing, watery eyes, chest congestion). Don't know if that would work for you - if you want to try some without doling out at the pharmacy, I can give you some of mine. I am not a drug dealer, promise
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thanks. but believe me that's almost my browser homepage, together with eth wohnen, and woko bulletin board. i don't use homegate because there are just too many scams.
I agree with anowheels. In the short term you need to get allergy medication. Go see your doctor right way.

And I don't know why you think there are scams on Homegate. People pay money to put ads on there. So I don't think there are many at all on that site.

Sorry to hear you are having difficult time. I wish you good luck in finding a place soon.
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I really feel for you. It might help to know a bit more about you- in the hope somebody here might be able to help. Are you fe/male for instance?
Would you be prepared to help with occasional babysitting, etc, in exchange for your room or part 'payment'?

Why not discuss this with the family where you are currently staying? They may well have friends without pets who might be prepared to help - if they do the searching and give you a good reference, it might cut corners. If they are local people they might know 100s of people- they could advertise for you at the local shops (incl Migros and Coop and small retailers) - this won't be a risk as they could sift possible respondents. Are you religious at all? If your Church is represented in the area, perhaps you could go and see the Vicar/Imam, whoever- and ask for advice and support- and to ask if they could make enquiries with the community. Ask your professors, assistants, administrative staff, etc. And put an advert here on EF- in the accommodation section. Good luck. (I live on the other side of the country and have a dog and a cat, so not much use to you, sorry).
Great ideas!!
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Hey there, I would offer you my living room until you have a place to crash, but I have pets as well. However, I might have a solution for you. I live in Olten, which is only about 30min away from Zurich by train. There are plenty of available apartments as well as some studios. Also, you're not very likely to get disciminated against in terms of apartment applications (at least I wouldn't think so)....here is a link to some available apartments/rooms. Also, I could also help you out with some basic stuff to get you started (bed, dishes etc.)

http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...12&wl=1&lng=de
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All I'm asking for is someone could see I am suffering, and put aside his/her "regular" judgment system for once, turn down some desirable Swiss who will get another offer easily, and accept me... Apparently that's only gonna happen in a fairytale. My suffering has to go on.
Ok, I lived in a WG for ten years and it was one of those places that got dozens of applicants as soon as the ad went up. For a time, we applied exactly that policy - pick someone who might find it hard to get a place elsewhere, but we regretted it both the times that we did. In a WG, you live on top of each other, small issues can become monumental dramas and the less you have in common, the bigger the drama. The assumption usually being that coming from a different country equals less in common. One friend of mine will never again have an Asian flatmate because the one she did have was a hardcore cook, Asian style, and there is only so much belachan you can make in a Swiss kitchen before the entire house stinks of the stuff. So maybe if you emphasise that you are not going to start a catering business in the kitchen, that would help.

I also agree with the idea of the family you live with giving you a reference, I certainly know that I will no longer trust what someone writes on a flat application or tells me before he has the flat - housing is so scarce in Zurich that people really do lie and cheat to get a place. I speak from experience...

How much German do you speak? Because there is this project called "Wohnen für Hilfe" where older people, who often live in big, mostly empty apartments, let out a room to students in exchange for the student helping them. I guess the amount of help varies and it depends on how you feel about living with an older person but if you are the quiet type who is really focussed on studying, it could be an option.

You could also consider the areas in Wallisellen, Glattbrugg, Opfikon, Rümlang or Kloten - absolutely everyone wants to live bang in the middle of town, for as little as possible, so even as the "perfect Swiss roommate" (if there is such a thing), you hunt for quite some time, I think I looked at a dozen places before finding where I used to live, despite being tidy, non-smoking, up for helping to cook and all those things that are usually put in the ads for flatmates... The areas I suggested have the advantage of being tied to the tram network (unlike, say, Adliswil), with number 10 taking you to ETH Zentrum in under half an hour. Or, if it's Hönggerberg you are headed to, then you get off the ten at Bahnhof Oerlikon and get on the bus number 80. If you are in Hönggerberg, then anywhere with a direct train to Bahnhof Oerlikon is a good bet, since you can get the bus up to the hill from there. Here are some rooms that are up for rent where there may not be quite so many applicants. Although I really hope the 9 square metre one is a joke...
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In the short-term, have you tried any allergy medicines? My mom has a cat and I'm completely allergic, but when I visit at Christmas, there's not a lot I can do to avoid it. I take Zyrtec, and it's worked really well for me - no drowsiness like some other drugs and prevents most of the catty symptoms (scratchy neck, sneezing, watery eyes, chest congestion). Don't know if that would work for you - if you want to try some without doling out at the pharmacy, I can give you some of mine. I am not a drug dealer, promise
Thanks. At the moment I have it under control by being away most of the time. But in case I really need it, I'll come to you

