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Old 08.05.2007, 14:26
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Fergico - I'd recommend somewhere like Wipkingen; very popular with expats and well-connected to boot.
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Old 13.05.2007, 17:27
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

sorry, guys, but what means "university feel" about/in kreis 6? im living there, oberstrass, and i dont have that feel. i mean, universitätsspital is close. thats all. most folks that live here are more like 30+, families too.
i like it here very much. my flat has 2.5 rooms, balcony (small one) sunshine from 9am-8pm in summer, 75square metres, roughly 1800sfr all inclusive.

the area itself is nice, because a stonethrow away is the letten badi.
migros and coop are close for shopping, doctors of all kind around,
bank easy to reach, good place to eat out. 2tramstations to central station or central/niederdorf. 1bus stop to limmatplatz which extends places to have a drink, clubbing and places to eat pretty much. doesnt matter where you are in the centre, but you can mostly walk home at night or a cab ride wont leave you skint. and its very safe here.
4 tramlines are going to schaffhauser platz which makes getting to work, shopping and back home very easy.

the area around ottikerstrasse is one of my favourites in kreis 6, because it has very nice houses, similar to seefeld. weinbergstrasse area is also nice.
i like kreis 5 very much. but i dislike this "sugar? cola?" questionaire.
its a pain in the ass at night. same with kreis 4. but its very multicultural.
i dont know if its a good place for fams with younger kids?

a good summary is that what nicm got from his work mate.

i was looking for a place that is not much more then 5-10 minutes by tram from central station away. any other places, how nice, quiet and pro "low tax" they are... i gave a sh** about.
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Old 13.05.2007, 23:06
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sorry, guys, but what means "university feel" about/in kreis 6? im living there, oberstrass, and i dont have that feel. i mean, universitätsspital is close. thats all. <snip>
Don't panic, no-one's dissing your end of town Kreis 6 is quite broad, and I agree the north-east side - near the uni - could be a bit 'Uni' in feel. But you're living in the cool part
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

nono, missunderstanding. its not about cool end n stuff. i thought "did i miss anything yet?" because id like to have it more uni-style. sometimes its a bit too "grown up" over here...
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Mark

My wife(Swedish) and I(American) are coming to Zurich at the end of August to spend a month to look for a place to live. I will be retiring and we are going to see if one of the cities in Switzerland may be the place for us. My wife does not want to live in Sweden but we have grandchildren so want to live in Europe to be reasonbaly close to the family. You said taxes are higher inside the city. Does the city tax? I am used to federal and state taxes but city taxes? Currently we are paying $2600USD/mo for a 1400 sq ft 3 bedroom house with old kitchen and bath in moderate neighborhood in San Francisco. Can we expect to pay more, less the same for a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment in Zurich? I keep hearing how expensive things are in Switzerland and am trying to get a handle on housing costs. Thanks for any help.

P.S. My wife rides. Are there any stables near to Zurich?


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Old 21.05.2007, 08:35
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My wife(Swedish) and I(American) are coming to Zurich at the end of August to spend a month to look for a place to live. I will be retiring and we are going to see if one of the cities in Switzerland may be the place for us. My wife does not want to live in Sweden but we have grandchildren so want to live in Europe to be reasonbaly close to the family. You said taxes are higher inside the city. Does the city tax? I am used to federal and state taxes but city taxes? Currently we are paying $2600USD/mo for a 1400 sq ft 3 bedroom house with old kitchen and bath in moderate neighborhood in San Francisco. Can we expect to pay more, less the same for a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment in Zurich? I keep hearing how expensive things are in Switzerland and am trying to get a handle on housing costs. Thanks for any help.

P.S. My wife rides. Are there any stables near to Zurich?


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Hi Roy,

You're going to have to work in square meters to make any comparisons, and as you realise you can forget a house in the city of Zurich.

Yes, search these forums and google for tax rates. Every community has their own. There are federal taxes too but these are about 20% of the total tax bill. Homegate.ch is a property site for Switzerland and you can compare taxes on various communities there too. Also look for 'tax foot', the muliplier for tax calculation.

There may be tax advantages for you as far as capital gains and inheritance taxes too. The canton of Zurich (these are cantonal!) has no inheritance tax between generations. Canton Schwyz has none at all whoever you leave you money to.

Horse riding could be a problem in the town of Zurich, but not outside...
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

In Zürich area, as a rule of thumb, expect to pay about 25CHF/sqm/month rent inc Nebenkosten. Lots of variables here, but thats the figure with which I would estimate to live within 5km of centre.

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You're going to have to work in square meters to make any comparisons, and as you realise you can forget a house in the city of Zurich.

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Re: Which Zurich suburb is the best place to rent?

Hi there,

I have been in Switzerland for 2 months now, and have been working in Zürich for 1 month. At first I was staying miles away from Zürich and my commute was super far. I found a temporary studio apartment in Kreis 4 really quickly, literally 2 days and I was sorted!

