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Hello,
I am new in the forum, and almost new in Zuirch ( I've been here for 3 months now). I am still struggling with finding an apartment and would really appreciate if I can get some advice here.

After an intensive search and several rejections or ignorance of my apartment application, I finally found 2 different and expensive ones ( are all the apartments expensive in Zurich city?) and should make a decision very soon: I can either choose between a small (45 m2, for my husband and I), fully furnished one in kreise 1 ,not far from the kunsthaus, but costs 4000ch/month and we renew the contract each month, or in Klusplatz, 85m2, for 3000ch/month, a minimum of one year-contract, but not furnished, so I need to get the furniture, internet,everything... If we are still not sure if we are staying for more than a year or two... which one you think is better (area, cost , contract wise etc). Thank you very much!
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are all the apartments expensive in Zurich city?
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Welcome to the Forum, and the ever increasingly expensive Switzerland.

As a guide,
2,000chf/month is a starting price for city centre, but it's a cat fight.

2,000chf/month outside the city (10min by train) is much easier, and if you and your hubby don't party your arse off, then I'd consider this (also for nicer places to live)


As a rule, it is said not to spend more than 25% to 33% of your 'after tax' income on rent. Zurich is expensive enough as is.
Obviously I won't ask what you earn - that's just stupidly rude, but you know what you make, so please consider this.
(Landlords ask, and they will discriminate against you if they feel their income maybe threatened).

If the 3,000/month place at Klusplatz is OK, go find yourself the Brockie and deck your pad out in some basics (or Ikea) and improve the place with time.

The monthly renewal place at 4K is just wrong.


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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Hi, Don't be too disheartened looking for an apartment. We took 4 months before we found our apartment.

If it's helpful, the apartment we're in is a 3 bedroom in Kreis 4 for CHF 2500. So there are cheaper ones out there...

Also, my German teacher who's from Basel told me about this agency. They will find you an apartment, you just have to pay them a 'finder's fee' which could be equal to the first month's rent. He spoke very highly of them so you might want to give them a try.

Good luck!
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Hi, something important for you to check out wherever you are renting is Washing facilities for laundry. Some places give you a set time each week, others are a free for all. Problem could arise if set time and that is the time you are working. It is fairly normal in Switzerland to have a separate communial room for the laundry, rather than have a washing machine in your own apartment. Many apartments refuse to allow you to have a washing machine in your apartment.

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Re: Choosing an Apartment

If I had to choose among those two offers you are talking about I'd go for the 85 square meters for 3K/month.

The other one, in my opinion is not worht. really expensive, even for town center. Klusplatz is also quite close to town center, I don't think you'll miss anything...unless you are kind of person who likes to be in 20" everywhere.
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Finding an apartment can be very tricky. I am not an expert but the monthly renewal sounds very tricky. I have a coworker who left her apartment after 4 months because it was too noisy (city center), you might want to think about that too. Also, you might have already noticed that public transportation is fantastic and you don't need to live in the city center to spend time there. Good luck!
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

the 4k one sounds tiny for 2 people. Unless you and hubby are still madly in lust and like falling over each over, I'd keep looking.

there is a housing section on the EF..here's a link to an advert posted today http://www.englishforum.ch/adverts-p...egotiable.html

(NB I have no connection to that advert...it just popped up in the list of latest posts)
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Thank you for the reply, really appreciated! I haven't found anything for 2000ch yet, but you are right 4000 is stupid, especially that it is more than half the salary, but I just thought that adding furniture, electricity, water, internet will end up the same...but I guess I will keep searching more, I didn't know it will take that long! Thanks

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Now,
Welcome to the Forum, and the ever increasingly expensive Switzerland.

As a guide,
2,000chf/month is a starting price for city centre, but it's a cat fight.

2,000chf/month outside the city (10min by train) is much easier, and if you and your hubby don't party your arse off, then I'd consider this (also for nicer places to live)


As a rule, it is said not to spend more than 25% to 33% of your 'after tax' income on rent. Zurich is expensive enough as is.
Obviously I won't ask what you earn - that's just stupidly rude, but you know what you make, so please consider this.
(Landlords ask, and they will discriminate against you if they feel their income maybe threatened).

