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Old 06.09.2006, 20:08
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Not sure there are any 'bad' areas in Zurich well not bad in UK terms anyway (I am probably going to be pulled up on this and told of loads of places).

We live in Seebach and spent the first 6 weeks or so in nearby Oerlikon, everyone we spoke to turned their noses up at us living here, said it was a back water place, no life, full of immigrants (typical racist comment we heard from a lot of Swiss about living here) but as far as we are concerned its fine, my parents recently visited and we went for a drink in Oerlikon, I told them that this area was generally classed as a bad area, they were amazed, they said if this is a bad area they can't imagine how amazing the good areas are!!

Basically what I am trying to say is that I am not sure you can end up in a truely bad area like in the UK but you can probably end up in some really expensive nice areas - to me the beauty of Zurich is that it doesn't matter where you'll live as everywhere seems safe and clean (even in the so called 'bad' areas)

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My husband grew up in the Bern/Solothurn area, so doesn't have a lot of familiarity with Zurich. Plus he's been gone from Switzerland for the past 10 years. Now it looks like he'll be getting a position in the Zurich area (currently looks like Opfikon). Initially he'll be renting a studio flat or possibly a flat share until we can get the whole family move organised (house sold etc.).

I am assuming that with Zurich, as with most (all?) cities, there are areas that are best avoided in terms of crime/drugs/safety. Are there any particular areas that we should be aware of when he's looking for a place? He has one friend who lives in Zurich, but he hasn't heard back from him yet on this, and besides, I always think it's a good idea to get input from multiple people on questions like this. Said friend lives in central Zurich near the train station and works on the opposite side of the city so not sure how much help he could be on this anyway, if that's where my husband does end up with a position.

Thanks for any input you might have.
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Nicky - nice to get a post from someone who understands my concerns, coming from the UK. With a small child, our definition of "acceptable" in terms of safety altered a bit from when we only had ourselves and the dogs to think about, and the UK has posed quite a challenge for us in terms of finding areas that combine affordability and safety.

I've been looking at things online and a few of the options I've found are in your area, so it's nice to have that specific feedback. Is it feasible for biking to Opfikon? He used to bike 12 miles to school every day so distance doesn't matter to him as much as rider safety - the main reason he never tried biking to work when we lived in London .
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Old 06.09.2006, 20:31
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Yeah i would say you could bike to Opfikon from here, my husband used to work near by in Glattbrugg and he walked every morning, only took him 15 mins

When I lived in Oerlikon briefly i used to be amazed seeing kindergarten kids of about 4 - 5 years old walking home on their own, this would never happen in the UK, i was actually shocked seeing it at first and thought maybe they're lost!! then I realised we were in Switzerland


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Nicky - nice to get a post from someone who understands my concerns, coming from the UK. With a small child, our definition of "acceptable" in terms of safety altered a bit from when we only had ourselves and the dogs to think about, and the UK has posed quite a challenge for us in terms of finding areas that combine affordability and safety.

I've been looking at things online and a few of the options I've found are in your area, so it's nice to have that specific feedback. Is it feasible for biking to Opfikon? He used to bike 12 miles to school every day so distance doesn't matter to him as much as rider safety - the main reason he never tried biking to work when we lived in London .
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When I lived in Oerlikon briefly i used to be amazed seeing kindergarten kids of about 4 - 5 years old walking home on their own, this would never happen in the UK, i was actually shocked seeing it at first and thought maybe they're lost!! then I realised we were in Switzerland
I had the same reaction the first time I saw that. I am trying to prepare myself mentally for that, because my maternal instincts have been programmed by life in the US and the UK never to let my child out of my sight and certainly not at such a young age. My husband explained that it's almost frowned upon for a parent to walk their child to school because it's viewed as teaching the child independence and self-reliance.
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I had the same reaction the first time I saw that. I am trying to prepare myself mentally for that, because my maternal instincts have been programmed by life in the US and the UK never to let my child out of my sight and certainly not at such a young age. My husband explained that it's almost frowned upon for a parent to walk their child to school because it's viewed as teaching the child independence and self-reliance.
I'm not a parent and even i thought that but I think its great, it reminds me of being a kid in the 80's in the UK and being able to walk places on my own and not have to worry - I think its a shame kids can't have any independance these days in the UK or other countries, I would love to bring kids up here...
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

There are no such places in Zurich HONESTLY! Sure you will find crazy people here and there but there are no rough areas like in English cities. I used to work in Kensington and the amount of muggings I witnessed on the Hammersmith road were shocking (a non rough area). Daylight robbing of occupants in expensive cars at traffic lights and traffic jams.