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Hey there, I would offer you my living room until you have a place to crash, but I have pets as well. However, I might have a solution for you. I live in Olten, which is only about 30min away from Zurich by train. There are plenty of available apartments as well as some studios. Also, you're not very likely to get disciminated against in terms of apartment applications (at least I wouldn't think so)....here is a link to some available apartments/rooms. Also, I could also help you out with some basic stuff to get you started (bed, dishes etc.)

http://www.immoscout24.ch/IS24Web/_V...12&wl=1&lng=de
Thank you very much. I'll take a look at those ads. But you said I would have better chance with apartments, which I think is actually the opposite, as very often agencies simply ignore me with no reply at all. I assume only really credible person can have luck with rental agencies.

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Ok, I lived in a WG for ten years and it was one of those places that got dozens of applicants as soon as the ad went up. For a time, we applied exactly that policy - pick someone who might find it hard to get a place elsewhere, but we regretted it both the times that we did. In a WG, you live on top of each other, small issues can become monumental dramas and the less you have in common, the bigger the drama. The assumption usually being that coming from a different country equals less in common. One friend of mine will never again have an Asian flatmate because the one she did have was a hardcore cook, Asian style, and there is only so much belachan you can make in a Swiss kitchen before the entire house stinks of the stuff. So maybe if you emphasise that you are not going to start a catering business in the kitchen, that would help.

I also agree with the idea of the family you live with giving you a reference, I certainly know that I will no longer trust what someone writes on a flat application or tells me before he has the flat - housing is so scarce in Zurich that people really do lie and cheat to get a place. I speak from experience...

How much German do you speak? Because there is this project called "Wohnen für Hilfe" where older people, who often live in big, mostly empty apartments, let out a room to students in exchange for the student helping them. I guess the amount of help varies and it depends on how you feel about living with an older person but if you are the quiet type who is really focussed on studying, it could be an option.

You could also consider the areas in Wallisellen, Glattbrugg, Opfikon, Rümlang or Kloten - absolutely everyone wants to live bang in the middle of town, for as little as possible, so even as the "perfect Swiss roommate" (if there is such a thing), you hunt for quite some time, I think I looked at a dozen places before finding where I used to live, despite being tidy, non-smoking, up for helping to cook and all those things that are usually put in the ads for flatmates... The areas I suggested have the advantage of being tied to the tram network (unlike, say, Adliswil), with number 10 taking you to ETH Zentrum in under half an hour. Or, if it's Hönggerberg you are headed to, then you get off the ten at Bahnhof Oerlikon and get on the bus number 80. If you are in Hönggerberg, then anywhere with a direct train to Bahnhof Oerlikon is a good bet, since you can get the bus up to the hill from there. Here are some rooms that are up for rent where there may not be quite so many applicants. Although I really hope the 9 square metre one is a joke...
Thank you for taking your time to help me out. I agree with what you said. It is tricky to put different people to live in the same apartment. I also spent a year in a WG with 3 other students, all from differernt countries. WOKO deliberately put students from different countries in one apartment. This is good and bad. The good is it really teaches you to respect different cultures. The bad is you may build up some prejudice or stereotypes if there are some not so pleasant experience. It's more up to the individual how one deals with it. It's true most people found Aisans cooking style quite disturbing (sometimes even I would think so too), although I am one of the exceptions who almost never have the time to cook at all. And I do say this if people ask me.
I am not upset by being rejected by WGs, but by the landlord of the studio apartment. I completely cannot follow her thinking, except for coming to the conclusion that she simply dislikes me for whatever reason.
I don't speak much German, at about B1 level, but not Swiss German. Maybe I should give the live for help program a try.
And thanks for the link. I'll take a look.

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