If the 3,000/month place at Klusplatz is OK, go find yourself the Brockie and deck your pad out in some basics (or Ikea) and improve the place with time.

The monthly renewal place at 4K is just wrong.


The SEARCH function at the top right is also ever so helpful
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

So true it is small, I just love the area! I emailed the company of the link you sent me.. crossing fingers.. thanks

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the 4k one sounds tiny for 2 people. Unless you and hubby are still madly in lust and like falling over each over, I'd keep looking.

there is a housing section on the EF..here's a link to an advert posted today http://www.englishforum.ch/adverts-p...egotiable.html

(NB I have no connection to that advert...it just popped up in the list of latest posts)
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Lets look at it logicially:

1) are you here for contract or permanent? If you are permanent, then I would suggest you go for more comfortable living arrangement especially there are 2 of you. That small amount of space is going to get on both your nerve sooner rather than later

2) Getting your application in: It is not an easy job to start with, there were one apartment that I turn up for viewing and there are 60 people milling outside all wanting it. So the preference will be to Swiss/C permit/B permit/L permit and I think who your employer is also have some bearing whether you get it or not.

3) Getting around is not too bad, so from the work place, use that as a starting point and look for apartment that is like 15/20 away by bus/train.. outside of K1/K3/K4, rent will start to get cheaper and places bigger. I live like 5 min train away from HB and it is not a problem if I want to be out for a night on town, I can get home easily.

4) My experience show that if you can get on the new build apartments, the chances of getting one is much easier. The agent has a few to sell and as you are first in line, as long as you get your paperwork/references in line, you get your apartment. I got mine within 5 days of application. Also try to get a feel with the agent, are they friendly, are they helpful, speak english etc?

5) Furniture and fittings: There are a lot of turn over in the expat community, just keep an eye on the forum here and you can pick up quite a few items at good price. Especially if you are not into like "Designer of the month" home. Get basic going, then you can always put more touches to it.

I think there are still some going in my block, PM if you like a chat about it. Good luck!
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Thank you everyone for the help. I guess I should keep looking! It is frustrating because I need to finish with the apartment to start searching for a job, I don't want to stay undecided and jobless more than that
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Hello,
I am new in the forum, and almost new in Zuirch ( I've been here for 3 months now). I am still struggling with finding an apartment and would really appreciate if I can get some advice here.

After an intensive search and several rejections or ignorance of my apartment application, I finally found 2 different and expensive ones ( are all the apartments expensive in Zurich city?) and should make a decision very soon: I can either choose between a small (45 m2, for my husband and I), fully furnished one in kreise 1 ,not far from the kunsthaus, but costs 4000ch/month and we renew the contract each month, or in Klusplatz, 85m2, for 3000ch/month, a minimum of one year-contract, but not furnished, so I need to get the furniture, internet,everything... If we are still not sure if we are staying for more than a year or two... which one you think is better (area, cost , contract wise etc). Thank you very much!
Welcome to the forum Diala.

Finding an apartment which is reasonable in the city is like finding gold dust.
Personally, I will never stay in a 45m2 apartment for 2 people. The location is fantastic - right smack in the middle of everything but I find it overrated. Zurich city is very accessible with all the trams etc - regardless of whether you are living in Kreis 4 or 11, you can get into the HB within 20 minutes max.

The area of Klusplatz is lovely - 3000 CHF sounds about right - you can go even lower but competition will be stiff.

We went for a fully furnished apartment when we first arrived with a one year contract, with the option to renew after as we didnt know what our plans were and didnt want to commit to buying furniture/long term contract. Why not check out this website: www.ums.ch?

A month's rent is payable if you are successful in getting the apartment but this is a great site where owners going on long holidays rent out their homes fully furnished, for a specific amount of time - most of them are negotiable. Once you are more certain about your plans, then look on homegate.ch for a more permanent abode.