CH is really heaven when it comes to safety, don't let your guard down as dodgy things like rape in the train toilets have occured before. Mostly common sense stuff will keep you in good shape.
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Old 06.09.2006, 23:12
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

It really depends on how sensitive you are to rubbing shoulders with the Hoi-Polloi. I actually prefer to live near the 'red-light' district to the high-rent Seefeld area, because I see different coloured faces, shop in multi-culti stores and enjoy the rough with the smooth. I guess I'm in the minority

As for raising a family, I can't comment with personal experience but know a few people even in Kreis 4 and 5 (city quarters 4 and 5) who are quite happy for their kids to see the druggies, the pimps and the destitute as a balance to the Ferraris and expensive wives of the Bahnhofstrasse.

I grew up in a rough area of Liverpool but went to a decent school, and value the education learnt on the street above the Latin I learned at school! All the luxury here makes you soft if you have no comparison.

So where to live? Traditional dilemmas, really: cosmopolitan or rural? House or appartment? Where ever you settle, you'll find almost all neighbourhoods full of ammenities and good transport links. Also a good mix of the 'classes', for what they are here. It's a great place to live. Personally I'd be as close to the centre as possible, as I find the outer suburbs - the 'Ausser Sihl' (area beyond the river Sihl) - and the semi-rural areas deadly boring.
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Hello ,

I also agree with the others that Swiss in term of safety is the paradies compare to other countries. Kids can walk alone from school or you can walk alone late evening and nobody will stop you. But I think the area you should avoid like in any other country, is the area around main railway station(Hauptbahnof here). I would say like Langstrasse. It is hard to live there with kids, cause you see drug dealers, hookers and any other kind of "dirty" people. and the view is not so attractive there, dull and dirty.
Actually Zürich is full with nice areas, where you can find all activities you need. I wish you good luck in your search and enjoy your stay in Switzerland!
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

"Things you should be aware of when he is looking for a place". Not clear whether you are asking for help on the interim place or you future family residence.

As an interim place I would say, anywhere central that is either the right side of town or near an S-Bahn for work.

Opfikon is S7 or S5 I think and if you're working at UBS, you have the choice of Opfikon or Glattbrugg stations, so trains are easy.

Beyond that as already mentioned in other postings its a lifestyle decision, Langstrasse is indeed the red light district, and would be a fun , lively place to live alone even if your interests are not in that area :-)

Living alone anywhere in Switzerland is difficult, so I would stay close to the city centre if possible.

Like in choosing an airline, safety in Switzerland is a given, and generally falls lower down the list of desirables such as lake proximity (overrated in my opinion) and taxation (depends on your income level, but I wouldn't make that a primary consideration unless you're in the 200+ bracket)

The real decision for me : most people are either townies or country folk. You know which you are...
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My husband grew up in the Bern/Solothurn area, so doesn't have a lot of familiarity with Zurich. Plus he's been gone from Switzerland for the past 10 years. Now it looks like he'll be getting a position in the Zurich area (currently looks like Opfikon). Initially he'll be renting a studio flat or possibly a flat share until we can get the whole family move organised (house sold etc.).

I am assuming that with Zurich, as with most (all?) cities, there are areas that are best avoided in terms of crime/drugs/safety. Are there any particular areas that we should be aware of when he's looking for a place? He has one friend who lives in Zurich, but he hasn't heard back from him yet on this, and besides, I always think it's a good idea to get input from multiple people on questions like this. Said friend lives in central Zurich near the train station and works on the opposite side of the city so not sure how much help he could be on this anyway, if that's where my husband does end up with a position.

Thanks for any input you might have.
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Old 07.09.2006, 19:26
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Thanks all for the thoughts. It's always good to see things through several other people's points of view.

We have had some scary encounters in London - one on a bus with a drugged up person in my daughter's face in her pushchair. This was when my husband was with me because the busses were so bad I would walk miles rather than take them. Anyway, I'm sure the redlight district has lots of character, and I can see value for older children seeing the realities of that aspect of life/society, but for us, now that's not really what is right for our family. So good to know where that is and to plan accordingly.