Although Kreis 4 isn't the most 'upmarket' part of Zürich it does have character! I also reckon it's a really good introduction to the city! There is nothing like staying in the heart of Zürich!

At the moment I am in the market for a more permanent and bigger apartment... Same issues as others regarding choosing a convenient and vibey area, but what I really would like some info on is the normal rental deposit and lease terms in Switzerland. I have heard that you generally need to put down 3 months rent upfront? That's a lot for someone starting out! Anyone with any experience on what is the norm? Anything I should look out for specifically before signing a lease?

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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

I'm going to be working for Credit Suisse at their Uetlibergstrasse office. I would really value some guidance as to the best place to start looking for an apartment, as I have no idea of what is what and where is where in Zurich.

I understand that public transport is excellent in the city, so a commute would be fine. My agency has me temporarily booked into a serviced apartment in Kloten, but I'd like to try and get a bit closer than that!

The idea of finding somewhere in a lower cost area (accommodation and taxes!) is appealing. Ideally, I'd like a 2 bedroom place for when my family come to visit. I'd like to be near to some decent shops, but night life is not important to me. I've set a maximum budget of CHF2000. Do you think this is realistic?

Looking on Homegate, I see several properties which seem to fit this profile, but as I say I don't know whether they are in the back of beyond, or the thick of the night club zone! I've even seen some places advertised on Uetlibergstrasse itself, which sounds really handy. Anyone know what tax zone this would fall into?

Can you offer any advice on how you go about getting an apartment? I've read that it is really difficult, and all the more so for a non German speaker. Are there any short-cuts and tricks, or is it really just a case of being "lucky" or in the right place at the right time?

Finally, I hope to find a lively English-speaking church to attend some weekends. My home church in UK is Independent Evangelical. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Enge, Wollishofen are near your office and in nice locations next to the lake. All these little towns (with their own names) within zurich have the same formula of shops to buy food along with a post office bank branch etc. You're also a short trip from the centre of zurich. (I don't live there, but I would like to).

2000 Fr should be sufficient, but you may find it difficult to find availability. Best start a search early. It's also nice if you have the luxury of a place that you don't have to leave suddenly or give defined period of notice to leave (like your serviced apt?). Other surrounding areas should also meet your criteria though if you have a hard time.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

I live in Kloten and work at CS.
45 mins door to desk.

Living in the town is handy, but it's going to be 30 mins if you are at the other end of the tram 13 etc.

Church: http://www.standrewszurich.ch/

Near Stadelhofen.
I get my remembrance poppies there, but my clothes smoke and my head spins when I cross the holy threshold...
It's Anglican, more one size fits all for non-catholic expats...
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

I would be moving to Affoltern shortly...I was looking for some info on that part of the city..but didnt find anything on this forum so far. Anyone with any feedback on that place?.
Thanks a lot!
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Have been here a month now, and really enjoying it. (So far) I have travelled around the country a fair bit enjoying the beautiful scenery.
I am just about to move into my first proper rented apartment - I have been staying in the Swiss Star Apartments in Kloten since I arrived. Swiss Star is a serviced apartment, small furnished units - quite pricey, but a handy base from which to explore and find something more suitable.

To encourage anyone else who may be thinking of moving here. The accommodation market IS tough, but having said that, the place I am moving to is the first and only place I viewed. Maybe I was lucky! Maybe having a glowing reference from a Credit Suisse VP helped, but I am very happy with the process . I will actually be easy walking distance from work as well

Finally, you may recall that my original post was asking for advice about a church. Just in case anyone else is in this position, I can recommend the Regio Vineyard church which meets in Bülach (AM) and Hardbrüke (PM). It's not English speaking, but the pastor is an American and a good preacher. When he's there, he preaches in English with a translator. My experience has been that they allocate an individual translator to non-German-speakers so that you can understand the notices, prayers etc., which are not in English.

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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Hello, I am new to this thread but have been trying to follow the various conversations regarding where to live in Zurich. I apologize if my question is redundant with an earlier post.

I have been reading the forum with interest as I will be on a 4-6 month work assignment in Zug. My assignment will start in April 08 (Wanted to get the lay of the land earlier rather than later). My wife and 1 yr old son will be joining me. I would like to be near shops, restaurants and parks - not interested in nightclubs etc.

I will have a vehicle (as much for weekend/holiday travel as a potential commuter) which if worse comes to worse can be parked in my company parking lot if parking too difficult to access or find. For some context, I currently live in Southern California and my commute to and from work in traffic is about 45 minutes each way.

Can handle my current commute time of 45 min in Switzerland to insure my wife and child are in an enjoyable and pleasant area. I have driven frequently in Europe and am fine with driving but also not opposed to in utilizing the excellent public transportation.

For Zurich I am interested in:

Kreis 8 - Sounds like a nice quaint area close to the city center. However, my wife and I are both laid back and friendly and not interested in snobby people. More importantly, I am trying to figure out the commute. How's traffic at 6:30-7:00 AM and long would it take drive to Zug? I figure if I took the train from Stadlelhofen it would take about 40mins each way.