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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Thanks for the help and the information You are right 45m2 is small and overpriced. I found a furnished one too in seefeld that is 80m2 but also overpriced 4200. The thing is if I get a 3000 I don't think I will be saving anything ( since I have to buy furniture, internet, phone, cable etc)...
Thanks for the link, I will check it in details and hopefully will find something...
Thanks again!

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Welcome to the forum Diala.

Finding an apartment which is reasonable in the city is like finding gold dust.
Personally, I will never stay in a 45m2 apartment for 2 people. The location is fantastic - right smack in the middle of everything but I find it overrated. Zurich city is very accessible with all the trams etc - regardless of whether you are living in Kreis 4 or 11, you can get into the HB within 20 minutes max.

The area of Klusplatz is lovely - 3000 CHF sounds about right - you can go even lower but competition will be stiff.

We went for a fully furnished apartment when we first arrived with a one year contract, with the option to renew after as we didnt know what our plans were and didnt want to commit to buying furniture/long term contract. Why not check out this website: www.ums.ch?

A month's rent is payable if you are successful in getting the apartment but this is a great site where owners going on long holidays rent out their homes fully furnished, for a specific amount of time - most of them are negotiable. Once you are more certain about your plans, then look on homegate.ch for a more permanent abode.

Good luck.
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Lets look at it logicially:

1) are you here for contract or permanent? If you are permanent, then I would suggest you go for more comfortable living arrangement especially there are 2 of you. That small amount of space is going to get on both your nerve sooner rather than later

2) Getting your application in: It is not an easy job to start with, there were one apartment that I turn up for viewing and there are 60 people milling outside all wanting it. So the preference will be to Swiss/C permit/B permit/L permit and I think who your employer is also have some bearing whether you get it or not.

3) Getting around is not too bad, so from the work place, use that as a starting point and look for apartment that is like 15/20 away by bus/train.. outside of K1/K3/K4, rent will start to get cheaper and places bigger. I live like 5 min train away from HB and it is not a problem if I want to be out for a night on town, I can get home easily.

4) My experience show that if you can get on the new build apartments, the chances of getting one is much easier. The agent has a few to sell and as you are first in line, as long as you get your paperwork/references in line, you get your apartment. I got mine within 5 days of application. Also try to get a feel with the agent, are they friendly, are they helpful, speak english etc?

5) Furniture and fittings: There are a lot of turn over in the expat community, just keep an eye on the forum here and you can pick up quite a few items at good price. Especially if you are not into like "Designer of the month" home. Get basic going, then you can always put more touches to it.

I think there are still some going in my block, PM if you like a chat about it. Good luck!
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Ok, prices in Zurich have officially gone bonkers. 4k for 45 m2? I don't care if that was in HB itself, it's too dear. Just for a reality check per square metre - that's almost CHF 100 per m2. There are apartments in that beautiful building at Bellevue (the one where "Terasse" has the ground floor), the rent there is 22k per month but you get a whopping 380m2 for your money, so it's actually cheaper than the Kunsthaus one if you go by square metres.

Just in case you were still tempted, don't give in to these greedy rental sharks, they need to start being left with empty places. Not going to happen as some sucker will always think it's perfectly normal but don't let that sucker be you.

If you look in 8001, 8006, 8008 and 8032, it's going to be expensive, EVERYONE wants to live there, especially the status obsessed and those who want to appear to have status. Next down on the list are 8004 and 8005, it's become "hip" to live in what was the working class area of the town, right in the middle of all the bars and new shops. 8002, 8003, 8038 and 8049 are a bit pick an mix, there seem to be mostly banks and other businesses in 8002; 8003, 8038 and 8049 are nice areas but you still are looking at 2000 for three rooms an 2500 for four, at least. Then there is Oerlikon, Affoltern and Altstetten, many hard core inner city people turn up their noses at these areas but there are a lot of nice new builds and for much more reasonable prices. Even if you factor in a 50 franc cab ride home every weekend, you'd still be saving money if you decided to live a bit further out. And in these areas, you may even, gasp, be able to rent a parking space to go with your place!
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Re: Choosing an Apartment

Shame you cant hold out a little longer, or if you can, do!

The banks will soon lay off hundreds of people, possibly thousands, and there will be lots of places available at competitive rates.
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