Initially my husband will rent something like a studio or one bedroom, and once the house has sold and we've organized a move then the rest of us will join him and we'll start looking in earnest for a longer-term location for our family.

All this, provided that the process continues to move forward with the prospects he is pursuing.

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Old 07.09.2006, 20:40
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

As much as I despise the bland sameness of most suburban life and prefer the hustle-bustle of cities and diverse neighborhoods, I would caution against the Langstrasse in Zurich.

A good friend of ours was just released after a week in the hospital. He was walking down the Langstrasse in the evening, when a woman came up and started yelling at him and smacking on him. He ignored her, kept walking - only to have her boyfriend or pimp or whomever he was come running and beat him up. His jaw was broken, among other things.

My husband has a radio show a couple of times a month at Radio LoRa, which is in an alleyway around the Langstrasse, but in an OK block (right near the police station), but I am still rather hesitant if I go along and I don't drive - standing and waiting for the bus at 10 or 11 at night is a bit unsettling there!
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

Langstrasse from what I hear used to be LOT worse. They cleaned it up. I find Langstrasse very entertaining. I go there shopping for food but if you got little kids then I would not reccomend it as a place to live.
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Re: Areas to Avoid in Zurich (when looking for place to live)

We covered almost the identical topic already on this thread:

http://www.englishforum.ch/help-tips...place-rent.htm

Since this thread grew before I could point that out I'll have to link the above thread back to hear as well.

Actually I think I'll merge everything from the top (06.09.06) back into that thread.
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We covered almost the identical topic already on this thread:

http://www.englishforum.ch/help-tips...place-rent.htm

Since this thread grew before I could point that out I'll have to link the above thread back to hear as well.

Actually I think I'll merge everything from the top (06.09.06) back into that thread.
With respect, I do think the two threads have a different focus/emphasis, which is why I started a new thread, as the previous thread, which I have reviewed on a number of occasions, didn't seem to specifically address the concerns/questions I had.

I do appreciate everyone's insights - they've been very helpful!
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With respect, I do think the two threads have a different focus/emphasis, which is why I started a new thread, as the previous thread, which I have reviewed on a number of occasions, didn't seem to specifically address the concerns/questions I had.

I do appreciate everyone's insights - they've been very helpful!
It's ok to post a slightly different question on a related thread - in the end it makes it easier for people to locate the information later. "Which is the best area to rent in Zurich" is very close to "Which areas should I avoid in Zurich when looking for somewhere to live". Maintaining threads which have very similiar content can become confusing, especially if the conversations wander in the same direction.
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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

I read somewhere recently that Zollikon and Kuesnacht were voted best places to live in Switzerland ( zh area )...
Think that ran in Bilanz two months ago.
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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

I have lived in a couple of places in the city, and have experience of many others through friends, but nobody appears to have mentioned Altstetten.

I originally got my place here as it was convenient for my office, but for the last couple of years I've been working for someone else first in other cities, but currently in Oerlikon.
I find it very convenient for the city via Sbahn, tram or bus, but also have the option of an hourly regional Zug to get to work.
It has everything other parts of the city have in terms of shops, restarants, etc, indeed Letzipark is the largest shopping centre in Stadt Zürich.
Plus once you are a couple of blocks away from Badener Strasse, it is pretty quiet.
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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

Altstetten is a hideous place to live. I worked out of an office there for a couple of years. The chavs, the boy racers, the concrete, the seedy railway station, the flyover the depressing shopping centre, the busy roads that carve through it.

The have just concreted over the area in front of the railway station, making it less attractive than it was ...

It does have many trains that stop there including an hourly one direct to the airport.

Apart from that its OK ....


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I have lived in a couple of places in the city, and have experience of many others through friends, but nobody appears to have mentioned Altstetten.

I originally got my place here as it was convenient for my office, but for the last couple of years I've been working for someone else first in other cities, but currently in Oerlikon.
I find it very convenient for the city via Sbahn, tram or bus, but also have the option of an hourly regional Zug to get to work.
It has everything other parts of the city have in terms of shops, restarants, etc, indeed Letzipark is the largest shopping centre in Stadt Zürich.
Plus once you are a couple of blocks away from Badener Strasse, it is pretty quiet.
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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

I disagree completely, and if you only worked there, how can you judge?
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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

Easily. I don't need to leave my hand in the fire to know it burns. Spending 10-12hrs a day there including many evenings should suffice.
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