Kreis 1 - Probably a long shot - I'm guessing parking impossible but if near Zurich HB might work - Limited selection of apartments etc. Any thoughts?

Kreis 2 - Would probably try to be close to the lake and more North than South. How would commute be to Zug living in Kreis 2 vs 8?

I am open to other areas such at Kreis 7 but that seems like it might be really a difficult commute?

Thank you for any advice of suggestions you can provide.
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Hello, I am new to this thread but have been trying to follow the various conversations regarding where to live in Zurich. I apologize if my question is redundant with an earlier post.

I have been reading the forum with interest as I will be on a 4-6 month work assignment in Zug. My assignment will start in April 08 (Wanted to get the lay of the land earlier rather than later). My wife and 1 yr old son will be joining me. I would like to be near shops, restaurants and parks - not interested in nightclubs etc.

I will have a vehicle (as much for weekend/holiday travel as a potential commuter) which if worse comes to worse can be parked in my company parking lot if parking too difficult to access or find. For some context, I currently live in Southern California and my commute to and from work in traffic is about 45 minutes each way.

Can handle my current commute time of 45 min in Switzerland to insure my wife and child are in an enjoyable and pleasant area. I have driven frequently in Europe and am fine with driving but also not opposed to in utilizing the excellent public transportation.

For Zurich I am interested in:

Kreis 8 - Sounds like a nice quaint area close to the city center. However, my wife and I are both laid back and friendly and not interested in snobby people. More importantly, I am trying to figure out the commute. How's traffic at 6:30-7:00 AM and long would it take drive to Zug? I figure if I took the train from Stadlelhofen it would take about 40mins each way.

Kreis 1 - Probably a long shot - I'm guessing parking impossible but if near Zurich HB might work - Limited selection of apartments etc. Any thoughts?

Kreis 2 - Would probably try to be close to the lake and more North than South. How would commute be to Zug living in Kreis 2 vs 8?

I am open to other areas such at Kreis 7 but that seems like it might be really a difficult commute?

Thank you for any advice of suggestions you can provide.
Had you thought about finding a place to live actually in Zug itself? Many folks who work in Zurich seek out accommodation in Zug because it is cheaper and the taxes are cheaper. I've not been here long enough to advise you on the commutes you mention, but I cannot commend highly enough the excellent public transport. At peak times of the day, they run extra carriages on the trains to cope with the volume. I rarely had to stand.

The SBB website http://sbb.ch/en/index.htm is an excellent source of information on how long a journey will take. Trains are sometimes delayed, but this is very much the exception to the rule, in my experience.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Just thinking... Why not just live in Zug? It has all that you say you need, low taxes and a beautiful lake. Perhaps you think it's rural, but it's bigger than you think and fairly diverse for a Swiss town. Look into it and see what you think.

Unless you plan to spend a lot of evenings in Zurich city, you would have to justify the long daily commute.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

I love living between Klusplatz and Hegibachplatz. The location is fantastic, only a 15 minute walk to the lake, 15 minute walk to the Neiderdorf or Bellevue. It's quiet, cheaper than Seefeld and there are some good restaurants, several grocery stores and a couple of schools. Within a 2 minute walk there are 4 tram lines, 3 buses and an S-bahn. It takes about 5 minutes to get to Stadelhofen and from there you can get anywhere. A 15 minute walk in the opposite direction from the lake takes you to a bunch of walking/mountain biking trails.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Well some of the friendliest people I've ever met in Zurich live on Seefeldstrasse - albeit further down, more towards Hoschgasse-Wildbachstrasse side.

For commuting times - check: http://www.zvv.ch

It's the local public transport page for Zurich and if you have an address or a stop, you can just enter it to see how long the commute takes.

Enge is nice as is Kreis 7 for families. A friend I knew who has two kids, specifically wanted to live in the (nr bellevue) so that when they do go out, they're never far away from the kids. It's another way of looking at things
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

Thank you all for your input. I was thinking Zurich vs Zug because my wife grew up in Chicago and might get a little stir crazy in Zug (seems nice but small). Also, Lucerne could be an option.

I will be visiting Zurich in October and will spend some time walking around and getting a feel for the neighborhoods you have all graciously suggested. I will also test the commute and public transport.
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Re: Best place to live in Zurich city?

The public transport really is amazing so it's almost always better to go with where you would really like to live rather than what might be 15 minutes closer to work. My only complaint actually is that the trams leave a minute early sometimes causing me to miss the connection.

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Thank you all for your input. I was thinking Zurich vs Zug because my wife grew up in Chicago and might get a little stir crazy in Zug (seems nice but small). Also, Lucerne could be an option.

I will be visiting Zurich in October and will spend some time walking around and getting a feel for the neighborhoods you have all graciously suggested. I will also test the commute and public transport.
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